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New: Russian spy Maria Butina may be negotiating a plea deal (bad news for Trump and NRA) (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 OP
Maria Butina is going to flip on Putin, Trump, and the NRA? Botany Nov 2018 #1
She has had Russian embassy contact the whole time. Blue_true Nov 2018 #15
cant see her flipping on putin AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #2
YEP she's in a VERY TOUGH SPOT!!! bluestarone Nov 2018 #3
her best bet is suicide to protect the family AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #4
Mueller can protect her in America but you might be right about the rest of her friends and family. Botany Nov 2018 #6
I bet she ends up in Witness protection nt maryellen99 Nov 2018 #8
I loved GF2. Blue_true Nov 2018 #16
This might help Botany Nov 2018 #19
Ok, I thought that was it. Blue_true Nov 2018 #20
Have you ever stopped and thought just how f***ing mobbed up Trump and company are ... Botany Nov 2018 #21
Anyone that did real estate when his dad and him were building had to work with the mob. Blue_true Nov 2018 #23
I can understand buying concrete from the mob back then. Botany Nov 2018 #24
Yes, he did other business with the mob. Blue_true Nov 2018 #25
And all of Trump's many mob connections were well known but did we ever hear about them? Botany Nov 2018 #26
Yep. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #27
Ruh Roh! jpak Nov 2018 #5
I don't see why she should have to flip on Putin. That would be self-defeating, IMO. libdem4life Nov 2018 #7
Anything she has to give up likely leads back to Russia. Blue_true Nov 2018 #17
Most likely...but leads back to and flipping...maybe not as much...hopefully. libdem4life Nov 2018 #29
She certainly won't make out like Anna Chapman did. Blue_true Nov 2018 #31
This may be a very BIG deal. Time will tell. triron Nov 2018 #9
Yep. From Reuters: janx Nov 2018 #10
I hope she rats on McConnell and rest poli-junkie Nov 2018 #11
Like OH's Rob Portman who took $10,000,000. from the NRA? Botany Nov 2018 #12
republicans are deep in bed with the russians and their money mob Achilleaze Nov 2018 #18
Pressure heavy on The Cretin as likely 100s, or so I've heard, libdem4life Nov 2018 #30
knr triron Nov 2018 #13
K&R UTUSN Nov 2018 #14
Manafort, Stone, Flynn et al. can bring down the Trump cabal Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #22
It warms the heart on a Friday. CentralMass Nov 2018 #28
k+r Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #32

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. She has had Russian embassy contact the whole time.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:46 PM
Nov 2018

Need to be cautious with her. She may have been told to make a deal, but give up what Putin wants given up.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
2. cant see her flipping on putin
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

she understands that not only her life will be in danger for the rest of days but all her relatives lives.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
6. Mueller can protect her in America but you might be right about the rest of her friends and family.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:36 PM
Nov 2018

Why am I thinking of "Frankie 5 Angels" from Godfather 2?

Botany

(70,490 posts)
19. This might help
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:10 PM
Nov 2018


"They went home and sat in a hot bath and opened their veins, and bled to death. Sometimes they gave a little party before they did it.
Don't worry about anything Frankie Five Angels.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. Ok, I thought that was it.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:26 PM
Nov 2018

But there was also the attempted choking in the bar that the police officer broke up.

Thanks for the reminder.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
21. Have you ever stopped and thought just how f***ing mobbed up Trump and company are ...
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

.... and have been.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. Anyone that did real estate when his dad and him were building had to work with the mob.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:38 PM
Nov 2018

The mob owned major construction and concrete in NYC during the 70s and 80s and into the 90s, until the Feds dropped RICO statues on their asses.

I wonder how big the Italian mob is these days, given other more vicious mobs like the Russians and Ukrainians?

Botany

(70,490 posts)
24. I can understand buying concrete from the mob back then.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:42 PM
Nov 2018

They owned the business and if you wanted concrete that is who you had to buy it from
but many examples of Trump working with the mob are out there such as his mentor
and mob lawyer Roy Cohen.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. Yes, he did other business with the mob.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

He is in a box now. Look like the Mueller investigation may be spreading based upon some info posted here on DU.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
26. And all of Trump's many mob connections were well known but did we ever hear about them?
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:10 PM
Nov 2018

Not really but did we hear about HRC and her emails.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. I don't see why she should have to flip on Putin. That would be self-defeating, IMO.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:50 PM
Nov 2018

She needs to feel and be as safe as possible. I hope this is true. It would be giant investigative step and perhaps explain the recent action from Cohen and extension of Manafort's sentencing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. Anything she has to give up likely leads back to Russia.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:56 PM
Nov 2018

Russian agents didn't act in isolation, Putin would have approved everything. She is in danger regardless.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Most likely...but leads back to and flipping...maybe not as much...hopefully.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:26 PM
Nov 2018

I think the investigation will be sensitive to her safety concerns and she'll likely have some representation...particularly due to the linguistics. She may speak English, but this is a different level of language and cultural perception.

She is in a no-win situation, it seems. Wonder if she could have gone back to Russia before this? Surely she would have known this day would come.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. She certainly won't make out like Anna Chapman did.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:44 PM
Nov 2018

If Putin suspects that she has given up sensitive information, she just as well stay in the US under witness protection until Putin is dead and even beyond that. She has her ass in a sling.

I read that she was originally some poor girl from Siberia or some other outlying part of Russia, who was given a shot at the bigtime. There are likely more like her embedded in the USA, young, pretty, look to be doing innocent stuff like getting college BS and advanced degrees.

The Feds seem to have been tracking her for some time. If she was smart, the last time she went to Russia, she should have done a Snowden and stayed.

triron

(21,999 posts)
9. This may be a very BIG deal. Time will tell.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:55 PM
Nov 2018

Might this have any relevance to Mueller's filing yesterday?

poli-junkie

(1,002 posts)
11. I hope she rats on McConnell and rest
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:04 PM
Nov 2018

of the repukes who were on the take from Russian laundered money through the NRA.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
18. republicans are deep in bed with the russians and their money mob
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:00 PM
Nov 2018

As they work together to weaken America, and undermine American democracy.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. Pressure heavy on The Cretin as likely 100s, or so I've heard,
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:30 PM
Nov 2018

may go down. The tentacles are deep, as the money was freely flowing. Time to pay the piper.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
22. Manafort, Stone, Flynn et al. can bring down the Trump cabal
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:34 PM
Nov 2018

But Maria Butina could help bring down the GOP criminal syndicate, from Mitch to Devin to Rohrabacher to Chaffetz to Ryan to Rand. Hell, they're probably ALL co-conspirators.

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