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(1,406 posts)Did Sanders ever i.d. himself as a Progressive prior to 2015/16?
Just asking.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)years. I remember progressives from literally decades ago campaigning on climate change and health care thanks to Clinton/Gore for leading the way when it wasnt cool and trendy.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)That's damn progressive for that era. Nobody else would go near that subject.
President Bill & First Lady Hillary Clinton answered those cries for help.
And yes, on climate change, Gore should have been our President. That was his priority.
And I personally believe that Al Gor's Presedency was deneed him because of his brilliant & Progressive policies he would bring as Pres.
The Oil& Coal & Big money polluters of the world had to keep him from interfering with their profits by his environmentalist policies.
Thus, 2000 Bush vs Gore
On the Health of our Nation -1992
The Clintons, Gay Rights & AIDS
SNIP
Heres what the Human Rights Commission had to say about Hillary Clintons national and international LGBT record:
Clinton has a long record as a champion for LGBT rights both in the U.S. and, notably, around the globe. As Secretary of State, Clinton became the first in her position to robustly advocate for LGBT equality throughout the world, making a historic and forceful speech to the United Nations declaring that gay rights are human rights. In the Senate, she helped lead on bills to protect LGBT workers from employment discrimination, and had a strong record on key votes and legislation that mattered to LGBT Americans.
Before President Clinton, no US President gave a damn about gay rights or the mounting death toll in the LGBT community from AIDS. This changed dramatically in 1992 upon the election of Bill Clinton.
Clinton set the tone for his presidency by inviting the N.A.M.E.S. Project to include sections of the AIDS Memorial Quilt in his 1993 inaugural parade. In his two terms in office, Bill Clinton never wavered in wrangling money in his budgets for programs caring for the sick or to preserve vital research funding for effective treatments and to find a cure.
How soon we seem to forget who our friends are!
When the AIDS Memorial Quilt was displayed in the National Mall in 1992 it contained 40,000 panels and covered 24 football fields.
photo from NPR of the President and First Lady viewing one of the panels.
According to a recent story on NPR, from 1987 until today, the Quilt has grown to 48,000 panels signifying the deaths of 94,000 people. Thru the 1980s and 1990s, the Quilt grew at a rate of 11,000 panels per year. Today it has dwindled to 1-2 a day.
Keith Molter shares his story of being at the Quilt in Washington DC in 1996 when by chance he witnessed Bill and Hillary Clinton visit the Quilt seeking out a specific quilt made in honor of a longtime friend of hers. Keith recalls:
It was stone silent on the vast Washington Mall. No fanfare. No hoopla. They simply went and we had stumbled upon it.
Silence. Stillness. They got out of their motorcade hand in hand and walked through the Quilt.
It was THE first time it was ever acknowledged by anyone of any higher level in government. They stood. They prayed. They looked at a few other panels. They wiped tears. We were 100 feet away. As they turned to leave, the still silence was broken by a squelching sound, like an animal in deep pain. It was me screaming Thank you! through my sobs, my voice cracking. They both turned. He put his hand up in a still wave and nodded his head -his mouth doing that mouth/chin thing he does. They turned and left.
I was there. They were there maybe too late for some that we lost. But they were there as soon as they could once the country elected two people who actually cared.
Now this is Democratic Progressive politics.
Environment, Health etc
Donkees
(31,390 posts)He served as the first chairman of the caucus (1991-1999) and remains a member as senator.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)That was not a display of progressive environmental nor health policies.
It was Wellstone who fought Sanders in the Senate against VT toxic waste dumping, in the poorest Latino town, Sierra Blanca, Tx
1998
Here google has several to choose from.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&ei=2n7sW6W3CYy9jwT5-IigAQ&ins=false&q=sierra+blancatx+Sanders+toxic+waste+dumping&oq=sierra+blancatx+Sanders+toxic+waste+dumping&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..33i10i299l2.5999.31723..32170...1.0..0.199.5424.6j40....3..0....1.........0j46j0i71j35i39j46i67j0i20i263j46i20i263j46i39j35i304i39j46i13j0i13j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160j0i8i13i30j33i10i160j33i299.VdXRFChSapI#scso=_-37sW5DfManEjwShh6TIBA15:832
Not sure I see the Progressive claim since there are a few very important events in history that contradict it.
Which is why I asked when he began to i.d. himself as a Progressive champion
Just trying to sort through this all.
Thanks for your assist.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)Eventually, I believe the people of Sierra Blanca were spared thanks to the valiant efforts of Progressive Senator Paul Wellstone, but the dumping was relocated to another area owned by multimillionaire pal of (then) Texas Govenor GW Bush.
It was a case of toxic dump shopping of States & the profitting of the Big Corporate Millionaires who contracted that business.
It was a nasty classic case of the Little Guy vs the Big Corporation. What was on the line for the Sierra Blanca residents, was their health & their lives.
The toxic dump site simply got relocated but Sen Wellstone succeeded in single handedly saving the lives of Sierra Blanca.
Now THAT is a Progressive.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Donkees
(31,390 posts)it to Shoshone land.
Twin nuclear reactors and 39 large steel nuclear waste storage casks sit just 600 yards from Prairie Island tribal homes. A total of 98 casks could be stranded on Prairie Island indefinitely unless the federal government fulfills its commitment to create a permanent storage solution.
Minnesota still needs a repository
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Mr. Wellstone fought on the floor to add amendments that would give this poor Hispanic community the legal right to stop this dump site if it could prove racial discrimination factored into placing the site, which Mr. Wellstone proved was in fact the case during his speech.
When it came up for a vote in May 1998, Sanders listened to 12 anti-dump delegates as they outlined their concerns. The next day, he spoke in favor of the bill because of its "strong support" in all three states.
Those amendments were opposed by Maine Yankee, which wants the right to sell off any unused space in the dump site, and Gov. Angus King and other state lawmakers, who said they would consider lawsuits a prohibitive delay to the project ever being finished.
If it were passed with amendments, the compact would also have to go back for approval to the three states, each of which has approved the deal. Voters in Maine gave approval by a three-to-one margin in a 1993 referendum.
When the House and Senate hammered out a single bill, supporters of the compact won out, and the amendments were simply tossed aside. Because of that, Wellstone has promised to force a fearsome debate on the issue and the overarching issue of what he calls environmental racism.
I will use every parliamentary tool available to try and block this shameful bill, Wellstone said.
Sanders eventually voted to have the Wellstone amendments stripped out of the Texas-Maine-Vermont Compact bill in conference.
https://archive.bangordailynews.com/1998/07/30/maine-vermont-nuclear-waste-compact-approved-by-house/
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)than find somewhere in Vermont to treat it and dispose of it.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Good lord
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
The CPC was established in 1991 by six members of the United States House of Representatives, namely U.S. Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Thomas Andrews (D-ME), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Additional House Members joined soon thereafter, including Major Owens (D-NY), Nydia Velázquez (D-NY), David Bonior (D-MI), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Patsy Mink (D-HI), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA), John Olver (D-MA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) and Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). Sanders was the convener and first CPC Chairman. Bill Goold served as Staff Coordinator for the Progressive Caucus in its early years until 1998.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Thanks!
5. Then Why did he fight Progressive Senator Wellstone on Sierra Blanca Texas?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Just glad you now know about The Progressive Caucus.
Better late than never, I guess.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Are prior years off limits for the townhall for any legitimate reason??
Bfd
(1,406 posts)He was the only voice who fought & won for the Latinos in Sierra Blanca & his entire lifes work was for the common man, over the Big Corporation. Like the one ready to dump their toxic waste on a minority community.
Paul Wellstone Epitomized the Progressive Values.
He lived it, & championed for it.
Not when it was just convenient either.
Whether this took place today, yesterday or in the 90's is irrelevant.
The facts remain in one's history & define our legacy.
This is why I asked when Sanders began advocating as a champion of progressive values.
We can address it or pretend it never happened
For me, it has legitimate cause to question.
Thanks for all the info given here.
Appreciate it in understanding his positions.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)versus the actual applications of progressivism. Not harming poor people seems like a basic progressive goal. Thanks for this remembrance about Wellstone.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)What he built under the progressive name, has devolved to a picking apart of what soundbite gets the most audience.
Some but not all.
Pitiful
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)In a different environment we could discuss the VAST differences between him and others.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)We need more Paul Wellstones.
A LOT more.
George II
(67,782 posts)...better late than never, I guess.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)What I am seeing with those taking ownership of progressive are those that feel we have to destroy all, and gain everything, now. That is not progressing. Generally, it is DIgressing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fuck Susan Sarandon and her stupid philosophy!
Wintryjade
(814 posts)So they rise, or whatever that is. Redemption day or something. They are generally the most fearful too, which lead them toward authoritarian views.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We're watching a lot of people ask for inclusion into the Big Tent; yet when they're invited, they righteously demand the tent be moved to where they're standing.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)feeling this issue out. What Democrats are so good at. Thank you.
This exactly.
Thanks.
Thank you, Wintryjade
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Basic politics 101 needs to be taught to anyone running for office or anyone claiming to know about politics.
Rule #1, demanding all or nothing in legislation almost always results in nothing. Maybe always.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)BERNIE SANDERS, NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR
not..........
BERNIE SANDERS, UNITED STATES SENATOR
As we old Brooklyn boys say, "how come is that?"
Sorry. I just find it humorous.
Night DU.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)It's (almost) the title of MLK Jr.'s book from 1967!
Wintryjade
(814 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And in this case, I think the LESS I say about that, the better... for obvious reasons.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Wintryjade
(814 posts)and accomplish that tie in to the AA community. He also left revolution behind for our Resistance. This is old behavior and has to be called out, adopting our stuff as his own.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Wintryjade
(814 posts)Who would think this was a good idea?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)I'm sure he had no recollection of Dr. Kings book, and would have reworded his title if told about it.