Lawrence O'Donnell: "It's finally dawning on him who has the biggest incentive to see him impeached"

[Miles Archer]

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It’s finally dawning on him who has the biggest incentive to see him impeached.

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[FSogol]

1. LOL. Turn the paranoia up to 11

[PeeJ52]

21. HA HA....

My thoughts exactly!!!

[TomSlick]

71. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[PatrickforO]

74. Well...here's the Kinks to tell us all about it!

[lark]

84. Perfect for drumpf.

Unfortunately he also destroys everything he touches, not just himself.

[ailsagirl]

86. AHHHHH... perfect song for him!!

Love the Kinks

[RHMerriman]

2. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?

Pence is as loyal to Trump as Nixon was to Agnew...

[forgotmylogin]

23. Trump turns on everyone eventually (n/t)

[RHMerriman]

44. Don't disagree, but I think even that gives him too much credit...

"turning" implies there was some sort of positive, mutually-beneficial relationship in the first place; based on the evidence of his life, I'm not certain Trump has ever had that sort of relationship with anyone, even his parents.

Seems like a complete sociopath, actually.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. Pence has the God Squad on his side. To them, Trump is just the vehicle to a Pence presidency.

[calimary]

47. That's why a good friend of mine voted for trump. She said it was because of Pence.

And his governing "experience".

You mean the lackluster job he did in Congress when he was an Indiana rep? I can't think of anything impressive or noticeable that he did during that time. Had to look it up. Six terms (which is 12 years), three bills sponsored - that appear not to have gone anywhere.

https://www.congress.gov/member/mike-pence/P000587?q=%7B%22search%22:[%22H.+R.+83%22],%22sponsorship%22:%22sponsored%22,%22subject%22:%22Law%22%7D


You mean the abysmal job he did as Indiana governor, when that "my religion trumps your rights" bill he signed seriously hurt his state, economically, because of all the business/corporate/convention boycotts and bad press coverage it launched?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-religious-freedom-law-indiana_us_57c839b9e4b0a22de09446d8

[marble falls]

65. So they think Pence is coming to Jerusalem DC on the back of a sacrificial orange ass???

[LuvNewcastle]

81. Yep, the fundagelicals love them some Pence.

They think he's going to start speaking in tongues while he takes the oath and bring on the rapture. Gawd help us all!

[malaise]

3. THIS?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211438875

[Miles Archer]

5. Oh, you betcha.

Yes...that.

[malaise]

7. Who didn't see this coming?

Let me stock up on pistachios.

[Miles Archer]

14. I assume this is a big part of the reason why Pence has been forming PACs and rallying evangelicals.

He sees the rapture coming.

[malaise]

19. Bwaaaaaaaah

The cannibals will soon eat themselves on live TV. When the dust settles I hope they are all damaged goods.

[TwistOneUp]

78. They're all damaged goods now!

Damaged because they are all guilty in the conspiracy to sell our government to the highest bidders and turn America into a Christian Nation.

[dalton99a]

4. Mike Pence must be fired ASAP. Do it.

[OnDoutside]

6. He can't !!! Lol

[AlexSFCA]

35. the only person trump can't fire? lol

[OnDoutside]

51. Yep, which is a gift from manafort !

[Gothmog]

8. Yep

[hlthe2b]

9. snarf! Major schadenfreude in the offing...

[lilactime]

10. Bwahahahahaha

[Blue Owl]

11. Trump taken down by Mommy's Boy

n/t

[lilactime]

13. ...

[malaise]

20. Thy would be Mother's boy please

[GusBob]

12. Nope not impeachment

He is thinking a pardon

[getagrip_already]

46. that's my take also....

Trump wants his own gerald ford deal, and he wants to know if he can trust pence to follow through, because trump only knows trump, and trump wouldn't follow through if the roles were reversed..... And they are. And no pardons for anyone not named donald trump.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

58. I honestly don't think Trump is capable of thinking

that strategically or that subtly. Think a three year old. They only know what's in front of them. That's Trump.

Who knows why he's currently doubting Pence's loyalty to him. It doesn't matter. What does sort of matter is that Trump thinks that everyone in the government serves at his pleasure, which is the only thing he knows. He was always able to hire and fire at will, and honestly thinks it's that way everywhere.

For whatever reason, he'd like to replace Pence with someone he thinks would be more loyal. I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with future pardons.

[Marie Marie]

56. Agree!

[BlueJac]

15. Paranoia strikes deep...

Into your life it will creep

It starts when you're always afraid

Step out of line, the men come and take you away.


Buffalo Springfield 1967


It looks good on Trump!

[RainCaster]

16. Everybody look what's goin' down

[DownriverDem]

30. Love it

So many great songs back then.

[reACTIONary]

85. Sure, for what it's worth. nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Who took my strawberries?!?!!

Only thing missing is the ball bearings...

[2naSalit]

18. The "et tu, Brute?" moment has arrived...nt

[Mister Ed]

22. Caligula is starting to realize...

...that Claudius may not be as dumb as he pretends to be.

[ChazInAz]

66. His Praetorians!

And his Praetorians are starting to get a little hinkty and shifty.

[yuiyoshida]

24. "Sorry Mr. President, you can't fire THE VP"

But he could 25th Amendment you!

[VMA131Marine]

33. But Trump can choose a different VP candidate for his 2020 re-election bid

we don't vote for VP separately (maybe we should) so Trump can ditch Pence if he wants to.

FDR had 3 different VPs.

[yuiyoshida]

36. That's if he will even be running by than

I am hoping he will be out of office by then, and on his way to a new location in an orange jumper!

[INdemo]

38. Trump wont run in 2020..He will be indited and resign.

[RockRaven]

25. Here's how to tell if this is the correct interpretation:

Trump is highly likely to conclude Pence is not loyal. Why? Because he trusts virtually nobody. And even people he did trust, to varying degrees, have recently burned him (Cohen, Weisselberg, Gates, etc). He's only known Pence for ~2 years and the relationship has been entirely transactional so far. And Trump has virtually nothing new to dangle in front of Pence as a potential reward. In fact, as Lawrence O'Donnell points out, in Trump's mind the best possible reward for Pence would be to behave disloyally and help oust Trump.

So if Trump IS thinking this then we can expect him to behave thusly: attack Pence before Pence can attack him. Throw him under the bus with Mueller and in the press. Make him appear to be in jeopardy so any accusations/evidence from him look like an effort to save his own skin. If we see stories trashing Pence from the Maggie Habermans and Robert Costas of the world citing unnamed White House sources, we can conclude that Trump and/or Jarvanka etc have concluded Pence is disloyal and that his disloyalty is a threat.

[atreides1]

34. You forgot something

Pence was picked by Manafort!

Manafort worked a plea deal to avoid his second trial...and has been talking to Mueller's team!

[DownriverDem]

27. Don't like pence at all

but I think he's been thinking about taking donnie's place about a week after trump took the oath of office.

[DeminPennswoods]

28. Reportedly Trump's considering Nick Ayers, Pence's

current chief of staff, to replace Kelly. A real spy will be in his midst then!

[Boomer]

88. So true!

Nick Ayers and Pence are thick as thieves, and it's almost certain that Ayers would act as a mole. Trump really isn't that bright, is he, to even think of that appointment.

[IncaRoads]

29. Something is happening here

But you don't know what it is,
Do you
Mr. Jones

[keithbvadu2]

31. Pence is not family so he cannot be trusted.

Pence is not family so he cannot be trusted.

Who would benefit if Trump was ousted by 25th Amendment?

[onetexan]

37. LOL love the graphic

so true, pence is definitely waiting in the wings

[NJCher]

80. hate to respond with an overused word, but...

perfect.

[calimary]

83. How I LOVE these cartoonists!

I’d bet somebody in that White House is stoking trump’s paranoia. Steven Miller maybe? I’d bet he’s showing stuff like this to donald to get him to see pence as a threat. Maybe somebody with a calculating mind like Steven Miller sees Pence as a threat. After all, if Pence turned on trump, Steven Miller would lose his access to the top.

[deminks]

32. Hey, Donnie, who hasn't been in to see Mr. Mueller yet, either?

He's either snitching or he's a target, too. Just sayin', Donnie.

[CaptYossarian]

39. I'd like to see him tarred and feathered on his way to Gitmo...

The question is: How do the Dems impeach without starting a second Civil War? Don't forget--it won't be between states with the Mason-Dixon line safely bordering us. It will be between neighbors and relatives in all 50 states. And the RWNJs have most of the guns.

The safest thing to do is have the House reject/obstruct everything Trump & McTurtle do until the Orange Menace gives up and quits. Let Veep Micro Penis give him a pardon, then Booker/Harris/Brown/Warren/Swalwell or whomever can be elected in 2020. The Dems can also capture the Senate on those coattails and the good guys can make America truly great again. We'll even get Obama on the Supreme Court after impeaching Kavanaugh.


A happy ending.

[Scurrilous]

40. ...

[grantcart]

41. If I hit the lotto I would put up 100 billboards around Mar Alago

By the Committee to Restore Dignity

with pictures of Pence

Just to be sneaky

[keithbvadu2]

60. Subtle.... Good one!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

42. it's more about Ayers.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/trump-advisers-growing-alarmed-presidents-keeps-asking-pences-loyalty-new-york-times/

[mahatmakanejeeves]

43. National Lampoon, August 1970

[Midnight Writer]

79. This cover is amazing. The more I look, the more I laugh. and laugh. and laugh and

[maryellen99]

45. I think Pence is a snake

I could see trump being forced to resign and Pence stabbing him in the back by not pardoning him.

[The Liberal Lion]

48. Eu tu Pence?!?

[FailureToCommunicate]

82. What they do!

[Honeycombe8]

49. Bwahahahaha! Only the shadow knows. nt

[Wounded Bear]

50. Trump does not trust himself...

therefore he is incapable of trusting anyone else, at least not for long.

Since he thinks he can buy loyalty from people, he knows that eventually he'll get outbid for it.

[sandensea]

52. Having Karen Pence constantly ask if she could measure the drapes should've given it away.

But then, not much gets through that thick skull of his - not much that isn't in Russian anyway.

[The Genealogist]

62. "Oh say, Melania, darling, you wouldnt have the measurements for that window would you....

....just asking for a friend."

[sandensea]

70. *snort!*

That's our Second Lady alright. Karen has power-hungry bumpkin written all over her.

[spooky3]

53. I hope mueller takes them both out and that we welcome Pres. Pelosi. Nt

[Blue_true]

73. Similar here.

I hope the Mueller is waiting until after January 3, 2019. Then on January 10, 2019, he lowers the boom, indicting the entire Trump family and naming both Trump and Pence as un-in-indicted coconspirator in dozens of criminal charges. Both Trump and Pence resign, with neither legally being constitutionally able to name a replacement. Tough path and likely won't happen, but I wish.

[spooky3]

76. I like it. And with a Dem House, they can vote to impeach. With your scenario and the economy

beginning to decline at that point (some economists already see signs that growth is slowing), enough Republicans in the Senate may be nervous enough to stop blindly supporting Trump.

[Iggo]

54. Oh hell yes. Feed him that exact shit at once.

[cstanleytech]

55. Pence has to be careful though because if he has been involved in anything to do with the Russian

deal the Trumps made then he could be considered a co conspirator and find himself facing charges down the road.

[dbackjon]

57. Lodestar!

[oldlibdem]

59. Paranoia the destroya

Pence to Donnie two scoops "want me to get kfc, boss"?

[rurallib]

61. Hey trump - Get him before he gets you

fire his unloyalw ass or secretly turn some evidence over to Mueller!

Yeah - that's the ticket. Destroy him before he gets you!

[zentrum]

63. Iorny is a mighty thing.

[Maine-i-acs]

64. pssst .... he's the mole Donnie

A lot of people are saying that. Just FYI.

[connecticut yankee]

67. It took him this long?

[NastyRiffraff]

68. All that ass kissing

All those insipid, adoring looks. All for naught. Tragic.

[backscatter712]

69. I love watching the orcs eat each other.

[PubliusEnigma]

72. So, Lode Star, I see your Schwarz is as big as mine!

[Celerity]

75. I smell

[TwistOneUp]

77. Hence the "Impeach Pence First" signs I've seen. nt

[sueh]

87. Is Pence Putin's real favorite??? Oh my!

[DFW]

89. Does Trump know that Pence's middle name is Iago?

Of course, Trump wouldn't get the reference...................