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kpete

(71,980 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:20 PM Nov 2018

KRUGMAN: Trump may have massively screwed up Sessions' firing: 'His wall has been breached'

“Surely the plan was always to kill the Mueller investigation after the midterm,” Krugman speculates. “But this was probably envisioned as something to go along with a GOP House that would block all other inquiry. Trump’s anger over the loss may have moved him to act without thinking things through.”


Krugman goes on to explain that Trump can no longer simply bury the Mueller probe now that Democrats have retaken the House — and his efforts to do so now may only add to the legal jeopardy he faces for obstruction of justice.

“With a Dem House Trump can’t really kill the inquiry — because now people with subpoena power can call Mueller and colleagues for testimony, and get the facts out anyway,” he writes. “In fact, this could be worse than letting Mueller finish and then sitting on the report.”


The bottom line, Krugman argues, is that Trump is “not a dictator” — and now “his defensive wall has been breached.”



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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/paul-krugman-explains-trump-may-massively-screwed-sessions-firing-wall-breached/
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KRUGMAN: Trump may have massively screwed up Sessions' firing: 'His wall has been breached' (Original Post) kpete Nov 2018 OP
What? Ya mean Trump didn't think things through? vlyons Nov 2018 #1
Here's your winnings, Captain Renault n/t sarge43 Nov 2018 #10
He's incapable of thinking with anything other than his micro mushroom Blue Owl Nov 2018 #2
He's a reactionary. Of course he didn't think things through. He never does. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #3
Is there nobody advising this moron? smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #17
No one told him about the TP on his shoe going up AF1. OMGWTF Nov 2018 #24
All those capable of "warning him" have long been gone or neutered. n/t libdem4life Nov 2018 #36
correction: Daddy's money Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #19
if only he was capable barbtries Nov 2018 #33
The vile MAGAcretin is a fucking dunce malaise Nov 2018 #4
I wonder if Mueller kind of figured this might happen. C Moon Nov 2018 #5
My guess is YES..why?..simple:.....Because Mueller thinks things through..,,,, Stuart G Nov 2018 #6
:) Right. The chances are exactly 0 that he and his Hortensis Nov 2018 #14
Let's put it this way sarge43 Nov 2018 #15
Great Sentence, ...." Moron et al are playing way out of their league." Stuart G Nov 2018 #16
Why thank you. For the foreseeable future Pollie Sci grad students will have their PhD theses sarge43 Nov 2018 #22
OH MY!!!!! a reference to...."Star Fleet Academy" truely OUTSTANDING..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stuart G Nov 2018 #25
Our future history is now. Marcuse Nov 2018 #32
That was downright poetic! OMGWTF Nov 2018 #26
Thank you again sarge43 Nov 2018 #29
Kick dalton99a Nov 2018 #7
Paul Krugman has always been the voice of sanity to me. Thanks, kpete. nt Hekate Nov 2018 #8
Krugman...come on...he said,"may have moved him to act without thinking things through" REALLY pdsimdars Nov 2018 #9
Well, Trump never thinks things through... Fiendish Thingy Nov 2018 #23
Blatant, out in the open, obstruction of justice Racerdog1 Nov 2018 #11
Trump? Acting impulsively? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #12
K&R... spanone Nov 2018 #13
But the Dems don't take control of House until Jan. sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #18
True, but Congress is only in session for about 15 days before that. mac56 Nov 2018 #20
You think this is true? It seemed like the Sessions firing is part of a plan devised a month ago... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #21
With Trump don't assume he listens to anything except the voices in his head. sarge43 Nov 2018 #27
lol. True. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #38
If Trump had let zentrum Nov 2018 #28
You think Mueller won't have backups? LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #31
Yes, that's true... zentrum Nov 2018 #41
You think? I'm thinking it may have been referred to a Grand Jury. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #39
I think the huge difference is that zentrum Nov 2018 #40
I see. Makes sense. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #42
That was my thinking about a Democratic House LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #30
MSNBC said that even his staff was surprised by the sudden firing. BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #34
Oh please, when has the idiot in the WH taken the time to think anything through? Perseus Nov 2018 #35
"...without thinking things through." moondust Nov 2018 #37
Since trump doesn't know shit about how Cha Nov 2018 #43

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
1. What? Ya mean Trump didn't think things through?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
Nov 2018

I'm shocked, shocked. Oh let me put on my shocked face

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CrispyQ

(36,442 posts)
3. He's a reactionary. Of course he didn't think things through. He never does.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:53 PM
Nov 2018

React, that's all Trump does, & in the past, his money & influence got him out of the jams that kind of behavior causes. I hope his fall is spectacularly humiliating.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. Is there nobody advising this moron?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:17 PM
Nov 2018

Not that he would even listen, but there has to be someone on board who could warn him before he does all the fantastically stupid things he ends up doing.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,309 posts)
19. correction: Daddy's money
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:25 PM
Nov 2018

It was Daddy's money and Crybaby Donnie's flatulence of the mouth that got him out of jams in the past.


barbtries

(28,787 posts)
33. if only he was capable
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:10 PM
Nov 2018

of experiencing humiliation. all he has is the burning rage of the seriously personality disordered.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
4. The vile MAGAcretin is a fucking dunce
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:56 PM
Nov 2018

He's going down. The phrase 'worse than Nixon' will haunt him forever.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. :) Right. The chances are exactly 0 that he and his
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

team, all of whom are extremely redoubtable prosecutors, haven't foreseen and planned for every possible contingency.

My amateur working guess has been what Krugman arrived at with a big foundation of knowledge, that Trump & Co, for the Nth time forced to realize they've trapped themselves in a corner, are panicked and making yet another in a series of very bad mistakes.

This one may be the granddaddy that seals their slow-grinding fate, but in my ignorance I'm not able to foresee what other opportunities may still be open for self destruction. I'm taking another working guess, though, that if available they won't be passed up.

The various leaks out of that camp will be newly interesting, but O'Donnell pointed out that the house judiciary committee could literally call Mueller (or someone else) to testify every day about what Whitacker is doing.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
15. Let's put it this way
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

Mueller has firing solutions locked in on every possible target. Going in he knew this was a definite possibly and he is prepared. Moron et al are playing way out of their league.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
16. Great Sentence, ...." Moron et al are playing way out of their league."
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:10 PM
Nov 2018

It is a like a minor league, rookie team playing against the major league ..World Champions "Boston Red Sox"

Trump and company....haven't got a clue on who/what they are dealing with...They will lose so bad that the loss will become........." World History."

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
22. Why thank you. For the foreseeable future Pollie Sci grad students will have their PhD theses
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:32 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)

The Anti-Trump Library will rival Alexandria's in size.

World History? They'll be studying this at Star Fleet Academy -- The Trump Era: How Not To Fuck Up 101.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
9. Krugman...come on...he said,"may have moved him to act without thinking things through" REALLY
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:55 PM
Nov 2018

Is there ever a case you can site where he actually thought things through BEFORE acting?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
23. Well, Trump never thinks things through...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:33 PM
Nov 2018

But sometimes, others in the room, like McGrath, do. McGrath is gone now (who IS Counsel to the Prwsident now? ) , so any buffer between impulse and action may be gone.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. You think this is true? It seemed like the Sessions firing is part of a plan devised a month ago...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:31 PM
Nov 2018

maybe two months ago...when Lindsey Graham started acting batsh*t crazy.

The House almost always flips in a mid-term election. Trump's advisors would have told him that.

I don't know what to think, anymore.

Damn this a-hole for putting the country through this.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
27. With Trump don't assume he listens to anything except the voices in his head.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:39 PM
Nov 2018

IMO this is knee jerk reaction to the mid-terms. The voices are saying, "Loser. You gotta do something!"

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
28. If Trump had let
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:40 PM
Nov 2018

.....Mueller finish, deliver his report and then sat on it, the House would have issued subpoenaes anyway.

I think T figures this allows him to have more time, see what's in the report, destroy evidence, prepare his counter-attack on the time-line, whatever.

And mainly, it gives him a DOJ that will provide an incensed anti-Mueller narrative for FOX to echo. Sessions was mute. This new guy will be the press conference bully. It's all about the media control.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
41. Yes, that's true...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:43 PM
Nov 2018

.....I should have spoken more precisely. I more mean once they know what Mueller knows they can line up their own refuting narrative better. And they feel it's better to know before the public so they can pro-actively rush the "right" frame onto the airwaves.

I just see certain strategic advantages to getting rid of Mueller, from T's point of view, even if we may have some remedies.

Going to a protect-Mueller protest (I'm late!) as I write this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. You think? I'm thinking it may have been referred to a Grand Jury.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:50 PM
Nov 2018

For a legal process.

You do subpoenas if you are investigating. Hmmm. I don't know. Were there subpoenas by the House after Ken Starr issued his report?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
40. I think the huge difference is that
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:37 PM
Nov 2018

....Starr was an Independent Counsel and Mueller is a Special Prosecutor. President Clinton couldn't touch Starr b/c he was "Independent" of the cabinet or WH. Also, I don't think the House needed subpoenas after the Starr report. The blue dress etc., that they were so hot for, was already all in there.

The reason I say subpoenas is because that's what the House Dems have been saying all day, that's what they will do.

LiberalFighter

(50,828 posts)
30. That was my thinking about a Democratic House
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:52 PM
Nov 2018

They could call Mueller and his people to testify. Should DT attempt to have the report vanish.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
35. Oh please, when has the idiot in the WH taken the time to think anything through?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:13 PM
Nov 2018

The man-child has no concept of consequences so for him there is no need to think anything through, he has gotten away with so much throughout his life that consequences are irrelevant to him, and now that he is in a place which is foreign to him, government, and he came in with the idea that he would work it the same way as his mafia enterprise where he didn't have any need to think things over because when they failed, and there were a lot of failures, his legal team would get him out of the mud. I just hope that justive gets him an his family all the way this time.

Krugman, you give too much credit to that moron.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
43. Since trump doesn't know shit about how
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:37 AM
Nov 2018

government works.. why didn't one of his doormat advisers stop him?

The bottom line, Krugman argues, is that Trump is “not a dictator” — and now “his defensive wall has been breached.”

Paul Krugman is sooo Smart!!
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