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NOV 26 at 7PM - The Town Hall NYC Presents Bernie Sanders Where We Go From Here (Original Post) Donkees Nov 2018 OP
Why does the word 'Progressive' make me think more of Wellstone than Sanders? Bfd Nov 2018 #1
Yes, and the ad talks about their struggles the last "two" R B Garr Nov 2018 #2
Health care certainly. Clintons & Gores were the first to address the AIDS epidemic Bfd Nov 2018 #4
Sen. Sanders was a founding member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus in 1991 ... Donkees Nov 2018 #3
Then Why did he fight Progressive Senator Wellstone on Sierra Blanca Texas? Bfd Nov 2018 #5
HOLY SHIT !! !! did NOT know about that dumping of waste thing...wow Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #29
Ya. It was a nasty battle in the Senate. Bfd Nov 2018 #30
Weird who was on their side and who wasnt. Sad. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #32
While Minnesota stores nuclear waste right next to Tribal land, and had plans to ship Donkees Nov 2018 #33
Wellstone & Kerry fought Sanders on that bill. Wellstone called it "environmental racism." ehrnst Nov 2018 #38
I guess Bernie thought his constituents would rather dump toxic waste in that little town, pnwmom Nov 2018 #45
Did you seriously just ask that question? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #7
Then explain Post #5. That is where it gets confusing. Bfd Nov 2018 #9
Nah, not goin' down that primary rabbit hole. It's over and done with. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #15
Why does the invite only mention the last "two years"? R B Garr Nov 2018 #16
Paul Wellstone is who holds that Progressive honor. Bfd Nov 2018 #18
Great info. Puts things into perspective about joining Senate clubs R B Garr Nov 2018 #20
The man walked his talk every day of his selfless life. Bfd Nov 2018 #21
We should all be so lucky to be HALF the person Wellstone was. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #23
Yup. It is really unfortunate that he cannot be honored without a pitiful fight. Bfd Nov 2018 #26
Sanders was in a primary against Paul Wellstone? I learn something every day.... George II Nov 2018 #25
Progressive is defined in always moving forward. The Democratic Party is the very definition. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #6
Thank you Bfd Nov 2018 #8
"Destroy to Rebuild" is Susan Sarandon philosophy. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #10
It is a lot of people's idea. Far from the majority but the RW has a section that believe that also. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #12
That makes a lot of sense! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #14
Evolution is much more effective than revolution. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #11
Tent not only moved but made little to hold only one view. See, this would be progressively Wintryjade Nov 2018 #13
Wow. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #19
Exactly. Bfd Nov 2018 #22
Yep Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #24
That is QUITE a photo. n/t seaglass Nov 2018 #17
It's for sale on AMAZON. Bfd Nov 2018 #28
Surprised? George II Nov 2018 #34
Expected it. Bfd Nov 2018 #35
I'm wondering why he's doing this? The reason I ask is that the announcement says: George II Nov 2018 #27
LOL. Bfd Nov 2018 #36
He got a mouse in his pocket? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #31
Uh oh Bfd Nov 2018 #37
I thought that book title looked familiar but couldn't place it. Now I've got it..... George II Nov 2018 #39
Pretty bold of Bernie Sanders. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #40
Well, uh... "bold" is not the word that comes to my mind. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #41
Woke up this morning totally clueless. Personally, I am bothered the more I think about this. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #42
What bothers me is the "we". grantcart Nov 2018 #49
Instead of doing the actual work he needs to do with the AA community, he does a PR lite to try Wintryjade Nov 2018 #50
The whole issue Bernie Sanders has with he AA community and he thought this was a good idea. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #43
Maybe Dr. King gave him permission to use it when they marched on Washington together? George II Nov 2018 #44
I am more and more in disbelief Sanders thought this a good idea as I process he did this. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #46
Book titles don't generally fall under copyright. nt pnwmom Nov 2018 #48
This was obviously a coincidence and not plagiarism on the part of Senator Sanders The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #51
Presented by Sominex BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #47
 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
1. Why does the word 'Progressive' make me think more of Wellstone than Sanders?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:04 PM
Nov 2018

Did Sanders ever i.d. himself as a Progressive prior to 2015/16?

Just asking.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
2. Yes, and the ad talks about their struggles the last "two"
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:23 PM
Nov 2018

years. I remember progressives from literally decades ago campaigning on climate change and health care — thanks to Clinton/Gore for leading the way when it wasn’t cool and trendy.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
4. Health care certainly. Clintons & Gores were the first to address the AIDS epidemic
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:54 PM
Nov 2018

That's damn progressive for that era. Nobody else would go near that subject.
President Bill & First Lady Hillary Clinton answered those cries for help.

And yes, on climate change, Gore should have been our President. That was his priority.
And I personally believe that Al Gor's Presedency was deneed him because of his brilliant & Progressive policies he would bring as Pres.
The Oil& Coal & Big money polluters of the world had to keep him from interfering with their profits by his environmentalist policies.
Thus, 2000 Bush vs Gore


On the Health of our Nation -1992
The Clintons, Gay Rights & AIDS

SNIP
Here’s what the Human Rights Commission had to say about Hillary Clinton’s national and international LGBT record:

“Clinton has a long record as a champion for LGBT rights both in the U.S. and, notably, around the globe. As Secretary of State, Clinton became the first in her position to robustly advocate for LGBT equality throughout the world, making a historic and forceful speech to the United Nations declaring that “gay rights are human rights.” In the Senate, she helped lead on bills to protect LGBT workers from employment discrimination, and had a strong record on key votes and legislation that mattered to LGBT Americans.”

Before President Clinton, no US President gave a damn about gay rights or the mounting death toll in the LGBT community from AIDS. This changed dramatically in 1992 upon the election of Bill Clinton.

Clinton set the tone for his presidency by inviting the N.A.M.E.S. Project to include sections of the AIDS Memorial Quilt in his 1993 inaugural parade. In his two terms in office, Bill Clinton never wavered in wrangling money in his budgets for programs caring for the sick or to preserve vital research funding for effective treatments and to find a cure.

How soon we seem to forget who our friends are!

When the AIDS Memorial Quilt was displayed in the National Mall in 1992 it contained 40,000 panels and covered 24 football fields.


photo from NPR of the President and First Lady viewing one of the panels.

According to a recent story on NPR, from 1987 until today, the Quilt has grown to 48,000 panels – signifying the deaths of 94,000 people. Thru the 1980’s and 1990’s, the Quilt grew at a rate of 11,000 panels per year. Today it has dwindled to 1-2 a day.



Keith Molter shares his story of being at the Quilt in Washington DC in 1996 when by chance he witnessed Bill and Hillary Clinton visit the Quilt seeking out a specific quilt made in honor of a longtime friend of hers. Keith recalls:

It was stone silent on the vast Washington Mall. No fanfare. No hoopla. They simply went and we had stumbled upon it.

Silence. Stillness. They got out of their motorcade hand in hand and walked through the Quilt.

It was THE first time it was ever acknowledged by anyone of any higher level in government. They stood. They prayed. They looked at a few other panels. They wiped tears. We were 100 feet away. As they turned to leave, the still silence was broken by a squelching sound, like an animal in deep pain. It was me screaming “Thank you!” through my sobs, my voice cracking. They both turned. He put his hand up in a still wave and nodded his head -his mouth doing that mouth/chin thing he does. They turned and left.

I was there. They were there – maybe too late for some that we lost. But they were there as soon as they could – once the country elected two people who actually cared.



Now this is Democratic Progressive politics.
Environment, Health etc

Donkees

(31,390 posts)
3. Sen. Sanders was a founding member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus in 1991 ...
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:43 PM
Nov 2018

He served as the first chairman of the caucus (1991-1999) and remains a member as senator.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
5. Then Why did he fight Progressive Senator Wellstone on Sierra Blanca Texas?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:06 PM
Nov 2018

That was not a display of progressive environmental nor health policies.
It was Wellstone who fought Sanders in the Senate against VT toxic waste dumping, in the poorest Latino town, Sierra Blanca, Tx
1998


Here google has several to choose from.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&ei=2n7sW6W3CYy9jwT5-IigAQ&ins=false&q=sierra+blancatx+Sanders+toxic+waste+dumping&oq=sierra+blancatx+Sanders+toxic+waste+dumping&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..33i10i299l2.5999.31723..32170...1.0..0.199.5424.6j40....3..0....1.........0j46j0i71j35i39j46i67j0i20i263j46i20i263j46i39j35i304i39j46i13j0i13j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160j0i8i13i30j33i10i160j33i299.VdXRFChSapI#scso=_-37sW5DfManEjwShh6TIBA15:832

Not sure I see the Progressive claim since there are a few very important events in history that contradict it.
Which is why I asked when he began to i.d. himself as a Progressive champion

Just trying to sort through this all.
Thanks for your assist.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
30. Ya. It was a nasty battle in the Senate.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:22 PM
Nov 2018

Eventually, I believe the people of Sierra Blanca were spared thanks to the valiant efforts of Progressive Senator Paul Wellstone, but the dumping was relocated to another area owned by multimillionaire pal of (then) Texas Govenor GW Bush.

It was a case of toxic dump shopping of States & the profitting of the Big Corporate Millionaires who contracted that business.

It was a nasty classic case of the Little Guy vs the Big Corporation. What was on the line for the Sierra Blanca residents, was their health & their lives.

The toxic dump site simply got relocated but Sen Wellstone succeeded in single handedly saving the lives of Sierra Blanca.

Now THAT is a Progressive.

Donkees

(31,390 posts)
33. While Minnesota stores nuclear waste right next to Tribal land, and had plans to ship
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:22 PM
Nov 2018

it to Shoshone land.

"They've said it was temporary," said Ron Johnson, secretary of the Prairie Island Indian Community. "This fuel was supposed to have been removed in the 1990s. We translate that to mean it's probably more of a permanent storage facility."


Today, more than 1.9 million pounds of nuclear waste, stored in 39 dry-cask storage containers, remain on Prairie Island. The stored toxic waste is expected to grow to a total of 98 casks of spent fuel generated by the plant through the end of its current operating license. Presently, there is no prospective site for a repository, let alone progress toward the construction or licensing of one.

Twin nuclear reactors and 39 large steel nuclear waste storage casks sit just 600 yards from Prairie Island tribal homes. A total of 98 casks could be stranded on Prairie Island indefinitely unless the federal government fulfills its commitment to create a permanent storage solution.


Minnesota still needs a repository

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. Wellstone & Kerry fought Sanders on that bill. Wellstone called it "environmental racism."
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 09:35 AM
Nov 2018

Mr. Wellstone fought on the floor to add amendments that would give this poor Hispanic community the legal right to stop this dump site if it could prove racial discrimination factored into placing the site, which Mr. Wellstone proved was in fact the case during his speech.


When it came up for a vote in May 1998, Sanders listened to 12 anti-dump delegates as they outlined their concerns. The next day, he spoke in favor of the bill because of its "strong support" in all three states.



Also, when the Senate first approved the deal in the spring, Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., attached a measure that allowed Sierra Blanca residents to file federal discrimination suits if they opposed the compact.

Those amendments were opposed by Maine Yankee, which wants the right to sell off any unused space in the dump site, and Gov. Angus King and other state lawmakers, who said they would consider lawsuits a prohibitive delay to the project ever being finished.

If it were passed with amendments, the compact would also have to go back for approval to the three states, each of which has approved the deal. Voters in Maine gave approval by a three-to-one margin in a 1993 referendum.

When the House and Senate hammered out a single bill, supporters of the compact won out, and the amendments were simply tossed aside. Because of that, Wellstone has promised to force a fearsome debate on the issue and the overarching issue of what he calls “environmental racism.”

“I will use every parliamentary tool available to try and block this shameful bill,” Wellstone said.


Sanders eventually voted to have the Wellstone amendments stripped out of the Texas-Maine-Vermont Compact bill in conference.

https://archive.bangordailynews.com/1998/07/30/maine-vermont-nuclear-waste-compact-approved-by-house/



pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
45. I guess Bernie thought his constituents would rather dump toxic waste in that little town,
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:47 PM
Nov 2018

than find somewhere in Vermont to treat it and dispose of it.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
7. Did you seriously just ask that question?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:26 PM
Nov 2018

Good lord

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
The CPC was established in 1991 by six members of the United States House of Representatives, namely U.S. Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Thomas Andrews (D-ME), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Additional House Members joined soon thereafter, including Major Owens (D-NY), Nydia Velázquez (D-NY), David Bonior (D-MI), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Patsy Mink (D-HI), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA), John Olver (D-MA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) and Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). Sanders was the convener and first CPC Chairman. Bill Goold served as Staff Coordinator for the Progressive Caucus in its early years until 1998.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
9. Then explain Post #5. That is where it gets confusing.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:33 PM
Nov 2018

Thanks!


5. Then Why did he fight Progressive Senator Wellstone on Sierra Blanca Texas?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
15. Nah, not goin' down that primary rabbit hole. It's over and done with.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:49 PM
Nov 2018

Just glad you now know about The Progressive Caucus.

Better late than never, I guess.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
16. Why does the invite only mention the last "two years"?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

Are prior years off limits for the townhall for any legitimate reason??

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
18. Paul Wellstone is who holds that Progressive honor.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:52 PM
Nov 2018

He was the only voice who fought & won for the Latinos in Sierra Blanca & his entire lifes work was for the common man, over the Big Corporation. Like the one ready to dump their toxic waste on a minority community.


Paul Wellstone Epitomized the Progressive Values.
He lived it, & championed for it.
Not when it was just convenient either.

Whether this took place today, yesterday or in the 90's is irrelevant.

The facts remain in one's history & define our legacy.

This is why I asked when Sanders began advocating as a champion of progressive values.

We can address it or pretend it never happened
For me, it has legitimate cause to question.

Thanks for all the info given here.
Appreciate it in understanding his positions.


R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
20. Great info. Puts things into perspective about joining Senate clubs
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:33 PM
Nov 2018

versus the actual applications of progressivism. Not harming poor people seems like a basic progressive goal. Thanks for this remembrance about Wellstone.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
21. The man walked his talk every day of his selfless life.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:38 PM
Nov 2018

What he built under the progressive name, has devolved to a picking apart of what soundbite gets the most audience.
Some but not all.

Pitiful

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
23. We should all be so lucky to be HALF the person Wellstone was.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:01 PM
Nov 2018

In a different environment we could discuss the VAST differences between him and others.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
26. Yup. It is really unfortunate that he cannot be honored without a pitiful fight.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:05 PM
Nov 2018

We need more Paul Wellstones.
A LOT more.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. Sanders was in a primary against Paul Wellstone? I learn something every day....
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:03 PM
Nov 2018

...better late than never, I guess.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
6. Progressive is defined in always moving forward. The Democratic Party is the very definition.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:24 PM
Nov 2018

What I am seeing with those taking ownership of progressive are those that feel we have to destroy all, and gain everything, now. That is not progressing. Generally, it is DIgressing.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
12. It is a lot of people's idea. Far from the majority but the RW has a section that believe that also.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:39 PM
Nov 2018

So they rise, or whatever that is. Redemption day or something. They are generally the most fearful too, which lead them toward authoritarian views.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. That makes a lot of sense!
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:42 PM
Nov 2018
They are generally the most fearful too, which lead them toward authoritarian views.
That makes a lot of sense!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Evolution is much more effective than revolution.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:37 PM
Nov 2018

We're watching a lot of people ask for inclusion into the Big Tent; yet when they're invited, they righteously demand the tent be moved to where they're standing.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
13. Tent not only moved but made little to hold only one view. See, this would be progressively
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

feeling this issue out. What Democrats are so good at. Thank you.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
24. Yep
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:01 PM
Nov 2018

Basic politics 101 needs to be taught to anyone running for office or anyone claiming to know about politics.

Rule #1, demanding all or nothing in legislation almost always results in nothing. Maybe always.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. I'm wondering why he's doing this? The reason I ask is that the announcement says:
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:07 PM
Nov 2018

BERNIE SANDERS, NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR

not..........

BERNIE SANDERS, UNITED STATES SENATOR

As we old Brooklyn boys say, "how come is that?"



George II

(67,782 posts)
39. I thought that book title looked familiar but couldn't place it. Now I've got it.....
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:02 PM
Nov 2018

It's (almost) the title of MLK Jr.'s book from 1967!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. Well, uh... "bold" is not the word that comes to my mind.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:43 PM
Nov 2018

And in this case, I think the LESS I say about that, the better... for obvious reasons.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
50. Instead of doing the actual work he needs to do with the AA community, he does a PR lite to try
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:55 PM
Nov 2018

and accomplish that tie in to the AA community. He also left revolution behind for our Resistance. This is old behavior and has to be called out, adopting our stuff as his own.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
46. I am more and more in disbelief Sanders thought this a good idea as I process he did this.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:50 PM
Nov 2018

Who would think this was a good idea?

The Polack MSgt

(13,188 posts)
51. This was obviously a coincidence and not plagiarism on the part of Senator Sanders
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:39 PM
Nov 2018

I'm sure he had no recollection of Dr. Kings book, and would have reworded his title if told about it.

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