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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:13 PM Nov 2018

I did NOT see this coming (Mattis communicating w/ Peter Smith before he died).

NEW: Associate of deceased GOP activist Peter Smith says Smith spoke of meeting unnamed hackers at a suburban DC hotel in Aug. 2016 as he pursued Clinton emails. Smith also exchanged an email with Mattis in the final months of his life. Dems to investigate



https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democrats-to-step-up-probe-of-trump-russia-ties-1542414187

Somebody please post the first 4 paragraphs. I'm out of clicks.
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I did NOT see this coming (Mattis communicating w/ Peter Smith before he died). (Original Post) MelissaB Nov 2018 OP
Right click Open in Inchnito Tab zaj Nov 2018 #1
It works for NYT, but not WSJ... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #3
I couldn't get it to work, either. MelissaB Nov 2018 #9
Just clear your cookies for NYT, WSJ, WaPo, etc. ET Awful Nov 2018 #26
I think there will be a lot of surprises The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #2
He spoke to the WSJ about this before he killed himself still_one Nov 2018 #4
Here you go blogslut Nov 2018 #5
Thank you! Can you post the important parts related to Mattis? MelissaB Nov 2018 #8
:( No I can't blogslut Nov 2018 #10
ARGH! I've subscribed to the twice in the last couple of years and swore not to again because MelissaB Nov 2018 #11
Here- BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #12
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! MelissaB Nov 2018 #15
Seems like the very last sentence is the zinger eleny Nov 2018 #30
If Mattis BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #32
Whoa. so many tendrils hath this monster. triron Nov 2018 #20
Adam Schiff with in charge! GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #6
This is all I could copy, sorry. First time I've had a problem? saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #7
Peter Smith killed himself days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal greyl Nov 2018 #13
Say what? dhol82 Nov 2018 #14
If one had the choice to die alone, or die along with any of their loved ones, greyl Nov 2018 #16
Oy. nt Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #21
I'm gonna have to start a wall chart soon. Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #17
Would love to see Mueller's right now. nt greyl Nov 2018 #18
You're gonna need a bigger house. Marie Marie Nov 2018 #19
Nicely played! .... Corktown Nov 2018 #27
lol Roland99 Nov 2018 #36
Seriously angrychair Nov 2018 #23
Can someone with more (medical) respiratory knowledge than I have Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #22
Sounds like he shut himself in a small room or closet and turned on a tank of helium... Hekate Nov 2018 #24
The whole thing sounds suspicious to me. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #25
Everything to do with the GOP these days sounds hinky as hell. I'm only saying ... Hekate Nov 2018 #28
If your body doesn't get enough of the necessary ratio of nitrogen/oxygen to breathe BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #34
Helium is used in balloons (and some scientific instruments) BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #33
Apologies! My blushes for the mistake. Even so, not meant for breathing... Hekate Nov 2018 #37
People end up sucking in helium BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #38
It's promoted as a painless and violence-free method of self-euthanasia. NBachers Nov 2018 #29
I never bought the story about his suicide. Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #31
Deep and dark is the republican Skuzzhole of degenerate values Achilleaze Nov 2018 #35

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
9. I couldn't get it to work, either.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:23 PM
Nov 2018

Thanks for letting me know. Thought I was doing something wrong.

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
5. Here you go
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:20 PM
Nov 2018
WASHINGTON—House Democrats, poised to reactivate a probe of President Trump’s campaign ties to Russia, said this week that an investigatory priority is learning more about a Republican activist who sought 2016 Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s private emails, and whether he served as a conduit between the Trump campaign and Russia-tied groups.

“That is an area of continuing interest for us,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), who is expected to become chairman of the House Intelligence Committee when Democrats regain control of the House in January, said in an interview. “In fact, that’s one of the areas that we’ve been able to make progress” on, despite Republican attempts to end the probe.

Mr. Schiff declined to detail what more the panel has learned. The Wall Street Journal has reported that the GOP activist, Peter W. Smith, who died in 2017, secretly raised $100,000 to secure emails deleted from Mrs. Clinton’s private computer server, and that he struck up a professional relationship with Mike Flynn, then a Trump aide, who later pleaded guilty in connection with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Another priority Mr. Schiff identified is to determine any financial relationship between the Trump Organization and Russian entities or individuals. Mr. Trump, his company and the Kremlin all have denied collusion or other improper ties...


blogslut

(37,999 posts)
10. :( No I can't
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:29 PM
Nov 2018

Their paywall script must have logged my IP or something cuz now I can't see the whole article even in a different browser's incognito mode.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
11. ARGH! I've subscribed to the twice in the last couple of years and swore not to again because
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:32 PM
Nov 2018

you have to call to cancel. If they gave me that option online, they could have me back.

Thank you for trying.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
12. Here-
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:35 PM
Nov 2018
Mr. Smith said that he met with hackers in suburban Washington, D.C., according to one of his former associates. “I was told by Smith that he met with several groups of hackers in a suburban Washington hotel on the weekend of August 27-8, 2016. I have no idea what he meant by ‘several’ nor did I ask him for clarification,” said John Szobocsan, a friend and business partner who worked closely with Mr. Smith during 2016.

Mr. Smith was in contact with powerful Republicans in Mr. Trump’s orbit into the final months of his life, including Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Mr. Flynn and others, according to interviews and the emails reviewed by the Journal.

The emails show Mr. Smith brainstormed about business ventures involving Mr. Flynn and later went so far as to copy Mr. Flynn’s government-provided email account on a message to Mr. Trump’s incoming defense secretary, Mr. Mattis. In February 2016, Mr. Smith wrote to a friend to discuss “a possible way into cybersecurity to involve Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn.” An attorney for Mr. Flynn declined to comment. The Pentagon also declined to comment.

Other emails that Mr. Flynn is copied on show Mr. Smith either communicating directly with high-level Trump administration officials and allies or discussing such connections.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
15. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:53 PM
Nov 2018

Looking at that 3rd paragraph it doesn't really say Mattis communicated w/ Smith, just that he was cc'd on an email.

I don't know what to make of this. It seems the author is implying Mattis is dirty or this clickbait? I'd like to know what others here think.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
30. Seems like the very last sentence is the zinger
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:47 AM
Nov 2018

Who all is Smith referring to? Who and how many high level officials in the administration was he making connections with. And why was it important to discuss those connections?

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
32. If Mattis
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 06:20 AM
Nov 2018

was aware of any shenanigans, it would behoove that he report it to someone although he was no longer a federal employee. If not, then....

On the other hand, he may have notified someone as we don't know all of what DOJ knew that eventually led up to the Sally Yates warnings to the administration about Flynn (since these communications seems to focus on Flynn).

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
6. Adam Schiff with in charge!
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:20 PM
Nov 2018

We are going to learn a lot. Can’t wait to see the desperate antics of the minority republicans on his committee. Especially the worm Nunes.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
7. This is all I could copy, sorry. First time I've had a problem?
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:22 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democrats-to-step-up-probe-of-trump-russia-ties-1542414187

House Democrats to Step Up Probe of Trump-Russia Ties

Intelligence panel’s Adam Schiff wants to learn more about a deceased GOP activist who sought Hillary Clinton’s private emails

By Warren P. Strobel and Byron Tau

Nov. 16, 2018 7:23 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON—House Democrats, poised to reactivate a probe of President Trump’s campaign ties to Russia, said this week that an investigatory priority is learning more about a Republican activist who sought 2016 Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s private emails, and whether he served as a conduit between the Trump campaign and Russia-tied groups.

“That is an area of continuing interest for us,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), who is expected to become chairman of the House Intelligence Committee when Democrats regain control...

greyl

(22,990 posts)
13. Peter Smith killed himself days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:36 PM
Nov 2018

From July, 2017:

Republican donor kills himself after talking about working with Russian hackers to get Hillary Clinton's emails

A GOP donor and opposition researcher who said he tried to work with Russian hackers to retrieve deleted emails from a private server used by Hillary Clinton, has died in a suicide, according to public records cited in a Chicago Tribune report.

Peter Smith killed himself days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal in which he said he sought out Russian hackers to try to retrieve some 33,000 deleted Clinton emails and pass them to Michael Flynn, then a campaign adviser to Donald Trump.

Death records from Minnesota show that Smith, 81, died in a hotel of "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium" on May 14. Smith was found with a note that said there was "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER" regarding his death.

Smith also apologized to the authorities for his death and attributed his final decision to a "recent bad turn in health," according to the records cited by the Tribune, which reported that he also said his $5 million life insurance policy was close to expiring.

https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-smith-suicide-clinton-emails-russian-hackers-2017-7



greyl

(22,990 posts)
16. If one had the choice to die alone, or die along with any of their loved ones,
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:02 PM
Nov 2018

they'd write the note and die alone. Same goes for writing a note to keep the hot poker and pliers away.
Cripes, what a dark subject.

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
17. I'm gonna have to start a wall chart soon.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:12 PM
Nov 2018

Good lord. And they used to refer to the Bushes as an "octopus".

Aside...I wonder why they call Flynn "Mr." and not "General"

angrychair

(8,697 posts)
23. Seriously
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:00 AM
Nov 2018

It would be absurd if it were not true. 30 or 40 years from now no one will believe this shit...we will have to lay it all out again to make people understand but by then we will have the full picture and it will make a lot more sense.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
22. Can someone with more (medical) respiratory knowledge than I have
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:55 PM
Nov 2018

explain to me what "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in a confined space with helium" actually means ?

I'm trying to understand this and I'm lost.

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
24. Sounds like he shut himself in a small room or closet and turned on a tank of helium...
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:16 AM
Nov 2018

Probably rolling a towel into the space between the door and the floor.

I know it's laughing gas in small quantities, but it is also an anesthetic used to render patients unconscious -- and idiot teenagers have managed to kill themselves in closed cars while playing around with helium.

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
28. Everything to do with the GOP these days sounds hinky as hell. I'm only saying ...
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:18 AM
Nov 2018

...that's how it could be done, as there are any number of documented cases of 20th century suicide by women who blew out the pilot light on their ovens, knelt down and stuck their head in the door with the gas running. Sylvia Plath was one. I believe they all shut the kitchen door and window first and generally made an effort to keep all the gas in the enclosed space.

Sad but true. Of course murder could be done this way as well, making it look like suicide.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
34. If your body doesn't get enough of the necessary ratio of nitrogen/oxygen to breathe
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 06:32 AM
Nov 2018

then you will be in be in bad shape or dead.

Whether it's carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, methane/propane (like what's used for gas appliances/heat) or any other "gas" like helium -if you are continually exposed to and breathe those gases in excess, they will deprive your body (blood cells) of oxygen, your cells will start to die, you will be rendered unconscious and... the end.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
33. Helium is used in balloons (and some scientific instruments)
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 06:25 AM
Nov 2018
Nitrous oxide is the general anesthetic.

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
37. Apologies! My blushes for the mistake. Even so, not meant for breathing...
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:15 PM
Nov 2018

And the business with the teens made the papers a couple of years ago. Urban legend? When the big tanks for party balloons started showing up in actual retail stores, my first thought was "What could possibly go wrong with that?" But then, I have a low opinion of human behavior.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
38. People end up sucking in helium
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:26 PM
Nov 2018

to get a high pitched Daffy Duck voice!

By the way I am down in D.C. (drove down from Philly this morning). The wretched hive of scum and villainy!

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
31. I never bought the story about his suicide.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:57 AM
Nov 2018

I'm not saying that he didn't intend to kill himself.
He claimed "health problems". He claimed that his life insurance was about to expire.
His life insurance was not about to expire.
I think he was running from something big.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
35. Deep and dark is the republican Skuzzhole of degenerate values
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 06:34 AM
Nov 2018

The republican party is a criminal operation directly opposed to American interests and values.

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