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Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:02 PM Nov 2018

And ANOTHER thing . . . . . !

Nancy Pelosi isn't flashy. She isn't a trash talker. She isn't a camera hog.

She has a low key demeanor. The fact that she is incredibly effective at her job and has successfully kept her caucus in line and together often gets overlooked. She runs things like a woman. She builds consensus. She listens. She shares. She's inclusive.

Some people seem to think that's weakness.

It ain't.

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And ANOTHER thing . . . . . ! (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 OP
AND, she's got some kind of voodoo magic MontanaMama Nov 2018 #1
Nancy is a model for other Legislators on how to be powerful and perfectly poised/effective. Rene Nov 2018 #56
Damn straight Hekate Nov 2018 #2
She has so much to teach eleny Nov 2018 #3
She's giving master classes in leadership Lars39 Nov 2018 #7
I heard she invented Velcro SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #25
Also invented Teflon. Stupid people's crapola slides right off. sprinkleeninow Nov 2018 #36
What does "like a woman" mean? MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #4
He answered that in his sentences that followed... eleny Nov 2018 #12
+1 dchill Nov 2018 #20
Women are from Venus....😘😍 sprinkleeninow Nov 2018 #37
That is why the GOP HATES her and why we NEED her. GemDigger Nov 2018 #5
I'm pro gung Nancy, watoos Nov 2018 #10
This is what I see as the (my) problem... GemDigger Nov 2018 #14
Steny has a long history of fighting for rank & file Fed workers bigbrother05 Nov 2018 #16
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #49
Steny Hoyer isn't trying to take Speaker of the House away from Nancy Pelosi. He supports her. He is skylucy Nov 2018 #53
Just curious - I have heard that a lot...GOP hates her because she does so well. How do Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #26
They don't have Hillary anymore to attack blue cat Nov 2018 #42
Yup... Hillary is golden for them for a long time. If she Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #47
they hate her doubly because she's a woman barbtries Nov 2018 #57
Republicans will demonize any Dem leader vlyons Nov 2018 #28
I agree...but it takes a long time for the hate and Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #48
And she mentors! George II Nov 2018 #6
What is THE reason or THE reasons why some of these democrats want her out? Doreen Nov 2018 #8
really i think the main reason is that republicans have attacked her for their own reasons unblock Nov 2018 #15
Because others have political aspirations of their own. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #17
+1000. Nt Heartstrings Nov 2018 #40
Excellent OP. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #9
I'm sticking with the one who brung me randr Nov 2018 #11
Absolutely. calimary Nov 2018 #46
She's a professional who gets shit done. What's not to love? nt Hamlette Nov 2018 #13
It appears that what her detractors are looking for is this: DFW Nov 2018 #18
Well said! iluvtennis Nov 2018 #19
She is absolutely trusworthy. Under promises and over delivers grantcart Nov 2018 #21
I think Barney Frank said she's the only one who never lied to me. gibraltar72 Nov 2018 #22
She's damn near perfect for the job actually. Nt BootinUp Nov 2018 #23
K&R betsuni Nov 2018 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #27
Kick and Amen lamp_shade Nov 2018 #29
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2018 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #31
I often attend meetings of one of our local murielm99 Nov 2018 #32
Pelosi Rocks. ☺ Sloumeau Nov 2018 #33
K&R red dog 1 Nov 2018 #34
The GOP has framed her for us and we bought it...just like Hillary. allgood33 Nov 2018 #35
Actually, she runs things like a Democrat. BaileyBill Nov 2018 #38
Get thee to the greatest section! ffr Nov 2018 #39
Now what do you have against our beloved Malaise ???? Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #43
What do I have against tree frogs? ffr Nov 2018 #50
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #58
Right on lillypaddle Nov 2018 #41
People have a distorted view of leadership, especially republicans, because... rwsanders Nov 2018 #44
ImWithHer! oasis Nov 2018 #45
Absolutely agree gademocrat7 Nov 2018 #51
With Pelosi we have a proven doer, mover and shaker. barbtries Nov 2018 #52
Bingo! Little Star Nov 2018 #54
The problem isn't her. It's the current political climate. nolabear Nov 2018 #55

MontanaMama

(23,308 posts)
1. AND, she's got some kind of voodoo magic
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:06 PM
Nov 2018

that she does to the Shit Stain that makes him say nice things about her. She keeps her friends close and her enemies closer. Not many Dems in leadership positions have that going on.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
12. He answered that in his sentences that followed...
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:49 PM
Nov 2018

"She builds consensus. She listens. She shares. She's inclusive."

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
5. That is why the GOP HATES her and why we NEED her.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:14 PM
Nov 2018

She is a powerhouse that at this point in history should not be replaced. This is not about me or you (not you), this is about the security of our country. It is now a global security problem and the newbies need to chill and let us get the important shit done before they have their tantrum. Important shit: Russia, cyber security, voting rights and all that goes with it. They will have time to do the other stuff but that is not on the priority list right now.

I mean no offense to our young up and coming lawmakers but they remind me of the new guy in the office that on day 1 think they know more than the owner of the company.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. I'm pro gung Nancy,
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:36 PM
Nov 2018

but we should take a look at Steny Hoyer, What has he done as #2? We could put some young blood in at majority leader.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
14. This is what I see as the (my) problem...
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:57 PM
Nov 2018

I never heard his name before. I don't know what he stands for, I don't know what he has done.

Anyone who wants to take her place has to have a track record and already be known and noticed among his/her peers. The replacement also needs to be someone that the majority of the D's (the me and you D's) support. If this were any other time in our history I wouldn't be such a pain about the choice.

It doesn't matter what I think anyhow. The party will do what the party will do. Off I go to google Steny Hoyer. (Edited) OK, he isn't a new lawmaker at least. But he certainly isn't "young blood" I was thinking of someone between 35 and 55 (give or take) who can hang in there for a few decades.


bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
16. Steny has a long history of fighting for rank & file Fed workers
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:06 PM
Nov 2018

His district is outside of DC and that is a primary constituency. He's been a strong inside player to foster good government operations.

Again, not flashy but effective, supports unions.

Never been my Congressman, but as a career Fed he's had my back.

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
53. Steny Hoyer isn't trying to take Speaker of the House away from Nancy Pelosi. He supports her. He is
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:49 PM
Nov 2018

going for House Whip.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Just curious - I have heard that a lot...GOP hates her because she does so well. How do
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

we know that? Seriously. I have always thought that they don't hate her but use her as a punching bag. Use her as a subtle dog whistle - liberal woman from San Francisco. I do know, being in a red state - people who know nothing spit out her name like she is poison.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
42. They don't have Hillary anymore to attack
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 10:18 PM
Nov 2018

My father still watches trump’s winning night and anti Hillary stuff. It’s so weird but he is old so I don’t say anything.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. Yup... Hillary is golden for them for a long time. If she
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 09:34 AM
Nov 2018

Runs again...it will perpetuate. But from my observation, Nancy and Maxine in same group. They are all lightning rods for the mobs. Still wondering what there is that shows Republicans don't like Nancy because they think she is so great.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
57. they hate her doubly because she's a woman
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:38 PM
Nov 2018

republicans hate women. but then she's a woman who works for the people, shows them up for the greedmeisters they are, and she can get the votes. Pelosi is their worst nightmare and it's like an insult to them that on top of all that she's a woman.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
28. Republicans will demonize any Dem leader
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:58 PM
Nov 2018

Say mean nasty things, lie more than a carpet, label "socialist, liberal, anti-American, etc etc." They did a whack job on Hillary for 40 years. So whoever steps out on the Dem side will be targeted. Pelosi's a big girl. She's seen it all before. I think that she's terrific, and more importantly, I trust her.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
48. I agree...but it takes a long time for the hate and
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 09:38 AM
Nov 2018

mockery to reach critical mass with these low infos...which does give a new person somewhat of a honeymoon period.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
8. What is THE reason or THE reasons why some of these democrats want her out?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

I have only heard they want her out and not why.

unblock

(52,202 posts)
15. really i think the main reason is that republicans have attacked her for their own reasons
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:03 PM
Nov 2018

and other democrats are hoping she is wounded enough to make a power play.

it's not that they dislike her or think she's done a bad job so much most democrats in the house aspires to be speaker and if the front-runner is wounded, of course they're going to consider running or backing someone who they think will reward them for helping them become speaker.

politics can be ugly, including within a party.


really the only remotely negative thing i've heard about her from democrats is from people who are eager to impeach donnie and who don't like her cautious approach on that topic.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
17. Because others have political aspirations of their own.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:09 PM
Nov 2018

Because lots of folks want fresh blood.

Even if that is so, Now is not the time to dramatically change anything. I think new blood is fine, needed and valued. So is experience, wisdom and professionalism.

Government needs some stability. There are reasons there are senior senators and junior senators.

I personally don’t think Nancy is that effective (and no I don’t want to fight about it) but she is good at her job, she has great motivations and we need her experience right now. Not drastic changes of the leads. And whether right or wrong, I think she has more than earned her place to work as Speaker now that she worked so hard to get us here.

randr

(12,411 posts)
11. I'm sticking with the one who brung me
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:43 PM
Nov 2018

She has been fighting the good fight for longer than most of us have been alive.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
46. Absolutely.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:45 AM
Nov 2018

Seems to me we have some ingrates operating here. I bet they’re even some who benefited from her fundraising prowess.

All through the campaign I got emails begging for money because some generous donor was offering to match whatever you donated by a factor of anywhere from 100 percent to as much as 800 percent (?!?!?!). You know who those “generous donors” are? People like Nancy Pelosi. And other prominent Dems and friends. Hillary is another one. And Pelosi is perfect for it because she’s in a safe district, so she has the luxury of fundraising for OTHER people rather than just for herself.

How many of these other candidates benefited from her fundraising support and now want to stab her in the back?

DFW

(54,358 posts)
18. It appears that what her detractors are looking for is this:
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:20 PM
Nov 2018

They want someone with her experience, her knowledge, her connections, but is 50 years younger.

The trouble is, people 50 years younger don't just swallow a pill and acquire all that. It takes time, a lot of work, quiet observation, and an iron will to put all that together. Smart younger people will want to learn from her while they still can (at her age, she won't be around forever, and she sure ain't staying in DC when she can retire home to San Francisco). Stupid people will look for that pill.

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murielm99

(30,735 posts)
32. I often attend meetings of one of our local
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:13 PM
Nov 2018

Democratic support groups. They are similar to Indivisible.

One of our members says she used to be a right-wing repubbie. She says that one of the things they discuss most is getting rid of Pelosi. She spoke at length and articulately about this.

Getting rid of Nancy is a right wing talking point. We should not fall for their tactics.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
35. The GOP has framed her for us and we bought it...just like Hillary.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:41 PM
Nov 2018

When will the rest of us stop hurting the best of us?

BaileyBill

(171 posts)
38. Actually, she runs things like a Democrat.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:02 PM
Nov 2018

You might want to read up on Sam Rayburn, the longest-serving and arguably most effective Speaker in our history. He served with presidents from FDR to JFK, shepherding much of the New Deal and, even as a rural Texan, some of the early civil rights progress. He was known for listening (his evening "Board of Education" meetings were legendary), consensus building, and inclusiveness despite never wavering in his support for the Democratic Party ("I am, without prefix, suffix or apology, a Democrat.&quot . And while it was rare, he didn't shy away from using his considerable power when necessary.

I fully support Nancy Pelosi, but for her talent, not her sex.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
39. Get thee to the greatest section!
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:04 PM
Nov 2018

Love it when I can beat Malaise to it.

Thanks for making the point STC!

ffr

(22,669 posts)
50. What do I have against tree frogs?
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:20 PM
Nov 2018

Nothing. Why do you ask that and what made you bring up that off the wall comment? Or what do I have against the spherical shape of Earth? I don't know what I have against the spherical shape of Earth? Can you fill me in on what you think I have against tree frogs and the spherical shape of Earth? Help me out here.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
58. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:28 PM
Nov 2018

Sometimes words on a page and words floating through the filters of our eyes don't align, kind of like the planets.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
41. Right on
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:45 PM
Nov 2018

We are at a crossroads, it would be a travesty to throw Nancy and all her significant skills away. The newbies may need to learn that Speaker is not an easy job, and it can make or break the Dems. So disappointed that so many of the newly elected don't realize this.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
44. People have a distorted view of leadership, especially republicans, because...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:02 AM
Nov 2018

they don't want to bear responsibility for their own actions. An authoritarian leader removes the need to think or take responsibility.
I came to this conclusion sometime before the end of my 20 years in the USCG. I wish I could have been a leader like Colonel Potter, but honestly I was more like Colonel Blake. I mentioned that once and someone (outside the USCG) said that actually he wasn't a bad leader. He wanted to build coalitions and concensus. But the right-wingers for all their bellowing about freedom are really just as happy with a Colonel Flag.
Colonel Potter = high competence, high authority
Colonel Blake = high competence, low authority
Colonel Flag (also Major Burns) = low competence, high authority
To me the weakness is those that seek out the Flags, and the Burns types. What I came to realize that there wasn't anything wrong with how I was leading, but what those that worked for me were expecting. They could only accept high authority even from an incompetent person.
Sad it is so prevelant in our society.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
52. With Pelosi we have a proven doer, mover and shaker.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:31 PM
Nov 2018

there simply is not a better person for the job at this time.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
55. The problem isn't her. It's the current political climate.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:01 PM
Nov 2018

It’s personality oriented. We get caught up in hysterias, pro and con, and politicians rush to fill that desire, sometimes with real talent as well, but sometimes with an absurd reliance on style over substance.

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