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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI know some of you hate this...
but I believe that I know what happened within an hour of that embarassingly frightening "press conference/abbatoir visit" today:
In observing his muscle tone, his hunching, his inability to stay still, his frequent angry outbursts, though somewhat controlled, his periorbital tissue, his vocal cadence, his hoarseness, his fatigue, and even, yes, his hair, I believe that he had been violently enraged for a protracted period of time prior to the meeting with the Enemies-of-the-People and was totally enervated by the episode.
I would be willing to wager that there is an upstairs room in the WH with broken bric a brac, dented walls, and torn curtains.
He is in the throes of a breakdown and is actually in danger from an episode. I know just how much that would upset everyone here. That being said, keep an eye on his signs: the obvious group mentioned above as well as other clues which will let us know that he is treading on very thin ice behaviorally.
Over forty years, I have dealt with a significant number of patients who present much like Master Mushroom did today and when queried, they report, albeit reluctantly, that they had a screaming fight on the way to my office or somewhat earlier that day.
It is what happens when the cognitive dissonance begins to eat through the heretofore nearly-impenetrable armor.
Stay tuned....
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,614 posts)Sure looks to me like he's losing the plot.
PCIntern
(25,491 posts)More like the irresistible force met the immovable object.
But your point is taken....
kiri
(789 posts)Yes, yes, But so what? He still holds on to all the power. No one in power will dislodge him.
But what a perfect time for someone, say the acting AG of NY to seize some of his prized assets.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)It would be a shame to waste it in a private setting where few could enjoy it.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)on live TV. For those who don't know, Dwyer committed suicide on live TV.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)think4yourself
(837 posts)I saw that. Live.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)A Jack Ripper on the other hand...
irisblue
(32,932 posts)Naah
No.
Not a freaking chance.
A massive meltdown, but never an on screen suicide.
3Hotdogs
(12,332 posts)would you watch it?
Autumn
(44,986 posts)Not my cup of tea. Even it it was, somebody would have it online pretty quickly.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)I want his cult followers to see it. If they can see his meltdown/heart attack/stroke/whatever with their own eyes, there's less of an opportunity to try to accuse Democrats, or anyone else of trying to kill him. I have no doubt some will try, but they need to see it firsthand.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,109 posts)if youre looking to deliberately upset people with your observation, post it over at Discussionist.
nolabear
(41,937 posts)He did look bizarre. The "tan" was very badly done, which tends to happen when he's under stress. And as you say he was subdued but had no ability to self check. He clearly had "we really won" comments prepared but couldn't stop abusing people.
Considering he pulled the trigger on Sessions this afternoon I wonder if having that plan in the works was an overload too. He was keeping something barely under wraps.
I guess we can speculate all day but I do agree that he seems to be incredibly reactive, held together by adulation and almost uncontainable under stress. He resorts to schtick in both sets of circumstances. I often doubt his ability to absorb new information and think on his feet when he does that. He seems to hear trigger words and take off on a familiar path to cover his deficits.
Someday a WHOLE lot of information is going to come out.
shanti
(21,675 posts)I would buy the hell out of that book!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,262 posts)Hypothetically, what might cause this condition to continue and grow?
malaise
(268,724 posts)Unraveling
Wednesdays
(17,321 posts)Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)But blow his brains out? Never.
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)You aint seen nutting yet.
PCIntern
(25,491 posts)I know it...
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)Unless you mean full punches being thrown.
2naSalit
(86,340 posts)it was right after Tester's win was announced, he had high hopes of unseating Tester and lost. And he hates the press so it's just been a rotten day for that poor bastard, and well deserved.
He's teetering on the brink. I expect a couple more tough questions and he's going to tear up the the room and throw himself on the floor and scream, kick and wail at the top of his lungs... all on camera.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I only want it caught on tape and that he does not hurt anyone.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)...that baboon chewing the carpet...
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)The boss yelled at him today, so he went home and kicked the dog and beat the wife.
I worked 911 for 8 years, boy did the domestic violence calls came in after the football games. Didn't even have to know when the games were over, the phones lit up.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)I cant imagine lasting 8 weeks let alone 8 years.
Thanks for doing that.
That is horrific.
Initech
(100,043 posts)Still plenty of time for it to happen, and man he lost it today!
Cha
(296,878 posts)him finally that losing the House to Democracy wasn't "winning".. and it sunk into that POSS.
UTUSN
(70,649 posts)gordianot
(15,234 posts)gordianot
(15,234 posts)His berating of the media was a verbal assault anything is possible. I thought it was deliberately planned and staged. God help us when he really loses control.
ThingsGottaChange
(1,200 posts)I really can't take any more of this.
quakerboy
(13,917 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)No, it hasn't happened yet. Maybe a profanity laced tirade where he throws stuff and/or physically attacks a reporter. Maybe something so bad the secret service actually has to hold him back. There is definitely room for his behavior to escalate.
quakerboy
(13,917 posts)He could literally be foaming at the mouth, speaking gibberish, and literally shoot down a bunch of reporters decrepit rambo style, and his supporters (and the senate republicans) would compliment him on his good work.
There is NO line he can cross that is too far for them.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. He's breaking through denial finally and is at the anger stage. Unfortunately, I don't think he will ever get to acceptance. For him, it will just end in a catastrophic meltdown and he will take everyone else down with him.
FakeNoose
(32,599 posts)... and also she writes about the 14 or so years that she's known him before he became President. She is certain that he has declined mentally since the election. Omarosa was present at a meeting when she believes he had some sort of "episode." Apparently nobody realized it was happening at the time, but in retrospect she believes it was a stroke. He seemed dazed, slurring his words, and had trouble drinking out of a bottle of water. He couldn't bring the water to his mouth and people thought it was funny.
So that happened over a year ago, and he could be having them more frequently now. Of course the White House doctors probably weren't consulted, but even if they were, they would never say anything.
tosh
(4,422 posts)from an episode...
I like it!
jmbar2
(4,865 posts)The election was a massive rebuke to his illusions of popularity. Especially the nationwide jubilation over winning the house, and unleashing Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler on him.
KT2000
(20,568 posts)His coping skills are just abuse. He cannot think himself out of a problem. Yes, he will continue tantrums, especially after January. How this ends - who knows. We haven't ever seen anything like this before.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)I say keep pushing him. A walkout lets him off easy.
still_one
(92,061 posts)a sociopath
Separation
(1,975 posts)Should start reporting these outbursts as such, and apologize to the country that what we had to watch as a "Presidential Presser" actually turned out to be an unhinged person with cognitive dissonance.
That should be tomorrows headline.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)PCIntern
(25,491 posts)Diagnosis is made over tv.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)like this you know what you are talking about.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine we recognize the difference between an informal, arm-chair diagnosis which holds little to no academic merit (objectively) versus a hack politician alleging a diagnosis to better move forward his own policies and agendas.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Trump has gone off because of one reason and that is that it is now totally clear that his son Don Jr. will be indicted within the next few days. Perhaps tomorrow.. It would make sense that Trump somehow found out that the indictment was definite and cannot be stopped.
..Further, Trump found out ahead of time due to connections, and went off..as you describe, in a tantrum, not because of the election loss, but because it is now definite that Junior is going to be indicted and tried as a criminal :getting help from an enemy country..
..........Now how does dad feel about that????
..There is no escaping the consequences of Jr.'s trial and dad's embarrassment of what the trial means. And what the publicity means to the Trump himself..His son is a traitor to the country that his dad is the Presdent of.
....Think of it..and...one more thought..let's say Trump found out about his son's indictment within the previous hour or two and he went off, and then had to have this conference..which he should have avoided at all costs.
PCIntern
(25,491 posts)Quite possible. It would explain the extreme angers and physical symptoms
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)..Trump may be thinking something like this:...Oh my ,now I am going to have to face my son's indictment and trial...... and relive all the negative publicity around the events of Russian Collusion that my son is accused of, as well as my collusion..
Perhaps dad's breakdown was due to this worry about what is ..going to happen soon to his son, and his own reputation with his son. Trump's own reputation will be destroyed if this trial takes place as well as his entire family's reputation. not patriots, but traitors to the United States
That would surely cause Trump to act like that..(and I did not see it, but your explanation is very clear) The family name will be forever ruined far worse than it is now. What if the indictment comes in the next 2 days and Trump knows it is coming and cannot be stopped.?
Neema
(1,151 posts)rout this election. There is currently NO ONE holding him accountable, or reining him in one bit. A complete Dem rout would have sent him into a rage stroke like we've never seen. He would have lashed out at far more people than Acosta, and stoked his hate-filled base to unprecedented violence. I'm sure I can't even imagine the kinds of things he'd do out of spite, because he's the kind of moron that would set his own clothes on fire for revenge.
Before the election, when this was suggested, I said "bring it on motherfucker." But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it would be the most vulnerable among us that would suffer the consequences. And until we have some fucking grownups sworn in that will actually provide some oversight, I'm glad this election was more mixed.
Not to say I'm not disappointed that Texas, Florida and Georgia went the way they did. But we knew going in we were a mile back from the starting line on those races due to all the GOP ratfuckery. I don't honestly think any of those candidates lost in pure votes. I think they started with a population that would make the race close and used all their tricks to make it so. Because you can't tell me that 18% of black women voted for DeSantis. BULL. SHIT.
Anyway, when it comes to someone as unhinged as 45, I think until we have a true majority we'll do better by slowly boiling the frog to death, so to speak.