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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:02 AM Nov 2018

What did Susan Collins get back home for her Kavanaugh betrayal? A 9-point approval drop

Joan McCarter
Daily Kos Staff
Thursday November 08, 2018 · 9:50 PM EST

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) traded her reputation and principles away for the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court fight for an overall loss of 9 points in her approval rating. Morning Consult polled Maine and found that " the political ground has shifted beneath her ahead of a potential 2020 re-election run."

Forty-five percent of Mainers approve of her job performance post-Kavanaugh, a 9-point drop since Morning Consult last surveyed over the summer. She picked up a lot of Republicans: "68 percent approved and 25 percent disapproved—a net 43-point jump." She could make that shift because Republicans disliked her before, displeased with her general bipartisany persona and her anti-Obamacare repeal vote.

She's 32 points underwater with Democrats, having gone from a 39 percent disapproval to a miserable 63 percent bad rating. She's not likely to be able to court many of them as she has in the past. She's fared slightly better with independents, her disapproval rating jumping just 4 points from 31 to 35, but her approval dropping from 56 to 41 points. An awful lot more independents have decided they're undecided about what they think of her.

The "Kavanaugh bump" for the Republican base was pretty short-lived, so we'll see how long they still like Collins, given the hardest core of them have looked on her as a sellout for most of her career. She burned bridges with many of them long ago.

The bridges she just burned with Democrats, with Independents, and particularly with women, her staunchest supporters, aren't going to be rebuilt. Every heinous decision out of the Supreme Court that Kavanaugh signs on to is going to rebound on her, forever. Between that and the $3.7 million war chest that the grassroots has raised to hand over to her 2020 Democratic challenger, she's going to have a very uncomfortable two years. We'll make sure of that.

https://www.dailykos.com/


I think she will not run...............she will take her new husband and go visit the oligarchs in Russia that gave him money..........

And as far as I am of the opinion she is a traitor.................

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What did Susan Collins get back home for her Kavanaugh betrayal? A 9-point approval drop (Original Post) turbinetree Nov 2018 OP
Angus King voters aren't going to vote for Collins now. House of Roberts Nov 2018 #1
Not unless they move to her district anyways. bluedigger Nov 2018 #4
King and Collins are Senators in Maine. House of Roberts Nov 2018 #6
Right, that's the entire state. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #9
Thank you for posting Soxfan58 Nov 2018 #2
I bet the trump doormat was Not Cha Nov 2018 #3
Coordinated efforts to lean on her should be made Cosmocat Nov 2018 #5
The whole country shifted 10-15 points to the left... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #7
The state of Maine just went almost all blue - Gov, legislature & U.S. Senator who caucuses blue BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #8
Not may, it is a ranked choice instant runoff election in ME-2 for US Rep Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #10
We linked the same article BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #11
Maybe CA has for local races Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #15
California is using it for federal elections BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #19
Yeah, then this is the first for a federal race in the general election Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #22
You can at least celebrate now that LePage will be gone!!!! BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #23
LOL, I pasted the wrong one Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #16
Thank you for the updated link!!!! BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #18
Well, congrats!, and just ignore their screams over losing Hortensis Nov 2018 #14
Poliquin really shouldn't have been a shoo-in either Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #12
The teabagger thing in 2010 was really a game-changer BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #17
Yeah, exactly Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #20
I think it is in the process of change now BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #21
Good to hear, thanks. Hortensis Nov 2018 #13

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
5. Coordinated efforts to lean on her should be made
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:07 AM
Nov 2018

to constantly put pressure on her, the senator from Colorado, etc, really work on them and try to break them ...

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
7. The whole country shifted 10-15 points to the left...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:41 AM
Nov 2018

including most of the seats that Repubs held onto.

We need to keep the pressure on. 2020 is around the corner.

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
8. The state of Maine just went almost all blue - Gov, legislature & U.S. Senator who caucuses blue
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:49 AM
Nov 2018

and ME-2 may have to go to ranked-choice in what should have been a shoo-in for the Republican incumbent (no incumbent has lost the seat for over a century).



Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
10. Not may, it is a ranked choice instant runoff election in ME-2 for US Rep
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:27 PM
Nov 2018

Poliquin claimed round 1 win, as if that is a thing. The repubs in ME-2 are going to be mega pissed if Poliquin loses to Golden because of ranked choice because in the old system he would have been declare the winner with 1,910 more votes then Golden. New system requires 50% of the votes to win. Poliquin had 46%. If the independent voters liked Golden better, then Poliquin loses. We'll see how it goes. I can see the repubs screaming about how ranked choice is a scam and unconstitutional, which is not true in this circumstance because we wouldn't be doing it. That has already been evaluted by the courts. Repubs scream whenever they can't have an unfair advantage and they don't care about democracy. They just want to win and rule over us all. I'm sick of these entitled assholes. Let them throw a fit. We all had to endure their boy LePage for 8 years. It's time for the Dems in Maine now. We'll have a Dem gov and Dem majorities in the Maine House and Senate, so I think repubs aren't going to get their way.


https://www.pressherald.com/2018/11/06/poliquin-golden-race-will-come-down-to-ranked-choice-voting/

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
11. We linked the same article
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:31 PM
Nov 2018


The article was from 3 days ago so wasn't sure what the update is since there seems to be so little out there on this (I guess except locally).

I believe California does similar now...

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
15. Maybe CA has for local races
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:00 PM
Nov 2018

but Maine is the first state use the ranked choice instant runoff system in a federal election.

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
19. California is using it for federal elections
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:10 PM
Nov 2018

but it looks like it applies to the primaries - https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2018/5/29/17405562/california-top-two-primary-ranked-choice-voting

The above-linked article notes the danger of using it for primaries when you have several strong candidates of the same party who might be knocked out in some flippable GOP districts.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
22. Yeah, then this is the first for a federal race in the general election
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:29 PM
Nov 2018

I'm thinking this could get super nasty if Poliquin loses. Trump will probably insert himself into it somehow. We used ranked choice for the primaries in the summer too. The only people who don't like it are the Republicans. Independents and Democrats support the system. Maine people voted two times to get this system and there have been a bunch of court cases. Majority wants it, but Republicans don't like it because they know they don't appeal to the majority. That should tell them they need to work on themselves, but they don't want to. They just want to force their bull crap on the rest of us. Frigging LePage never wanted to implement any of our referendum questions. He'd stall on all of them and then turn around and act like he was doing the will of the people. No, the will of the people would have been to implement what the majority clearly voted for.

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
23. You can at least celebrate now that LePage will be gone!!!!
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:47 PM
Nov 2018


I mean really - people don't realize that rural Maine is in bad shape and I think in their case, it's "pride" that makes them keep voting against their own interests... and as they say, "Pride is the mother of arrogance".

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
16. LOL, I pasted the wrong one
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:04 PM
Nov 2018

I meant to paste this one.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/11/08/poliquin-claims-first-round-win-ballots-head-to-augusta-for-counting/


"“We won the Election-Night total,” Poliquin campaign spokesman Brendan Conley said in a statement. Although Poliquin won a plurality of the votes cast in the race Tuesday, he didn’t receive the majority required for victory under the ranked-choice system.

A first-round lead is noteworthy in part because in instant-runoff elections it is rare that subsequent rounds lead to a different winner. It is also considered a critical step for a candidate who might challenge the legality of ranked-choice voting, since there is no chance to win in court without first capturing a plurality."


Repubs are probably going to have a nasty fight over this if they lose.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Well, congrats!, and just ignore their screams over losing
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:59 PM
Nov 2018

power to abuse. It may be that some will lose interest if it's no fun anymore.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
12. Poliquin really shouldn't have been a shoo-in either
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:51 PM
Nov 2018

He is like an ex-Wall St banker. He doesn't have the ME-2 kind of feel to him. He makes it very obvious he doesn't care about his constituents. There have been several occasions of him trying to skirt questions from Mainers. A good example of this is his infamous ducking into the women's bathroom incident. LOL! He hasn't voted to protect Obamacare. That's a biggie. Anyhow, it shows how die-hard the rural areas are for the repubs that this is even close. FYI, before Poliquin's last two terms, we had a dem in that seat for many terms, but the repubs went really nutty about the time LePage got in as gov. That was basically the time where the tea party BS started to be a big thing. Over the last decade things changed in that it seemed like the conservatives got more conservative. It's like they all went mad because we had a black president. Now a lot of them will not consider anyone but a republican. They don't pay much attention to what is going on either. They figure they don't need to because their mind was made up before the race ever started, before the candidates were even selected. They won't consider that maybe the republican candidate isn't the best for them. It's just default voting, but now even more crazy because they believe the dems are bad people due to right wing smear campaigns from conservative media. Dems need to do something to show these rural people how we really are so they'll stop thinking bullshit.

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
17. The teabagger thing in 2010 was really a game-changer
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:06 PM
Nov 2018

and set in motion the level of crazy that we are now suffering from.

Case in point - You had what I call an "annoying Republican" - Bob Bennett in Utah (originally elected in 1992). Come 2010, you had Mike Lee go full-on teabagger batshit crazy and and Bennett was primaried by him. That in turn caused Hatch to rear up and take notice, resulting in him shifting his already-RW self into a race to dive off the cliff into a whole pit of teabaggery in order to get re-elected. And as time moved on, the old-timers were literally marinating in that stuff and it reflected in more and more nastiness in their hearings.

For those of us who have followed these guys for a number of years, it has really been a bug-out to see the extreme right tack that many of them took in order to not be "primaried" and it just made it worse for everyone. And they created a new "base" to rally around them and adopt the crazy stuff.

This is what the billions of Koch money did.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
20. Yeah, exactly
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:16 PM
Nov 2018

The tea party movement was bad because it changed the Republican party to be more conservative and now it's like the Republican candidates have to be total nut jobs to get Republican nomination. I don't know how to fix that, but reasonable people are gradually leaving that party because they don't know what to do about it either. I suppose it has to come to a point where the leaders in the Republican party recognize running candidates with the teabagger mentality is no longer a winning strategy. I think that begins with actual Republicans over looking the teabaggers in their primaries, but since the sane ones are leaving the party, I don't know if anyone is left that can make good decisions.

BumRushDaShow

(128,859 posts)
21. I think it is in the process of change now
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:20 PM
Nov 2018

The results of Tuesday shows that. I.e., you had a number of GOP folks voting blue (and/or splitting their tickets). The number of "independents" has also grown, many of them former Republicans.

There will probably be some serious soul-searching in those other quarters but they will have to deal with the top of their ticket who will sabotage them. This is where we need to regroup and plan for 2020 - and not just the top of our ticket but also the next group of Senators and the state races, because the states are where the redistricting will be happening.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Good to hear, thanks.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:56 PM
Nov 2018

There is absolutely nothing she could do to repair her standing to what she likes to style herself, "moderate conservative," with me. If she performed outstandingly from here on I'd be a fool to think she was doing it for any other reasons but those she betrayed her nation for before.

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