Gillibrand Says She's Giving 2020 Run A 'Long, Hard Thought Of Consideration'

[DonViejo]

By Nicole Lafond

November 9, 2018 8:35 am

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) gave the strongest indication yet that she’s a possible Democratic contender for president in 2020 when she told Stephen Colbert on “The Late Show” Thursday that she was giving the idea a “long, hard thought of consideration.”

“I’ve seen the hatred and the division that President Trump has put out into our country, and it has called me to fight as hard as I possibly can to restore the moral compass of this country,” she said.

Watch the interview below:

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gillibrand-giving-2020-long-hard-consideration

[rzemanfl]

1. Nope. n/t

[still_one]

2. I am sure she is, as are a few others

[hlthe2b]

6. Will someone not do her a favor & clue her in? She will not get the support.

[still_one]

40. Then she won't be the nominee. I think there will be plenty of good candidates in the ring

[hlthe2b]

3. I'd love to support a competent, brilliant, dedicated woman candidate at top of the ticket ...

and I think we have several.

just not Gillibrand... I support her continuation in the Senate, however.

[dalton99a]

7. +1

[brush]

33. Exactly my position too. What she did to Al will always follow her.

[SFnomad]

50. And Bernie Sanders called for him to resign too ... doesn't seem to be following him around here n/t

[MrsCoffee]

51. There is a double standard for all things related to Bernie.

[SFnomad]

53. +1 n/t

[betsuni]

88. And quoting his words is "bashing."

[crazycatlady]

92. also with all things related to Kirsten Gillibrand

It's cool to hate her here.

[brush]

91. She was the ringleader, besides, Sanders has other things dogging him.

[MrsCoffee]

94. The ringleader. That just sounds so ridiculous and juvenile.

There were 38 individuals who each own their decision to call for Franken's resignation.

[brush]

95. Oh, please. And you wrote that with a straight face.

We were all here when she fell for the Hannity/Stone/Tweedum hit job on Franken and led the charge in insisting that a fellow Democrat resign without an investigative hearing.

Our memories aren't that short.

Ambition and gullibility are not a good combination, especially in someone who wants to represent the Democratic Party for president.

[MrsCoffee]

97. So what exactly would that say about the gullibility of those you insist just followed the leader?

A couple of them are ambitious enough to want to represent the Democratic Party for president.

Oh, right. Those double standards again.

[brush]

100. So back Klobuchar. She didn't jump in the bandwagon to oust a fellow Dem.

[Trumpocalypse]

106. Led the charge?

How did she do that? Unfortunately she doesn’t have that kind of power or influence to get 38 other Senators to follow along, including Harris, Warren and Sanders. That is not how the Senate works.

[brush]

115. Go back and research. She was very much in the forefront of that whole...

dumping of Al Franken by fellow Democrats.

Why try to deny it? Most of us were here then and saw it unfold.

[Trumpocalypse]

116. I have

And she was one of 38 Senators who called on Franken to resign (including Harris, Warren and Sanders who are oddly never blamed) all on the same morning after several women made allegations against Franken (not just Tweeden) and a day after Franken announced a press conference regarding his political future. Only those who are incredibly ignorant about how things work in the Senate would think that Gillibrand had the power and influence to get 38 other Senators to call for Franken’s resignation.

And even if she did, it hasn’t hurt her outside the DU bubble. She just won re-election with 66% of the vote and the Late Show audience cheered she said she would consider running for President.

[brush]

117. Good that she won her seat in the Senate. She won't do well in a presidential run though...

because of the Franken backstabbing.

Hard to believe that none of the other candidates won't remind voters of her prominent role in insisting that a fellow Democrat resign without the due process of an investigative hearing.

Too bad. Her gullibility and poor judgment in falling for the Hannity/Stone/Tweeden hit job on Franken, and her ambition to get rid of a possible competitor for the 2020 nomination got the better of her.

She'll be fine in the Senate though.

[Trumpocalypse]

120. Yes keep telling yourself that

If you repeat it enough times it might become true.

[brush]

129. It's already true. We all saw it happen.

[Trumpocalypse]

139. No

That is not what happened. It is a highly skewed version by people looking to demonize Gillibrand.

[brush]

140. She did what she did. Can't deny it.

[Trumpocalypse]

146. And so did 38 others

And all a day after Franken scheduled his news conference. Gillibrand was not the sole person responsible. To demonize her alone is ignorant of the facts and unfair.

[brush]

148. It's ok to fault the others as well, although she was most prominent.

[Trumpocalypse]

158. Yes they all deserve to be

blamed. And Franken deserves to be called a hero for falling on his sword for the sake of the party.

[MrsCoffee]

124. She will make a great Presidential candidate.

People outside of the little DU bubble of hatred know just how lucky we would be to have such a strong candidate.

I’m hoping for a ticket with Gillibrand and Harris. Women are the future of the party

None of your trashing of her is going to change any hearts and minds. But knock yourself out trying to convince convince people not to support a strong Democratic candidate. Can’t imagine a more wasteful use of time right now.

[brush]

128. I don't have to knock myself out. She knocked herself out with the Franken gambit.

[MrsCoffee]

130. She might have lost some DUers with misplaced anger.

But in the real world, she is an excellent candidate. And we would be lucky to have her.

[brush]

132. We're lucky all right as we have several good candidates.

[MrsCoffee]

133. Indeed we do!

[Trumpocalypse]

141. Well said nt

[Trumpocalypse]

121. It is

Unfortunately there has been a cult of personality built around Franken. And Gillibrand is the villain who went to Franken’s office with the resignation letter and a gun telling Franken either his brains or signature would be on the letter. You can’t reason with any of these people they are in their bubble and refuse to accept any facts.

[Newland56]

134. That's extreme

The reality is that she was the prominent voice on television stating he should resign.
If not mistaken she was the first one to go on TV requesting it and the most quoted on the matter with the most national exposure to the request for him to leave.

To now say she was just a member of the chorus is a touch disingenuous. And to frame it in the extreme of going with a gun and saying brains or signature frames it in the extreme.

The big difference between the two is that Al resigned for the good of the party without consideration for his own personal goals and desires. That is character personified.

One thing I am certain we will never hear, even if every accuser recants their accusation and it bocomes public the whole thing was an operation by republicans to get rid of one of the most effective senators we had is

“I am sorry I requested Al resign his seat. In hindsight it was wrong and I regret it. I apologize to Al, the Democratic Party, and the American people. My actions damaged the party, Al, and the American people and I apologize”

[Trumpocalypse]

144. Yes she was the first

But the others were all the same morning. Harris was only minutes behind her. It is obvious that this was an effort coordinated by leadership, not by Gillibrand. Plus Franken’s news conference was announced the day before. So to demonize Gillibrand as the sole person responsible for Franken’s resignation is both unfair and ignores the facts.

[Celerity]

153. here are a good articles backing that up

Female Democratic senators coordinated a wave of calls for resignation

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

Nearly three weeks after sexual harassment allegations first emerged against Sen. Al Franken, a wave of Democratic senators — in coordination and following a flurry of text messages and phone calls — called for his resignation in rapid succession Wednesday morning.

Starting around 11:30 a.m. ET, the senators posted statements in a coordinated effort, one after the other, on social media, saying the Minnesota Democrat should step down. Some comments were elaborate, lengthy and loaded with a moral message. Others, like that of Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, were straight to the point. "Al Franken should resign," she simply tweeted.

Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.

The flood of calls came just one day after Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat who has also been accused of sexual misconduct, announced he was resigning following calls from leaders in his own party to quit.

snip

Women Democratic senators had been talking behind the scenes for at least the past week about how to deal with Franken, multiple aides told CNN. But those talks reached a tipping point Wednesday morning, they said, when Politico published a report at 9 a.m. ET of another woman alleging that Franken touched her inappropriately in 2006, before he was elected to office.

The story prompted a flurry of calls and texts between Senate offices within minutes, and it was decided sometime between then and about 10:30 a.m. ET that the women senators would go public in a show of unity with their desire for Franken to step aside.
"Their patience had worn incredibly thin," said an aide to one of the women senators.




Democrats stampede to drive Sen. Franken from office amid sexual misconduct allegations

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-women-senators-call-franken-resign-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations-n827036

Democratic women on Wednesday led the charge of more than two dozen senators who called on their embattled colleague, Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota, to resign after multiple women accused him of harassment or sexual misconduct.

Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Kamala Harris of California, Patty Murray of Washington and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin kicked off the stampede on Wednesday, all putting out statements within minutes of one another saying it was time for Franken to go.

By the evening, at least 35 Democrats — including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York — were calling on him to quit, and Franken's office said the senator was planning an announcement from the Senate floor Thursday morning at 11:45. Some fellow Democrats said they believe he will announce he is resigning.

snip

Avalanche of Democratic senators say Franken should resign

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/363543-women-in-senate-call-for-franken-to-resign


That changed when a new charge became public on Wednesday from a woman who said the senator has sought to forcibly kiss her in a 2006 incident.

Six female Democratic senators quickly followed Gillibrand in saying that Franken should step down: Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Patty Murray (Wash.), Mazie Hirono (Hawaii), Tammy Baldwin (Wis.) and Maggie Hassan (N.H.).

"I believe the best thing for Senator Franken to do is step down," Harris said.

By early afternoon, Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the No. 2 Democrat, and Democratic Sens. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Bob Casey Jr. (Pa.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Michael Bennet (Colo.), Ed Markey (Mass.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Patrick Leahy (Vt.), Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), Martin Heinrich (N.M.), Tammy Duckworth (Ill.), Jeff Merkley (Ore.), Tom Carper (Del.), Ron Wyden (Ore.), Tom Udall (N.M.), Chris Murphy (Conn.), Gary Peters (Mich.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.) had also called on Franken to resign.

Sens. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and Angus King (Maine), both Independents who caucus with the Democrats, also called on Franken to step down.

snip



my thoughts:


At the end of the day, the ONLY Democratic Senator to publicly say Franken should not resign was Joe Manchin.

Every other one, except for Bob Menendez of New Jersey (at the time facing a federal corruption trial) and the 3 members of the Senate Ethics Committee (Chris Coons of Delaware, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, who could not make any statements), publicly or private told him to resign. I am pretty sure those 4, if their situations were different, would have joined the calls for Franken to go.

It is patent revisionism to lay the blame almost solely on Gillibrand. Take her out of the picture and the exact same thing would have happened, as evidenced by the articles above.

She is not my first (or 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc) choice for our nominee for POTUS 2020, but she also was the ONLY Democratic Senator to vote against EVERY single Trump nomination for high positions and she has been a tireless worker this 2018 cycle to help get out the vote across the country. She is a solid as hell liberal who is on the good side of most, if not all, issues that I care about, and she backs it up with actual votes.

She has even been called a quisling on this thread. That is fucking outrageous! Vidkun Quisling was the NAZI leader of the puppet government in Norway during WWII. It is beyond the pale to compare one of our great Senators a fucking Nazi war criminal who was executed for his crimes against humanity.

[Trumpocalypse]

160. Thanks

Gillibrand is not my first choice either, but I think she has been unfairly demonized. One plus she does have is that she has proven she can win in a right leaning, white work class district.

[brush]

161. Sad that they all jumped on the bandwagon.

Now that it's obvious it was a repug hit job (not a single accuser came forward after Al resigned), the whole rush to judgment makes our party look bad.

Unfortunately what happened will dog those who joined in.

[Newland56]

162. Yes

And she grabbed the bullhorn first
It was bad and she was the voice of the bad
Why only 16?
She didn’t decline the opportunity to be front and center
Yes
I hold her responsible for damaging the party at a time our country was/is facing the most dangerous threat to our democracy.
I personally believe she made sure she was first thinking it would advance her political future

[brush]

164. Oh yeah. Gullible, ambitious and poor judgment is not a good combination for...

our presidential candidate.

[Celerity]

169. I dont see anyone going after any of the others, they all worked in unison for weeks

Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Kamala Harris of California, Patty Murray of Washington and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin kicked off the stampede on Wednesday, all putting out statements within minutes of one another saying it was time for Franken to go.

Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.

Women Democratic senators had been talking behind the scenes for at least the past week about how to deal with Franken, multiple aides told CNN.


If Gillibrand truly is that powerful that she can, (from a non top leadership position) cause every single Democratic Caucus Senator, save Manchin (and the 4 listed above who did nothing one way or the other due to legal issues) to help oust a powerful fellow Senator, then we would be crazy to not run her against the white nationalist scum Trump.

It is selective, revisionist scapegoating, and the rat pack mentality on here (ironically mirroring the very thing almost all our Senators did to Franken) that slurs and slams a really solid Democratic female Senator and turns her into a Two Minutes Of Hate-style demon is so so very sad for me to see.

Some of the comments I have seen here since I joined venture into 'burn the witch territory'. It's disgusting to see.

Edited to add:

There is zero chance that our leadership, especially Schumer, didn't know what was going on, and approve. Either that or they are so out of touch and utterly ineffectual at controlling our own Senatorial Caucus that they deserve to be removed and replaced post haste.

[Renew Deal]

4. Of course she's running

She should have said “I’m here aren’t I?”

[PubliusEnigma]

5. I'd rather vote for Al Franken.

[Brainstormy]

32. Perfect!

My sentiments exactly.

[onetexan]

62. Second that

[wellst0nev0ter]

65. Third

she can take a hike off a short pier

[SMC22307]

78. Exactly.

If Gillibrand's on the ticket she'll get my vote, but I won't do a damn thing to help her get there.

[Paladin]

123. My sentiments X 1000. (nt)

[Takket]

8. I would certainly support her in the general

But I would probably not in the primary because she burned a lot of bridges with progressives over Franken and I’m worried that could hurt her a bit in the general.

Maybe those burned bridges are only with a few hundred DUers and it is meaningless to the rank and file Dem??? I don’t know. Would like be to see a poll on it. “Would her stance on Franken effect your desire to vote for her?” That kind of thing

[Fullduplexxx]

39. Vote blue no matter who in the general but in the primary... no

[peekaloo]

9. He prodded her and after walking around the block to get to her back door

she made that statement.

Shrewd but come on, she was promoting more than a children's book.

[Autumn]

10. We have known this since Dec 2017. She's an effective Senator.

[In It to Win It]

13. I'm undecided on "effective."

[Autumn]

17. I'm not undecided, she was very effective. It didn't take long at all for her

to rally the rest of the Senate Dems to join her call on Franken to resign.

[In It to Win It]

26. I'm of the opinion that what you describe is drastically different from being...

legislatively effective.

[Autumn]

30. Did I say she was legislatively effective? No I did not. I said she was

an effective Senator.

[In It to Win It]

34. I think it's the same thing...

Since a Senator is a legislator, I think saying she’s an effective senator is the same as saying she’s legislatively effective...

Agree to disagree?

[Autumn]

37. Think what you want. I don't have skills to read what's not said while you obviously do

[Bradshaw3]

47. What legislation has she passed?

Specifically that would show her effectiveness in getting Democratic legislation passed since she's been in the Senate?

[In It to Win It]

49. I agree...

I agree but Autumn isn’t saying she’s an effective legislator.

[Trumpocalypse]

110. You asked

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412223#enacted_ex=on

[wellst0nev0ter]

66. Forcing an by election on a previously safe seat is NOT effective

that's just basic stupidity. No.

[Autumn]

68. She was effective in getting Franken out of his seat wasn't she?

[wellst0nev0ter]

70. Yep, guess we can give her credit for that

[Autumn]

71. I hope she doesn't run. I get angry every time I see her.

[wellst0nev0ter]

72. Had to beat back a gag reflex when voting for her Tuesday

Sorry, she ran unopposed in the primary .

[dhol82]

79. +1

[Trumpocalypse]

113. Tina Smith won by 11%

So the seat is still safe.

[oasis]

11. "A long, hard thought of consideration". In Sen. Franken's case, not so much.

[dalton99a]

15. +1. It was execution before investigation

[USALiberal]

23. +1000 nt

[In It to Win It]

12. No thanks.

I like Gillibrand but not enough for 2020.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. She really shouldn't run.

There will be so many Democratic options that will be more galvanizing to the voter base.

[DFW]

16. I'm OK with her thinking long and hard

As long as her conclusion is that she is better off not running.

[dhol82]

81. Agree.

She is ok as a senator.
As long as she remains progressive. That was not always the case.

[EffieBlack]

18. Of course, I'd support her if she gets the nomination BUT

I would vote for just about anyone besides her in the primaries. I don't trust her any further than I could throw her

[USALiberal]

21. Same way I feel! Nt

[smirkymonkey]

55. Ditto!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

89. Likewise

[democratisphere]

19. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

Adam Schiff should be the next POTUS!

[In It to Win It]

27. I think Adam Schiff has great 2020 potential.

[democratisphere]

36. Agreed!

[dhol82]

82. I just wish he had a bit more charisma

He is so smart and so productive but he has the personality of a sponge.
Sad.
If he were the candidate, I would definitely vote for him.
Hell, I would vote for him in the primaries.

[In It to Win It]

83. I agree 100%

[USALiberal]

20. Look forward to donating to whoever runs against her!! Nt

[hatrack]

22. Gosh, I'm just tingling . . .

[ret5hd]

24. Nope. Not a vote from me.

[OnDoutside]

25. Lolz. Color me shocked.

No thanks.

[Blue_true]

28. In order, if they run, I will support in the Dem primary.

1. Joe Biden
2. Kamala Harris
3. The Democratic Governor of Montana

Gillibrand is in my top 7, and if she breaks strong against my top three, I will back her fully. I think that she learns and change for the better, I like that in a politician.

[Trumpocalypse]

107. Harris called for Franken to resign too.

And didn’t within minutes of Gillibrand. Why does Harris get a pss?

[Blue_true]

114. I like Gillibrand.

The Franken issue has no bearing on my decision. I just think the Harris is more polished than Gillibrand and will fight Trump better. Kristen is among my top seven choices, I actually like some things about her, like her stance on tackling sexual assault when it happens anywhere in society.

[shanny]

29. no thanks

[bedazzled]

31. I have never heard of "a long hard thought of consideration"

That is inarticulate. She was far clearer when she was speaking against franken

[dlk]

35. Don't Bother Kirsten-Americans Remember How You Helped Railroad Al Franken

[Trumpocalypse]

108. Yes you could hear the disapproval of her from

The Late Show audience.

[sarcasmo]

38. No vote here, the Franken mess will be remembered forever.

[SaschaHM]

41. She's definitely in my Top 10 and possibly in my top 5.

[ck4829]

42. Everything else aside. I'm not sure if we should run a New Yorker against a New Yorker

I think we should get someone with agreeable Democratic values but more from deeper inside geographically.

[Glorfindel]

43. There's an old joke about an elderly man who was a "yellow dog" Democrat

One of his grandchildren asked him, "Gramps, would you vote for the devil if he ran as a Democrat?" After a long, hard thought of consideration, the old man said, "Well, no. Not in the primary I wouldn't."

If Senator Gillibrand is the nominee of the Democratic Party for president, I'll vote for her.

[redstatebluegirl]

45. No way after what she did to Al Franken.

[Adrahil]

46. LOL.... NOPE. NT

[lame54]

48. Now that Franken is out of the way

[workinclasszero]

52. Al Franken

I'll pass on supporting Gillibrand in any primary.

She has lousy judgement and political savvy and proved it.

[octoberlib]

54. Won't vote for her in the primary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Gillibrand can stop thinking about running... her candidacy is over before it even started.

[tavernier]

57. Only in the general,

but that ain’t gonna happen.

[wasupaloopa]

58. God I hope not. I would be hard pressed to vote for her. I would if she were the Dem candidate but

it wouldn't be a happy vote.

[UniteFightBack]

69. She is a great Senator but she does not have that "IT" factor that we desperately need. nt

[wasupaloopa]

73. I don't like the way she got Al Franken out of office without any kind

of hearing or investigation.

I don’t know what kind of Senator she is and frankly I don’t care to know.

[LBM20]

59. No. Sherrod Brown or Steve Bulloch. Not someone from the far east or far west.

[Lotusflower70]

60. Nope

Screw that. She helped railroad my Senator. Hard pass..

[JCMach1]

61. Noping out on this one...

[NurseJackie]

63. No thank you. She rubs me the WRONG way. I don't trust her judgement.

I believe that Franken was unfairly railroaded and she played a big part in denying him due process. That's not the type of leader that I could support. And that's my opinion. Yours may be different.

[milestogo]

64. As much thought as she gave to throwing Al Franken under the bus?

No matter how much thought she gives it, I would never trust her.

[wellst0nev0ter]

67. She believed a birther over Franken

I vote for REAL Democrats, not quislings.

[ananda]

74. My short easy answer: never will I ever vote for you..

.. after what you did to Al Franken.

[Wintryjade]

75. I enjoyed the show.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

76. While she's thinking about it

she might want to take into consideration her kneecapping of Al Franken, and then decide against it.

[Mojo2]

77. No

After what she did to Franken, I couldnt vote for her

[Historic NY]

80. Wait shes doing a u-turn now....thats not good.

[link:https://nypost.com/2018/10/25/gillibrand-i-wont-run-for-president-in-2020-if-re-elected-to-senate/|]

She might as well have stabbed herself in the back.

[MrsCoffee]

135. That's quite a hit piece you've linked there.

Seems to support the Republican candidate.

[Historic NY]

143. You think, she said it in her debate

“I will serve my six-year term,” Gillibrand, 51, said when asked about her presidential prospects during an at times heated debate in Manhattan against her GOP challenger Chele Farley.

she also made the statement back on May of 2017

[MrsCoffee]

145. What does that have to do with linking to a hit piece that favors the republican?

[Sunsky]

84. Nah. I'll pass on this nt

[budkin]

85. Hell no

Just no.

[Horse with no Name]

86. I can think of 40-50 others I'd rather vote for

But while I’d never cast a primary vote for her, I’d hold my nose and vote in the general for her.

[Baltimike]

87. I will vote for ANY Democrat, even her, just hop0ing it's not. nt

[crazycatlady]

90. I've never seen a Democrat so hated on a DEMOCRATIC forum

I like her, and possibly would vote for her.

However, I would rather have someone not from NY (and I say this as someone born and raised in NY) on the ticket against Trump.

(Cuomo was my dark horse pick in 2016. I knew he wouldn't get in, but I liked him anyways.)

[helpisontheway]

93. I will pass..she threw Franken under the bus and ran over him a few times. Nt

[brush]

151. Hahahahaha! Backed up a couple times and gunned it, huh?

That's funny.

She should just think long and hard and no.

[Luciferous]

96. After Franken? No thanks.

[NCjack]

98. I like Martin O'Malley. nt

[Gidney N Cloyd]

99. If she were from a smaller, less media rich state, we'd never be hearing about her.

[Mojo2]

101. Zero Chance

After what she did to Al Franken, I would never support her on any ticket

[itsrobert]

102. Next

As in not even considering her.

[LakeArenal]

103. Nope nope nope...

[revmclaren]

104. I'll give voting for Gillibrand in the 2020 Primary a 'long, hard thought of consideration'

too ...

...

...

...

Nope!



Only! 2019 and beyond.

[lunamagica]

105. Nope

[Awsi Dooger]

109. It wouldn't matter because she'll be quickly shocked at how poorly she fares

Same with McAuliffe and several others.

I don't trust Gillibrand's instincts, as others have posted. I wouldn't be confident in her reactions to anything Trump says or does.

Great Democrat but she is in the correct job

[Trumpocalypse]

112. Poorly she fares?

Is that why she won re-election with 66% of the vote and why the audience cheered when she answered Colbert’s question. If the primary were to be held in the DU bubble, you might be right, but unfortunately it will be held in the real world.

[Trumpocalypse]

111. Brave of you to post this

Despite the fact that Gillibrand won re-election with 66% of the vote and has the most anti-Trump voting record in the Senate, many here in the DU bubble will always hate her, yet oddly still love Harris, Warren and Sanders. The even ignore the cheers of The Late Show audience when she answered Colbert’s question.

[unitedwethrive]

118. Not going to happen.

Among my many Liberal friends and acquaintances (I live in the bay area, so pretty much everyone I know) no one has her anywhere near the top of their 2020 “wish list”. And many are openly hostile because of what she did to Al.

[oberliner]

119. She just won re-election in New York by 33 points.

She is definitely more popular and well-known on the east coast than in the bay area.

[Trumpocalypse]

122. She is very popular in NY

Only those in the DU bubble don’t like hey.

[LisaL]

125. What bubble do you have to live in to think that those popular in NY have countrywide appeal?

[Trumpocalypse]

138. Hillary Clinton

Trump
RFK
FDR

[LisaL]

142. Hillary lost the election to Trump.

So I don't know if she should be used as an example of a country wide appeal.

[Trumpocalypse]

147. She won the popular vote.

But I’ve given you four examples of New Yorkers who had nationwide appeal.

[mtnsnake]

154. No she's not

She's my senator, and of all my fellow democrats who I'm acquainted with in NY, I can only think of one of them who actually likes her. The rest of them can't stand her.

The only reason she won in NY by the margin she did is because it's a blue state and she didn't have anyone serious running against her.

[Trumpocalypse]

157. Cuomo got 59%

So he must be more unpopular than Gillibrand. Letitia James got 62% of the vote. She must more unpopular than Gillibrand too.

And why did The Late Show audience cheer when Gillibrand said she would consider running for President? Is that how the show their disapproval?

[mtnsnake]

167. You're judging Gillibrand's popularity by the cheer she received on The Late Show? LOL

[Trumpocalypse]

168. No

I’m saying that she was cheered and not booed plus she got 66% of vote, more than any other Dem in NY; thus there is no real world proof of her unpopularity as claimed by many in the DU bubble.

[LanternWaste]

171. Who argued she's not more popular and well-known on the east coast?

[Vinnie From Indy]

126. Not a fan

[mtnsnake]

127. Gillibrand would get crushed in the Democraitc Primary but what scares me most

is that the winner of the primary might choose her to be his or her running mate.

She can't be trusted.

She wasn't even elected to the NY Senate. She was appointed, but that's besides the point. The only reason she was elected to represent the 20th District of NY in 2007 was because she pandered to the right wing population in that area with her pro-gun and anti-immigration stances. After she was appointed by Governor Paterson to fill Hillary's senatorial seat, she all of a sudden realized she better start sounding a little more left of center or she'd have no chance of surviving any future statewide election in NY.

What I would fear the most is that in a general election, Kirsten Gillibrand would revert back to her right-of-center stances from her old days just to appeal to a wider range of voters like she did back in 2007 to win in a red leaning area of the state. Hopefully she won't get that chance.

[MrsCoffee]

131. She just crushed her election with 66.5% of the votes.

None of this misplaced anger at DU reflects in the real world.

[Sunsky]

137. Was she primaried?

Because winning an election in a state that tends to vote Democratic, is different than competing against fellow Democrats for the same pool of voters.
I don't believe she would survive the primary election.

[brush]

152. Do yourself a favor and count the anti v pro posts on this long thread...

of Democrats. There are only 3 or 4 posters who are pro-Gillebrand.

That should tell you something about her chances.

[MrsCoffee]

155. We've all seen the DU bubbles before.

Democrats across the country like her.

[brush]

156. DU is made up of Democrats across the country.

[MrsCoffee]

159. Ok.

[Mr. Ected]

136. Not a fan

Of her or any other Dem that ran Al Franken out of Washington without a thorough investigation.

[Doremus]

149. Not ever. Not after Franken. We need someone with intelligence, not a tendency

to grandstand for no good reason.

We have one like that right now, don't need another.

[BlueStater]

150. And I'm giving her a long, hard pass. n/t

[Different Drummer]

163. If she is the Democratic nominee in 2020, I will support her.

In the primaries?! Fuhgeddaboudit!

[Thekaspervote]

165. NO absolutely no! After what she did to Franken NO

[kimbutgar]

166. I still have bitter feelings for her for what she did to Al Franken

[MoonRiver]

170. Ugh