Wow. This is appalling. Jeremy Peters of the NYT just told MSNBC caravan fear is sweeping the nation

[NewsCenter28]

WTF? He said that every voter he talked to in recent weeks, with the exception of 2-3, in MN, IA. MI, WI, Etc., is terrified about the caravan and absolutely zeroed in on this issue. I thought most voters saw it for what it was, a distraction?: He also said this caravan was resonating far more than the border wall ever did. What is he smoking???

[MoonRiver]

1. That's ridiculous.

[NewsCenter28]

3. Get this-the anchor just said that the dems 7 point lead

Is a 'slight' lead! Huh? Since when is 7 slight??

[MoonRiver]

8. Yeah, I heard that earlier too.

Can't wait until this is over and we, at the least, have the House.

[a kennedy]

15. Ditto.......

Not even ANYTHING political until,......well ok, I’ll watch Rachel tomorrow....BUT NO OTHER political show until Tues night.

[SCantiGOP]

19. Because of gerrymandering,

Dems have to win nationwide by 4.5 to 5.5% more votes than Rs to win Congress. These numbers come from analyses of past elections.
In 2016, all Dem candidates for the US House won about 3% more votes than all the Repubs, yet Rs easily kept control of the House.
So, a 7% lead may actually be a 1.5% lead and that is within margin of error.

As another example of how much the system is skewed: because of the lack of One Person One Vote for Senate elections, the 49 Senators who votes against Kavanaugh represent 33 million more people than the Rs who voted for him.

Short term solution - win Governor and State Legislatuve so that we control the process.
Long term solution - amend the Constitution to get rid of the Electoral College and the ridiculous process that gives 1/2 million people in Wyoming the same number of Senators as the 40 million in California.

[edhopper]

22. I have said that several times here

and I get pushback for being a "downer".

There is no level playing field.

[Arkansas Granny]

23. Exactly. We were discussing this very thing yesterday.

We have to start winning at the local and state level to enact change.

[pangaia]

55. repubs figured that out in 1980 or before and have been quietly filling all those

local seats with their own spawn..

We now see the results..
Good game plan...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

24. The Repugs have managed to "steal" the presidency every year since Gore vs. Bush except for

Obama. So What is to prevent them from stealing other races?

[CrispyQ]

2. Then all he talked to were right wing nut jobs, or like you suggested, he's smoking something.

Sane, reasonable people, of which I still think we are a majority, don't believe this bullshit & are ashamed by it.

[NewsCenter28]

6. And Trump's approval rating drop

Tends to belie what Peters is spewing.

[uponit7771]

14. +1, he wasn't in Orange County or Olathe KS asking about a caravan he was in Trump country

[brush]

4. It's bullshit. I live in Vegas and just came back from Tucson, 60 miles from the border.

Didn't encounter anyone talking about it, not even the local news reports.

[Wellstone ruled]

20. Thanks neighbor.

Have a friend in Tucson at this time helping with family Farming operation. Know one is talking about the folks coming north other than concerns about their health and safety .

Other than the Sheldon Adelson owned Journal Revue Newspaper,no one other than the Tea Party is yelling. Most folks are concerned with the Militia Idiots heading South .

[brush]

38. Oh, Hey neighbor. I don't know what the NYT is trying to do with all these repug-favoring articles.

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Wait, I take that back. There is a right-leaning faction at the Times. Has been from before even the Judith Miller days.

By the way, I find the Tucson climate and Las Vegas' pretty similar. Phoenix on the other hand is hotter than both.

[Wellstone ruled]

43. And Micheal Schmidt,Maggie

Habberman,to the list. Yes the Times has a long list of Right Wing Writers in their stable. Do recall this paper doing the same crap against Clinton at the same time two years ago. All about the Comey letter that changed the whole Election. Same Writers,just two years down the road.

[manor321]

5. Don't underestimate conservative media

Did you not see what happened in the 2000 elections, or the 2004 elections or the 2016 elections?

The NYT and WashPo have been SATURATING their own coverage with caravan nonsense. The country is DROWNING in conservative bullshit every single day and those people actually go vote.

Meanwhile the people we protect don't show up.

Hopefully Tuesday will be different but don't be shocked if there are surprises.

[NewsCenter28]

7. True

I had always thought Peters was a good guy, not a Trump toadie.

[redstateblues]

10. Not really. One of his main themes is that we are evenly divided. Since when is 35/65 or 40/60 even?

[ret5hd]

9. Interviewing people in "hipster coffee houses" I bet.

[asiliveandbreathe]

11. Jeremy Peters is a RWNJ - been on my radar for a while - perhaps they would like to

show pictures of the families - comment #2 - at link....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211358570

[MineralMan]

12. Nah. He's not speaking the truth, I think.

Either that or he is talking only to people who think that way. Either way, it's bullshit.

[kimbutgar]

13. The caravan story will be off the news the day after the election just like the faux Ebola story

In 2014.

And you’re pretty stupid to be concerned about people 1000 miles away when the repuke party wants to take away your medical care and social security. You are a dumb f to fall for that.

[uponit7771]

16. National level polling says Healthcare and Trump are 1 and 2 not stupid caravan

[Me.]

17. I Take Everything He Says With A Grain Of Salt

Has an inclination towards the dramatic

[beachbum bob]

18. Simply ridiculous statement.

[sinkingfeeling]

21. That's the result I've feared since IQ45 started this sh*t. Kiss

many of our flips goodbye.

[John Fante]

36. Your concern concerns me.

[Kaleva]

25. Peters must be only talking to people at Trump rallies

The only folks I know who've mentioned the caravans are Trump supporters.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

26. They were interviewing Trumpsters in Ft. Myers Fl and they were citing that as their reason for

supporting the Reps and Trump. I think people away from the borders are easily schnockered.

[samnsara]

27. actually...i have a dear friend in RI who is a proud I cuz the dems in RI are..

..corrupt (yeah, they are) and she is worried about the m... what ever gang that is... and stuff in the 'caravan'. Shes not even a trumper.. she was BS supporter...yet shes believing it!

[Glamrock]

28. .

[fescuerescue]

29. Government propaganda is amazingly effective

And it impacts those who deny it's effects the most.

Even those who absolutely identify it, know what it is, are impacted because they are working around it and most likely as a result, buying into the opposite propaganda.

What was he smoking? A: Mass Media.

[bdamomma]

30. these are

desperate measures taken by whoever supports the GOP, they are gasping for air. I tend to stay away from polls and bs stories like the caravan pure propaganda it is. Once I heard about the barbed wire I said that's it, we have to VOTE THEM OUT!

[Basement Beat]

31. I've yet to come across a person outside of political forums who've mentioned the damn "caravan".

[dalton99a]

32. .

[Skidmore]

33. Peters is a Trump fan.

He's on Morning Joe quite a bit. He's never been anything else. He and Jonathan Swan both.

[Grasswire2]

34. Let Peters have it on Twitter. Clog it up.

Don't let it go unanswered.

[Grasswire2]

35. who was the anchor on that hour? nt

[NewsCenter28]

41. Alex Whitt

Don't particularly trust her. And yeah, Jonathan Swann is an obvious asshole as well.

[John Fante]

37. Most see it as a phony made-up right-wing scandal.

Benghazi
IRS scandal
Fast and the Furious

The voters wringing their hands over the scary caravan are 99.9% right-wing assholes anyway.

Most Americans don't view poor migrants as a threat - hence the firestorm that erupted over Gump's family seperation policy. We're largely sympathic to their plight.

[stopbush]

39. Anecdotal bullshit coming from a single reporter who happens to be a tRump fan

Ridiculous.

[NewsCenter28]

42. I had no idea

He always seemed to tone it down on the 11th hour, which is where I always saw him before today.

I miss the old 2012-2013 MSNBC dayside. Full of right wing hacks now.

[Garrett78]

50. This is what his Wikipedia page says:

He covers the Republican Party and the conservative movement for The New York Times, and is the author of the forthcoming and tentatively titled "Insurgency: The Inside Story of the Battle for the Soul of the Republican Party." The book is scheduled to be published by Crown Publishing Group in 2019.[5]

[Snellius]

40. Only matters if anti-Trump voters believe it. Rest can go as crazy as they want.

Never heard of any Dems barricading their doors against the Walking Dead. Odd they are more afraid of impoverished, unarmed refugees thousand miles away than local proud boys who will try to kill them in their church. Who was Peters talking to? All wingnuts?

[Cha]

44. Jeremy Peters sounds like a Dangerous Asshole.

[Awsi Dooger]

45. Every newscast leads off with, "President Trump said today..."

That's the problem. His blatant lies are the feature attraction, no matter what network you're talking about.

I just drove 5300 miles in 16 days and listened to one network after another at the top of the hour. There is no variance whatsoever. The lead is always a description of a Trump lie, followed by a recording of Trump providing that lie.

This has been the default format for so long that the networks merely plug and play. They don't adapt to this president, or warn sufficiently -- if at all -- that the comment was a lie.

[Garrett78]

49. Bingo. While some do call out his lies...

...for the most part, Trump statements simply get reported. There are journalists who don't even think it's their duty to fact-check. The "we report, you decide" mantra is bullshit. There are far too many gullible or preoccupied people to rely on the general public to fact-check or think critically.

And this has been a problem for a long time. It didn't start with Trump, nor will it end with Trump.

Not all statements are equally valid opinions. Some statements are factual. Others are fiction (if intentional, they are lies). I think the beating of the "liberal media" drum for the last several decades has taken a toll. Media members are afraid to express a bias toward the Democratic position, which just so happens to coincide with reality. And then there's the consolidation of media ownership. Just a handful of giant corporations now own and operate the bulk of the media, which has become nothing more than an infotainment industry.

[silverweb]

46. Had an interesting conversation yesterday on this.

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Yesterday, I had to accompany a cable repair worker while he fixed a tenant's internet. He's 1st-generation American, born to Mexican immigrant field workers. He and his siblings achieved their parent's dream of a better life, all now well-educated taxpayers and homeowners.

Naturally, I assumed he'd be sympathetic towards recent deportees and those still trying to get here to apply for asylum. I was completely wrong. He said that the "caravan" is composed of mostly men who were fighting in the guerrilla wars of Central America and all they know is war. He said that they're coming here not to work, but to wage war on us so they can take what we have. He "saw them say so on TV." When I asked if it was Fox, he said he didn't remember because he watches everything but CNN.

No evidence to the contrary that I offered made any difference and what it finally came down to was this: "They are not Mexicans. They are not my people. They are not even my race. They are not like me and my family. They are bringing their wars here to take away from us what we have worked for."

I was going to bring up how the U.S. has done great damage to some democratic governments and economies in Central America, so WE are the reason for their desperation, but that would have been too much for him, I think. Anyway, his work was done and he was getting ready to leave. The best I could do was tell him to wait and see, that they're desperate people wanting to save their families, just like he would want to do in the same circumstances.

It still floors me how his fearful perspective as a son of Mexican immigrants is so similar to that of our white nationalist MAGAts.

[kairos12]

47. I live in ruby red Maricopa County and I don't hear anybody talking about it.

[Garrett78]

48. Is he only talking to rural whites who watch Faux Noise all day?

[RockRaven]

51. If "the nation" means "morons who watch cable news all day" then maybe it is true. Otherwise, NOPE.

These reporters and pundits live in a very strange bubble of their own invention.

[underpants]

52. $$$ ratings ad sales if there's anything near a horse race

That's why Trump is where he is. At least 50% of the reason.

[still_one]

53. Sounds to me like the NY Times is trying to attention. I say bullshit to Jeremy Peters. Just who

were these voters he talked with? Any details? Republicans, Democrats, Independents, racists, sexists, bigots?

[Mike Nelson]

54. No fear here...

… in California, and we're a very large part of the nation. We're used to living with people from South America, though... hopefully, more will come here, so Jeremy Peters' contacts can get to know some - they're really very nice!

[Maven]

56. Jeremy Peters is a Trumpist tool.

Don’t put stock in anything he says.

[McCamy Taylor]

57. WFT indeed. No one Wisconsin thinks the caravan will get that far north.

[blueinredohio]

58. I have a brother who lives in Arizona

My aunt who's a big Hannity fan called me and said "tell Sam he'd better be careful that caravan is coming across the border in Arizona." I said I don't think he's too worried. I've told her before she needs to stop listening to that horseshit.