Do you forgive Joe Manchin for the Kavanaugh vote if it kept him his Senate Seat?

[In It to Win It]

[2naSalit]

1. Is there a choice?

[Brainstormy]

2. no. n/t

[tinrobot]

3. I'm glad he won, but I don't forget.

No forgiveness.

[Brawndo]

4. No.

[onecaliberal]

5. No. He's a reliable Republican vote.

[jcgoldie]

13. Exactly

If you are voting with Trump on the most important and meaningful votes then whats the fucking difference?

[LisaL]

6. Why do you think he cares if I forgive him or not?

[Autumn]

7. It's not my place to forgive him. So I won't.

[SaschaHM]

8. I don't, but I'd take as many Joe Manchins as it takes to switch the make-up of the Senate.

I don't buy that the Kavanaugh vote saved him given his past and his standing in the state, but there is something about him (maybe it's ancestral Dems in WV) that has kept him around and I wish we had a few more of him while we try to recoup and flip purple seats that we lost in 2016/2014.

We're going to need some Manchins/Testers if we want to gain the Senate in 2020.

[oasis]

9. CNN's Jake Tapper was quick to point to the 3 senators who voted

against Kavanaugh, lost.

[AlexSFCA]

18. that's a fact hard to ignore

I’d take symbolic strategic non deciding votes over taking a high road to lose

[JI7]

10. what is there to forgive ? I don't live in his state and he isn't going to run for president

it is what it is.

[Celerity]

11. any chance he flips Parties now?

[AlexSFCA]

17. no, he got safe 6 years in congress

that allows him to grow dem seniority and power. he will never win in gop primary.

[SaschaHM]

20. Why would he?

He elected to go through the election in 2018 as a Democratic Senator in a state that Trump won by +40 points when he could have easily switched parties early and coasted to reelection as a Republican. He has gained next to nothing for the last 4 years being a Democrat.

[Celerity]

24. playing the odds

If we would have taken over the Senate, he would not have had to do anything and would be in majority. Now he can safely switch and be in majority for at least 6 years. After that Kavanaugh vote, I really don't trust him much.

[SaschaHM]

25. He could have safely switched in 2014 when we lost the majority or when Trump was elected in 2016.

Everyone knew that 2018 would be a terrible year for the Dems in the Senate 6 years ago. Heck, the silver lining of Hillary losing in 2016 was that 2018 wasn't going to be a complete blowout for Dems that it would have been if we were the party in power. He had to work against the current for reelection when as a Republican, he seat would have been secured until the day he died.

Maybe he will switch someday, but I'd think that the man who actively chose to run as a Democrat in the minority in a +40 Trump state, really for some reason wants to be a Democrat.

[wisteria]

12. NO,

[AlexSFCA]

14. yes

he kept his seat while McCaskill, Donelly and Heidcamp lost. I think Munchin would have lost too otherwise in the trumpiest of all places in universe, WV.

[kes]

15. Fck him

Democrat in name only. He’s the worst kind of democrat ever. A sell out totally

[dem4decades]

16. He was a democrat and did what he had to to win. I only wish we could

Have gotten to 51. He's in a state that sucks, what are you going to do?

[AlexSFCA]

19. exactly

and in some states dems may need to pretend they are pro-life to win. One can be ‘pro-life’ privately with no impact on legislarure or decisions cause it is a personal matter and not public policy matter. If they need to cast strategic non deciding votes they should do so. Bottomline we nees to keep winning. It’s incremental, we won’t change any state within a single election cycle. 50 states strategy is the only way to go now.

[FBaggins]

21. With a roughly 3% margin of victory...

... if nothing else, it does demonstrate that we would have lost that seat if he hadn't voted for him. There's no way that we could argue that it wouldn't have shifted 2% of the voters.

[Wintryjade]

22. This bothers me, giving a legitimacy to the travesty of putting Kavanaugh on the SC.

There is everything wrong with Kavanaugh having gotten the position on the bench and how he got it. And now this is feeling like some are giving him a win. I am really bothered with this.

[bluecollar2]

23. Nope...n/t

[SoCalDem]

26. no matter

a DINO is still a DINO..

[Quixote1818]

27. Yes. nt

[Coventina]

28. No. No forgiveness for rapists and their enablers. Never. n/t

[EffieBlack]

29. No

He didn't need to vote for Kavanaugh in order to keep his seat.

The point of having a Democrat in that seat is so that he will stand with us when we really need him - especially if his presence doesn't change who controls the Senate. But if he's going to consistently vote with Trump, even on one of the most important vote in a generation, what good is he?

[mvd]

30. I'm happier with Heitkamp even though I often disagreed with her and she lost

I thought Kavanaugh was too bad for any Democrat to vote for.

[standingtall]

31. No he would have won even if he didn't and we will still

be in the minority in the senate anyway.

[Codeine]

32. His vote was meaningless.

Why would I need to forgive someone who did something that harmed nobody?

[4now]

33. Of course