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Delarage

(2,186 posts)
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:31 PM Nov 2018

Jackie Speier Survived Jonestown 40 years ago.

Trump's ramblings remind me of Jim Jones sometimes. I wasn't aware that Jackie Speier (D, CA-14) was shot at Jonestown while helping people escape with congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed in the effort. I also wasn't aware of how seriously he took his job as a representative of all his constituents...including teachers & prisoners. He also wasn't afraid to stand up to people of his own party, if necessary, a trait NO Repuke currently demonstrates.

Inquisitive by nature, he was a proponent of “experiential legislating,” preferring to go out and experience issues firsthand before he decided what to do.

In 1965, after riots shook Watts, an African-American neighborhood in Los Angeles, Ryan briefly took a job there as a substitute teacher while serving in the state Assembly, and used the experience to shape education policy. In 1970, as chairman of a committee overseeing prison reform, he assumed a pseudonym and had himself booked, strip-searched and incarcerated for 10 days at Folsom State Prison, revealing his identity only when it was time to be released.


[link:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/10/jonestown-massacre-first-person-speier-ryan-jones-222222|
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lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
1. I will buy truckloads of purple koolaid
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:37 PM
Nov 2018

in anticipation of the day trump decides that his followers need to go on the final great adventure with him.

perhaps they will all gather at the southern border and build a 20 foot high human wall

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
13. Please don't make kool-aid jokes
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:49 PM
Nov 2018

I lived in San Francisco, during the Jim Jones episode. I frequently drove by his church. I knew people, who had relatives who literally drank the kool-aid. It is a painful memory for those of us who lived there at that time. Everyone in the SF Bay area went through a long period of grief. The people, who followed Jim Jones were mostly poor people. People recovering from addiction. People fleeing violent marriages. Kids fleeing broken homes. The down and out, people who thought they had found a family, a father figure, acceptance, hope for something better. All of them were victims of a cruel con artist gone paranoid and insane.

We don't need to find joy in gullible, foolish people being preyed on by evil heartless men. I am better than that, and I'll bet you are too.

May all sentient beings be free of suffering, and free of the causes and conditions of suffering.
May all sentient beings be happy, and have the causes and conditions of happiness.

hlthe2b

(102,205 posts)
2. I've followed her career for years.. I've always thought she should have gone for D leadership
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:37 PM
Nov 2018

but I think she was just satisfied to be a devoted advocate for her constituents...

Those who don't know her history, will be amazed at what she has experienced.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. :) How many want to take on top leadership
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:06 PM
Nov 2018

responsibilities, though? Or rather, emphatically do not?

Thinking of things most of us really, really, really don't want to do, Nancy raised $700,000,000 last year alone. That was half the entire DNCC budget and was critical to electing many of the people who represent lower-income districts against very well funded Republican opponents.

And in addition to everything else Nancy will pack into killer days next term, she'll start it all over again. If she actually stopped. Of course, she's continuing what she built over years, so it'll be easier for her than if she stepped in new.

It is nice to see Jackie Speier discussed. She seems a good, solid liberal overall.

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hlthe2b

(102,205 posts)
8. It is a skill set that few have & those who do, may well know better than to want to do it, for sure
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:10 PM
Nov 2018

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Maybe they get tired like normal people.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:27 PM
Nov 2018

I've noticed the few really outstanding performers I've been around never seemed to get tired while they had work to do, and if they didn't they found things to do to fill in.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
15. Jackie and Nancy are friends
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:55 PM
Nov 2018

Both from the SF Bay Area. I doubt seriously that Jackie would ever not support Pelosi.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
14. I believe she took 4 bullets
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:52 PM
Nov 2018

It's people like Jackie, who should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. She is a treasure and greatly beloved in the Bay Area.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
4. Remember Jonestown so well
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:53 PM
Nov 2018

It happened at the same time as George Moscone (mayor of San Francisco at that time after a rather bitter battle with Dianne Feinstein for the Mayor's job) and Harvey Milk (a member of the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco) were gunned down by Dan White.

It was a very very sad time in San Francisco and horrific for the American people at large due to the murders in Jonestown.

It was one of those times that you just went ... over and over again.





 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. Wow, seen Jackie's name countless times, never had ANY idea she was at Jonestown and was shot ...
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:03 PM
Nov 2018

This is an amazing article/excerpt/whatever.

firstwife

(115 posts)
12. She spoke at my son's law school graduation
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 02:42 PM
Nov 2018

a few years ago. Very impressive person. Compelling, dramatic true story. She’s been on my radar ever since.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
16. There is a new documentary tonight on the Sundance Channel.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

Part 2 is tomorrow night. Record it if you can.

Spier was badly injured.

Brother Buzz

(36,412 posts)
18. I understand my asshole Libertarian mayor, a teenage survivor, is in it
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 06:16 PM
Nov 2018

He was locking horns with the cult enforcers as a rebellious kid, before even going to Jonestown. He's been mostly quiet on the subject for years, and only started opening up lately.

Here's a decent recount of his story after the shooting began:


https://www.wattpad.com/492851100-down-918-rabbit-holes-165-thom-bogue%27s-odyssey

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
19. That's a detailed description....
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:09 PM
Nov 2018

And gruesome. And sad.

This murder/suicide was horrific, with over 250 kids ages 16 or younger involved.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,379 posts)
17. 40 years ago Sunday Jonestown happened.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018
David Fahrenthold Retweeted

40 years ago Sunday this tragedy happened. The fab @washingtonpost writer Jackie Trescott (@Jtrescott) wrote the story.


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