"Call me sentimental, but I think it's nice that Trump is sticking up for the green-card Slovenian"

[fleur-de-lisa]

Jeff Tiedrich @itsJeffTiedrich

Call me sentimental, but I think it's nice that Trump is sticking up for the green-card Slovenian trophy wife who married him for his money, recoils at his touch, never smiles in his presence, refuses to share his bedroom and sits in her room, counting every second until he dies.

8:40 AM - Nov 14, 2018

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[central scrutinizer]

1. Unfair!

Pole dancing Barbie has time to determine national security staffing.

[unblock]

2. that jeff tiedrich! such a romantic!

[Marcuse]

3. She doesn't need him. She's got an anchor baby.

[47of74]

4. "Donald rich, so we make f**k."

Source: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11423563

[eleny]

5. Jeff Tiedrich - imagist poet extraordinaire

[whathehell]

6. Could we stop with the bullshit slut-shaming?..You do not KNOW her and have no right to

claim knowledge of her motives for marrying him.

[SergeStorms]

9. Does anyone really know anyone else?

The vast majority of people don't know themselves. I'm sure you've never commented on Donald, any other republican, or anyone in the whole, wide, world. Right? Having a bad day are we?

[whathehell]

11. Lol

Are you really going for an "existential" angle here?

Come back when you can be honest.

[Rainbow Droid]

25. Take your own advice.

Because you've no right or standing to even attempt to deny anyone their right in expressing opinions on public figures, and especially not public figures who have over decades shown us exactly who they are and what they stand for, and who are currently, as we speak, undermining quintessential American values and ideals from a position of political influence every single day.

In fact, how dare you for even attempting to do so.

[whathehell]

28. Excuse me, dear, but if you haven't noticed, this is a Progressive Board

and I have EVERY right to point out misogny, which is NOT a progressive
value, when I see it. You have a nice one.

[Autumn]

30. She has shown us who she is. I believe her .

I do not think the First Nude is lying. If she is, I really don't care do U?

[whathehell]

37. She's "shown" us nothing.

and since when are progressives so prudish about nudity?
...The hypocrisy is obvious.

[Autumn]

38. Since when have you not seen her nasty, trashy actions? Fuck Melanie

and her birtherism bullshit. She has no morals or common decency. None. I'm not prudish at all. I'm not about to use the title First Lady for a trashy empty woman who cares for nothing and no one but herself. The First Nude can fuck off.

[whathehell]

40. I focus on presidents, not first ladies..

That said, your self-righteous pearl clutching is well-noted.

[Autumn]

41. You're the one upset because people aren't giving her the proper respect you think she's due.

Pearl clutching? Look in a mirror, you're the one all over this thread insisting on respect for her which shows me you aren't focusing on presidents you're focusing on the First Nude.

[whathehell]

42. Uh, no dear..You're reading it wrong again.

I've since considered the source, noting with satisfaction that most have declined participate in the hate fest.

I'm settling in for a nice evening, now, and I suggest you do the same. Goodbye, now.

[Autumn]

43. Uh, no dear.. anyone can read this thread but good luck

[whathehell]

45. Lol..Any can read, not everyone comprehends.

Are we clear, yet?

[Autumn]

47. Let me make this clear. If I want to call Melanie the First Nude I will. She's no first lady

and if that upsets someone "I really don't care do U?" She's really not up to first lady standards, like the mushroom penis she married isn't up to presidential standards. If you don't like the fact that I have no respect for her, use the alert button or ignore me. Got that "dear"? Comprehend that.

[Hortensis]

56. Speaking of standards, though, and being up them,...

We all choose our own, of course, and our own first lady has her own famous opinion on this.

That's a tactical position they chose, not just some high-sounding words. The differences between people who choose to go to the gutters always quickly become much less apparent.

[Autumn]

57. Yeah, whatever.

[whathehell]

64. Lol, Let me make it even more clear..

Of course you're free to "call" her all the catty little insults you choose

By the same token, others are free to expose them for what they are.

[Autumn]

65. Good to see you back, hadn't seen you for a couple days. Keep on exposing.

[whathehell]

69. Lol..Keep on "exposing"?

I'll leave that to you and the weenie wavers, honey.

[whathehell]

63. No, but let me try to explain it in a manner you might understand

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It's not a matter of "respecting" her as person, it's a matter of refusing to attack her in sexist terms.

Attacking conservative, or otherwise "unacceptable" women in sexist terms is no more "okay" than attacking conservative, "unacceptable" Blacks and Hispanics in racist terms....Are you getting it now?

[John Fante]

54. "you self-righteous pearl clutching"

My irony-meter just shattered into a million pieces.

[Autumn]

58. My tongue and fingers bled on that one.

[whathehell]

62. Oh well

It was likely weak and cheaply made, anyway.

[fleur-de-lisa]

33. I don't think the tweet was "slut shaming."

It was "gold digger" shaming. Huge difference.

[whathehell]

36. Lol

and "prostitute shaming" is so much better, right?

Pont:. Neither is legitimate because we do NOT know her personally, and thus can not know WHY she married Trump -- Learn the difference between "fact" and "speculation".

[John Fante]

55. Men can be gold-diggers too.

It isn't gender-specific.

What's next? Might as well not questions Trump's motives either, since we don't know him personally.

[whathehell]

59. Yes, but because they've generally held the money & power,

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it's much more rare.

It works a lot like the Double Standard -- Men are equally, if not more, promiscuous than women, but it's only women, typically, who are smeared with the ugly labels of "whore" and "slut".

[backscatter712]

66. Slut is too harsh a word. What's a ten-letter word for a woman that marries for financial gain?

Starts with a G.

[whathehell]

68. What's a nine letter word for judgemental dodos

who think sexist slurs are fine as long as they're directed at the "wrong" women?

[backscatter712]

70. You've obviously mistaken me for someone that cares about your opinion.

[whathehell]

72. Given it was you who first contacted me..

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It seems the "mistake" was all yours!

[SergeStorms]

7. Don't sugarcoat it like that, Jeff.

Spit it all out and tell us how you really feel! Excellent, fucking excellent. Thing is, she's turned into a churlish clone of hubby. This article is worth the read, it's about Melanie's somewhat nebulous past.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/melanias-fire-fury-deep-roots-184556463.html

[scarytomcat]

8. she smiled and took his hand on the way to the helicopter that took them to the plane for Europe

last week
after he forgot about her and circled back after questions and answers shouting over helicopter noise with reporters
Why do they do that? can never hear the question

[whathehell]

10. I think Jeff is a slimy, slut-shaming turd..

who doesn't know jack shit about Melania.

[leftieNanner]

12. Some things I know about Melania

- that she bought into her husband's Obama Birther BS and was very happy to spout it out on TV.

I also know that she worked in this country illegally as a model when she had only a tourist visa.

Her husband is a vile, cruel, dishonest con man. And she has chosen to stay in his golden tower with him.

For us to extrapolate about her character because of the man she married is not out of bounds, IMO.

[whathehell]

14. Okay

and if critiques of her were restricted to that which IS known, instead

of stretched to include slimy speculation about that which is NOT

known, I'd have no problem with that.

[displacedtexan]

20. I don't know any more about Melania than I know about Eva Braun.

And I have just about the same opinion of both of them. Poor life choices and unearned sense of superiority would be the understatement of the last 100 years for both of them.

[whathehell]

21. Oh please..

That comparison is way over the top,.

[Autumn]

48. The First Nudes nude photo shoots ARE well known, no speculation there at ALL.

[SunSeeker]

15. No one is calling Melania a slut. A prostitute, sure, but not a slut. Huuuge difference.

We're shaming her for her abhorrent choice of business partners, which, by all indications, is all her marriage is. We're shaming her for her anti-immigrant hypocrisy. We're shaming her for corruptly obtaining a "genius visa" she did not deserve. We're shaming her phoniness. Were shaming her lying about having a degree. We're shaming her grifting. Oh, and she is a racist. Remember, she went on the View and defended Trump's birtherism. She deserves to be shamed for all of that.

[912gdm]

17. yup!

[whathehell]

18. So "there's a huuuge difference"

between a "slut" and a "prostitute"?

Uh, that's news to me, but they are BOTH sexist slurs, and the fact is, you have NO right to call her either -- Again, we don't KNOW her, and just because we don't like him and see NO good reason to marry him EXCEPT for his money, it doesn't mean SHE sees it that way..

[SunSeeker]

24. Calling a woman a slut is slut shaming, under any circumstances.

But calling someone who prostitutes themselves for money a prostitute is not slut shaming. It is stating a fact. Men and women can be prostitutes. It is not inherently sexist.

[kcr]

29. Calling a woman a prostitute for marrying a rich man is, in fact, sexist.

You're objectifying the woman in the couple, as well as presuming the rich man's motives in marrying her. It's also the reason prostitution is inherently sexist as well. And what does the fact that both men and women can be prostitutes have to do with whether or not it's inherently sexist?

[whathehell]

31. Sorry, dear, but you're interpreting that term a little too literally

"Slut-shaming" is any word or action that denigrates a woman for sexual behavior that would NOT be criticized in a man..Such criticism need not contain thw word "slut".

As to the "prostitute" label, no I'm sorry, when it comes to Melania, you are NOT " stating facts", because you have no access to "facts", you have only speculation... AGain, you do not KNOW het, so you can NOT know what part of "you do not KNOW her

[SunSeeker]

35. "Sorry, dear" ? And you accuse others of sexism?

[whathehell]

39. Nice try..

but not knowing your sex, I can hardly be sexist, can I?

[SunSeeker]

44. Your resorting to patronizing terms used as a sexist put down is bad enough. nt

[whathehell]

46. Again.

How can something be used as a "sexist" put down if the sex of the recipient is unknown?
Take your time. I'll wait.

[SunSeeker]

49. I am not your "dear." That is a typical condescending term men use to patronize women.

You really do need to pick your battles. Do you really have nothing better to do than lash out at DUers rightfully mocking that grifting birther Melania?

[whathehell]

60. Lol..I've been trying to END this 'dialogue' with you since last night

so I'd suggest you limit YOUR battles to those you can either win or walk away from -- Since you've been unable to do either in this case, I'm afraid I'll have to initiate our adieu in welcoming you to my big I list. Goodbye and good luck!
.

[SunSeeker]

61. Bye!

[whathehell]

32. Sorry, but I'm afraid you're interpreting that phrase too literally

"Slut shaming" is judging and denigrating a woman for sexual behavior that would NOT be criticized in a man...The criticism need not contain the word "slut".

As to "stating" facts in regard to calling someone a "prostitute" , your problem is, you HAVE no facts that entitle you to label Melanie as such --you have nothing but speculation...There is a large difference!

[SunSeeker]

34. What Melania is being criticized for is not her sexual behavior.

I listed what she is being criticized for. And it is based on facts. We are allowed to look at facts and make logical conclusions. We do it every day about everything and everyone. Melania is not entitled to an exemption.

[GaYellowDawg]

50. Well, here's your problem.

A man would be criticized for acting as Melanoma does. Let’s say that Ann Coulter gets herself a 20 year old Eastern European boy toy who is clearly repulsed by her, but is with her strictly for the money/status he thinks he’ll get out of it. And there’s a picture of her all over him and he’s got a stony dead-behind-the eyes look and body language indicating disgust... If you think he wouldn’t catch exactly the load of abuse here on DU as Melanoma is for this picture, then you’re in denial.

So your premise - that it’s “judging and denigrating a woman for sexual behavior that would NOT be criticized in a man” is pretty much bullshit, which makes your little crusade look pretty stupid. I’m sure that if you want to be Melanoma’s fierce defender, they’d welcome you on that idiot site initialed FR.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. What if someone actually is a prostitute?

That is, their job is to have sex in exchange for money. Is it sexist to state, as a matter of fact, that a particular person who makes a living by getting paid for sex is a prostitute? That's just a definition of their job, not an insult.

[oldlibdem]

13. When he croaks..

I hope she wears her "I don't care, do you"? coat to his funeral. and that is one damn funny tweet!

[getagrip_already]

16. I just don't get it...

Why isn't the media, including tweety, not pointing out that the "office" of the first lady is NOT a constitutional office?

It is an executive branch courtesy extended to a spouse of the potus. There is no mandate, or even a law, granting it any powers whatsoever.

It's a ceremonial perch in a gilded cage.

Treat it that way.

[FakeNoose]

19. She really, really thought ...

Hey we can be sort of mean on DU, but maybe we should lay off Melania for awhile.

I read Omarosa's book "Unhinged" and she believes there was a time when Melania really did love him. Omarosa says she saw them together in the early days of their relationship and Melania's feelings towards him were unmistakable then. Of course at that time there was no talk of him running for President. On the other hand, Omarosa doesn't speculate whether he loved her or not, so my guess is that she knows more than she tells in the book.

[UTUSN]

22. K&R

[Cha]

23. And yet..

Trump reportedly pissed because Melanie's power play made him look like "a bossed around husband."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11430169

[niyad]

26. you nearly owed me a keyboard

[niyad]

27. I heard a comment yesterday about what a true knife-fighter the trophy immigrant is--

funny. never knew that the WH was a hotbed of infighting and "game of thrones" machinations--until this crew, anyway.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Malaria isn't the only one who's counting every second until he dies.

[ooky]

53. Sad thing is she's not the only one counting every second until he dies.

So is Mike Pence.

[backscatter712]

67. All she wants for Christmas is a folded flag...

[mtnsnake]

71. hahaha, I love Jeff's tweets!