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Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:19 AM

 

What do you call 36 sealed indictments?

A good start. It has been reported there are 36 sealed indictments. No one knows if they are from Mueller, but the chances are very good they are.

I have said from the beginning this investigation is bigger than Watergate and it will shock the American people. This is and has been a conspiracy, espionage investigation. They are looking for traitors. If you go along with an attack on America that is the definition of a traitor.

Trump surrounded himself with scores of people who are corrupt and liars. Many of the people Mueller talked too will at the very least be charged with perjury . Liars can't help themselves.

We may be getting an early Christmas present from Mueller.

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Reply What do you call 36 sealed indictments? (Original post)
shockey80 Nov 2018 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #1
Sneederbunk Nov 2018 #5
NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #37
3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #40
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #42
3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #44
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #45
3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #47
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #48
LanternWaste Nov 2018 #49
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #50
MineralMan Nov 2018 #2
writes3000 Nov 2018 #4
groundloop Nov 2018 #19
ananda Nov 2018 #3
shockey80 Nov 2018 #6
Racerdog1 Nov 2018 #7
malaise Nov 2018 #8
FBaggins Nov 2018 #9
lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #10
enid602 Nov 2018 #11
justhanginon Nov 2018 #13
FakeNoose Nov 2018 #17
Blue_true Nov 2018 #20
Nasruddin Nov 2018 #31
mastermind Nov 2018 #12
calimary Nov 2018 #14
Hoyt Nov 2018 #15
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #16
Julian Englis Nov 2018 #18
marble falls Nov 2018 #21
DrDan Nov 2018 #22
sandensea Nov 2018 #23
Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #24
DesertRat Nov 2018 #25
shanny Nov 2018 #26
Doodley Nov 2018 #27
quakerboy Nov 2018 #28
Locrian Nov 2018 #38
quakerboy Nov 2018 #54
watoos Nov 2018 #46
quakerboy Nov 2018 #53
YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #29
riverwalker Nov 2018 #36
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #30
chwaliszewski Nov 2018 #32
yonder Nov 2018 #33
olegramps Nov 2018 #34
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #35
maxrandb Nov 2018 #39
hexola Nov 2018 #41
certainot Nov 2018 #43
Heartstrings Nov 2018 #51
Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #52
brettdale Nov 2018 #55

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:51 AM

1. "It has been reported there are 36 sealed indictments."

Who has reported that? How reliable is the source?

And let's not forget Fitzmas, which as we all know took down the George W. Bush administration.

Oh, wait, that never happened.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:11 AM

5. +1

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:28 PM

37. There may be 36 sealed indictments

but, we have no idea if they're related to the Trump/Russia Treason Conspiracy or something else entirely...

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:44 AM

40. Wasn't Fitzmas fucked because the Dem. Congress gave immunity to witnesses?

Then, Fitz couldn't extort them?

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:01 AM

42. Extort?

That seems a wise word choice, to you?

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:08 AM

44. Yes. In this case, we agree with the intended outcome. We all hated Bush/Cheney.

But prosecutors abuse the judicial system when they are prosecuting a crime. Then the arraignment is stacked with multiple minor violations. You agree to plea to 10 of the offenses and we will drop the other 60.

Don't testify against ..... and we will drop 15 of the charges. Yes, its extortion.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:14 AM

45. The Legal Definition of Extortion

"The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right. Under the Common Law, extortion is a misdemeanor consisting of an unlawful taking of money by a government officer."


You sure?

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:29 AM

47. No longer.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:37 AM

48. It's A Cite From The Legal Dictionary

I'll go by what they say.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 12:06 PM

49. I doubt there's much of a Fitzmas analogy to be made.

"And let's not forget Fitzmas..."

As Mueller has already indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 32 people and three companies ó that we know of, composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer, I doubt there's much of a Fitzmas analogy to be made.

Six of these people (including now all four former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty.

No need to wait, that already happened.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:23 PM

50. Yes, I know about those things,

but it does not appear that any substantive changes have occurred. Trump is still appointing truly awful people to the judiciary. Who keep on being confirmed with the help of Democrats, I might add. Clean air, clean water, safe food regulations are steadily being rolled back. The drumbeat of how we cannot afford to keep Medicare or Social Security keeps beating louder.

I look at all these things and I'm terribly discouraged.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:57 AM

2. Reported by whom? Link, please.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:02 AM

4. From ABC News: "There are dozens of sealed criminal indictments on the DC docket...."

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:15 PM

19. OMG - someone who won't blindly accept statements and actually seeks out truth and facts !!!!!

If only the majority of the American electorate would ask a few simple questions like this.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:59 AM

3. Muellermas!

nt

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:25 AM

6. MSNBC has reported it.

 

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:25 AM

7. Beginning of the end.

 

Sooner the better.

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Response to Racerdog1 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:27 AM

8. Yep n/t

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:28 AM

9. Speculative fiction?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:31 AM

10. The targets know they're indicted, right?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:38 AM

11. agents

"Trump surrounded himself with scores of people who are corrupt and liars. Many of the people Mueller talked too will at the very least be charged with perjury . Liars can't help themselves."


Remember, the Russians have been cultivating agents for decades.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:51 AM

13. Yes, Trump has seemingly made a requirement on job resumes

that you can show some degree of hidden corruption. Unfortunately for them, these things usually always come out. There must be a lot of deservedly very nervous people in the administration right now.

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Response to justhanginon (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:02 PM

17. Cheeto only wants to hire people just like himself

... in other words, greedy, venal, corrupt liars. Every one!

I think that's his version of kompromat, and you can bet that Cheeto knows all about kompromat too. He's been on Putin's list for at least 20 years.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:21 PM

20. I like Kellyanne's husband's description.

"A shitshow in a dumpster fire". I know the asshole is evil, but that description was good.

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Response to justhanginon (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:16 PM

31. They have to be "made" men

That is they have to have made their bones somehow, somewhere

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:45 AM

12. sounds like RICO. nt

 

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:53 AM

14. Hope.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:58 AM

15. Hoping, but this has happened before and nothing happened to trump. Lots of crooks out there.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:01 PM

16. QAnon reports there are over 50,000 sealed indictments!


Q sheep say "You got me at '50,000 indictments'" and then they stop listening. They think those are ALL against HRC & Obama allies.

That's 50,000 over all of the USA.
That's including many other types of court documents.

36 from Mueller is believable, though I'm sure the actual figure is different because Mueller's team hardly leaks at all.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:12 PM

18. There may also be sealed indictments in the SDNy and other districts

Letís hope there are. The more sealed indictment in additional districts related to Muellerís investigation and other investigations, the better the odds are of justice being achieved despite tRumpís ongoing acts of obstruction.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:23 PM

21. Dumpster-fire at the White House.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:24 PM

22. a good start

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:33 PM

23. The Trump Administration?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:42 PM

24. The tip of the iceberg

The question is, how many of these will remain sealed and for how long? The American people deserve to know. Every little minute stinking bit of it. Nothing is too political for our consumption. If there are 36 sealed indictments against Republicans and Republicans alone, then so be it. They are a criminal syndicate; the DNC is not. We may have individuals scofflaws; their criminality is endemic.

We can handle this, Mr. Mueller. Tell us the truth. Let us root out all evil from our government. It's not a witch hunt if the facts point toward a crime or crimes having been committed. We need the truth here; not some watered-down "everyone is guilty of something" conclusion. This isn't a CNN round panel. The bad guys can all wear red, especially if the RNC was involved.

Tell. Us. The. Truth. Or else we'll never be able to fix this mess....and the deniers will be able to continue to deny.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:49 PM

25. Unusual. nt

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:54 PM

26. "36 sealed indictments" That's it.

 

But do you know what I would consider surprising? If Mueller plumbed and exposed the depths of not only the tRump campaign/administration, but also of the global big business money-laundering tax-evading SOP. That would be surprising.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:55 PM

27. If so, expect America to declare war on another nation to create the mother of all distractions.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:57 PM

28. Call me when anything actually happens

Sealed indictments means NOTHING.

Trump is POTUS, and SCOTUS has his back.

The only thing that has even a ghost of a chance of changing the situation is the presentation of impeachable offenses with irrefutable evidence, all put into the public domain and causing such a reaction among the american population that it forces not only hesitant Democrats in the house to take action as serious as Impeachment, but also at a level that would force the corrupt Republicans of the Senate to take action.

Till we have that.. Indictments dont mean a thing. Especially sealed indictments. From an unknown source. Via an unknowns source.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:05 AM

38. "all put into the public domain and causing such a reaction among the american population "

and THAT is key. Anything else and I fear a "deal" or some kind of coverup because the "truth is too disruptive"

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Response to Locrian (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:11 AM

54. Exactly

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:29 AM

46. Are you serious?

 

An indictment means a grand jury found cause for criminal charges to go to jury trial. Once the indictments are sealed the new acting AG stooge can't stop them.

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Response to watoos (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:11 AM

53. Deadly serious

Whats the end game here? Whats the play that makes this make any difference at all?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:59 PM

29. If this is legit and they are related to the Mueller investigation

I'd call them Mueller telling the story of Trump/Russia via indictments, so that whatever happens to his report, the bombshell items can't be hidden from the public.

I'd call them leads for the Democrats to pursue in their investigations in the House come January.

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 02:26 PM

36. A friend said the same thing

The indictments will tell the story, not the final report.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:07 PM

30. Some of them could be Mueller's; some (or all) could be for other cases.

We have no way of knowing until they are unsealed. Sealed indictments aren't all that uncommon so I'm not assuming anything about these.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:21 PM

32. Muelltide season is upon us!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:24 PM

33. "What do you call 36 sealed indictments"?

If accurate, Christmas.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:26 PM

34. We have no idea what the indictments contain.

They may be have been issued by Mueller or other prosecutors with no connection to the Mueller investigation. This is what I read in the referenced article.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 01:27 PM

35. It's a nice thought, but don't get your hopes too high on this

If these are from Mueller, lot of these indictments are likely revolving around relatively minor charges - lying to the FBI being chief among them.

Trump won't be convicted by the Senate. That does not mean that impeachment should not be pursued if warranted, but he will still hold office; still get to choose who is AG, and will still have the power of pardon. He won't hesitate to pardon Junior.

I'm actually more interested in the SDNY work than Mueller's work. I think the odds are really high that many of the Trumpsters can be bagged on good old fashioned money laundering and tax evasion charges.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:09 AM

39. The Special Counsel in "RAKING UP" the criminals!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:52 AM

41. As of today - it's 36 days to Christmas - ok everybody - key of C...

 

"On the first day of Christmas - Mueller gave to We...."

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:01 AM

43. make it so!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:27 PM

51. All I want for Christmas are some Mueller indictments!

Preferably with the name trump on them!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:36 PM

52. I used to get excited when I heard stuff like that. Not so much anymore.

We hear some version of this about every two weeks, and all it reminds me of is that....its been two more weeks. And nothings happened, and he spent more money and rewarded himself w golf and charging us. I'm tired of the mystery meat indictment shit. If he gets charged tomorrow ill apologize. He wont. Hes ruined looking at any tv anywhere.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:37 AM

55. What is the Source?

36 sealed indictments sounds juicy.

But is the source...

A: Louise Mensch
B: Claude Taylor
C: Brian Krassenstein
D: Tom Arnold
E: A Blogger
F: A website that is made up to look like a news site, but is just a fancy website.
G: Rawstory


If the source is none of the above, then Im hopeful.

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