States running elections

[Guppy]

has got to stop. This is to the point of criminal. This is ridiculous

[Bettie]

1. There was a time I'd have argued this

but not anymore.

It is all too arbitrary.

There was also a time when I'd have argued for only two senators per state, but not anymore.

[MineralMan]

2. So, who do you think should run elections? Trump?

The fact that elections are state and county run events is one of the reasons we still have a more-or-less free country.

The Trump administration running elections? I don't think so.

Most states operate their elections very fairly. A very few, like Georgia, are suspect. You should see how Minnesota does it. It's a model.

[Guppy]

3. Independent commission

we have all sorts of different rules with different machines. New York has no early voting. People not having early voting on Sunday. This is not being "Free". It is outright abuse.

[Garrett78]

10. An independent commission with UN oversight.

Every location should have early voting, including a mail-in option, and a paper trail.

[MineralMan]

11. Selected by whom?

I do not think you are thinking clearly through this.

How do you select an "Independent" commission. Who does the choosing? Trump?

No way. If your state has a problem with fair elections, work to fix it in your state. Don't mess with mine.

[Guppy]

13. How did that Florida thing

work out in 2000?

[MineralMan]

15. Florida's election system sucks. Georgia's too.

I don't live in either. If I did, I'd be working on filing lawsuits to fix that, not telling other states that already have fixed their to change to some unknown, untested system.

Fix your own state. Leave mine alone. Thanks.

[Guppy]

18. Secretary of state

a political position should not be in charge of elections. Fundamental problem and just cause your state is ok today it might not be tomorrow.

[MineralMan]

23. So, who should be in charge? You?

You have not said who you would like to be in charge. I don't know much about Georgia. I've only been to Atlanta a couple of times, and thought it was a nice city.

You live there, right? What are you doing to fix your state's voting system? What would you do? That's where you're going to have to do it. We can't fix it for you.

[questionseverything]

31. while i agree with you that states should run their own elections

there should be national standards that every state must comply with

this paperless non transparent black box voting needs to go

Minnesota's elections could be a pretty good model

our entire system is built on checks and balances ,voters are the check on the politicians but if you press a button and a software program spits out a pre determined result that does not reflect the will of the voters,,,,, and like Georgia there is no paper to count...it is hard to impossible to change your system from with in


kemp has cheated in full public view, so I do not doubt he would cheat behind the scenes

[Guppy]

33. Your logic should apply to A women's right to choose

See we have a right to choose in Minnesota. However, if you in Mississippi want to restrict it that's okay. See the states have the right to make laws that apply to their citizens. Tell those states to fix it if they restrict the right to choose.

We will restrict when people vote. what days early voting can occur and what the quality of the machine is and how many machines are available in a location. See its easy.

[MineralMan]

45. One subject at a time

You started a thread about elections, and have not answered an questions. Now, you're changing the subject. It doesn't work that way. Sorry.

[Anza404]

5. My voting place was less than 100 feet from my house and took less than 10 minuts in Minnesota :D

[Guppy]

7. So your's is ok

but us in Georgia and Florida are out of control. That's an OK solution?

[MineralMan]

12. I take it you live in one of those two states.

It's your state. You vote in it. Get together with others and file a lawsuit in federal court.

Elections are held by states. If yours is corrupt or unfair, it's time to get to work on that. We've already fixed ours. We don't want to change the way it works. Fix your own state's elections.

[MineralMan]

14. But see, the poster doesn't live in Minnesota.

The poster lives in a state with unfair elections. So, he wants ever state to change, instead of working to fix that state.

Shallow thinking.

[Guppy]

20. Why was there a voting rights act

because states abuse rights. With your logic Minnesota didn't abuse voting so Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina you people fix it. We will be okay in Minnesota.

[MineralMan]

21. So, file a federal lawsuit to get your state fixed.

[Guppy]

9. let's look at the list

Georgia,
Florida,
Wisconsin,
Texas,
New York(no early voting)
North Carolina
Arizona

[MineralMan]

27. That's seven. What about the 43 not on that list?

How about fixing those seven and leaving the 43 alone? Sheesh!

[scheming daemons]

4. 50 separate elections is harder to manipulate or hack than 1 single election.

I prefer the states handle them separately..... makes it harder on the Russians and other bad actors to fuck with them.

[Cetacea]

6. True, but one only has to hack Florida or Ohio these days

(on the National level)

[marylandblue]

17. If they could hack every state, we might not have won the House

We need a single federal standard that every state has to follow on it's own. A Voting Rights Act.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

40. Yes, I prefer the states handle it for this reason too. n/t

[Kaleva]

8. You think the Trump Administration would do a better job?

[GulfCoast66]

16. Yeah, cause the Sessions DOJ would have been sooo impartial.

I understand your frustration, but that is a potentially disastrous idea.

[roamer65]

19. No thanks.

We are cleaning up our system in MI, per the results of Tuesday nite. No need for federal meddling, which would be Trumpist.

Get to work cleaning up your state.

[Captain Stern]

22. I think a lot of Republicans would agree with you.

Now that I think about it, I'm surprised they didn't try to push that through at some point over the last two years.

Federal control of all elections with a Republican President and Congress, and the existing Supreme Court?

No, thanks. I'll pass.

It'd be a lot better to just have the States remain in control of their own elections..flaws, and all.

[Guppy]

38. so you agreed with

the supreme court when they ended the Voting rights act.

[SaschaHM]

24. I'd honestly rather have 50 different systems w/ mandated rules than 1 system

You can work your hardest to fix 3-4 states that have done their best to corrupt the system, but it would be near impossible to check and correct corruption in a single system, whether it be an "independent" commission stacked with cronies or a federal system run by cronies.

[world wide wally]

25. How about U.N. oversight?

I think Jimmy Carter has some connections there

[MineralMan]

26. That would never be accepted in this country.

But you knew that, right?

[world wide wally]

28. Yes. And we have to stop accepting cheating too

[MineralMan]

30. It is up to the citizens in each state to fix their state's system.

Are they working on that? If not, why not?

Most state's election systems are OK. Some are outstanding. A few suck. So sue in federal court if you live in one of the sucky states.

Don't impose some system that is untested on the rest of the states. Fix the broken ones. Only the people in those states can file that lawsuit. They're the only ones with standing. So, why don't they do that?

One person can file such a lawsuit. The ACLU would be happy to help, I'm sure.

So, the ball's in those state's courts.

Leave my state alone. Its elections work just fine. In fact, Minnesota would be happy to act as a model.

In which state do you live?

[world wide wally]

32. Here is my problem with state control of elections if you'll indulge me for a minute.

If we had left Civil Rights up to the states, I would bet half of them would still not have those civil rights. The voting age is federalized and individual states should not have an option on identification either. Yes, I agree that the states should enforce the laws, but not write them.
Just too many rednecks out there in too many states. (and the most extreme ones do pay an inordinate amount of attention to politics).
I will leave it at that.

BTW... I live in Colorado. Raised in Chicago

[Guppy]

34. why stop at civil rights

lets' apply the same logic to the right to choose. states fix it we are ok in Minnesota.

[world wide wally]

35. That should also be a federal matter

[Guppy]

36. so you agreed with the Supreme court

and Judge Roberts to end the Voting Rights act.

[Guppy]

43. states don't abuse

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[FSogol]

29. No thanks. Fix the f'ed states & put more federal protections in place. n/t

[marybourg]

37. "The time,place and manner

of holding elections for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the Legislature thereof. “ See, Art 1, U. S. Constitution.

[Guppy]

39. Did you agree

with the supreme court when they ended the voting rights act.

[marybourg]

41. What does that question have to do with my

pointing out the origins of our state-directed voting?

[Guppy]

42. Because the argument circulating here is states rights

and I am not sure where you stand. But the abuse of the voting rights has accelerated since the supreme court ended the Voting rights act. States rights has always been the greatest abuser of individual rights. It was the argument for slavery, Jim crow, voting and denial of the right to choose.

[marybourg]

44. I don't stand anywhere, except to point out that we have a

Constitution which gives us an outline of how elections are to be run, and if we want to change that, we must amend the Constitution.