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Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:24 PM

Democrats Want to Change a 181-Year-Old Rule to Allow Religious Headwear in the House

As they prepare to welcome two newly-elected Muslim women into the 116th Congress, Democrats have proposed a clarification to a 181-year-old rule banning representatives from wearing hats on the House floor.

If approved, the new rules would allow lawmakers to wear religious headwear, like hijabs and kippahs, once Democrats take control of the chamber in January.

Representative-elect Ilhan Omar, one of the first two Muslim women to serve in Congress, wears a headscarf. She was born in Somalia and came to the United States as a refugee.




The proposed rule was co-authored by current House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, ranking Democrat on the Rules Committee Rep. Jim McGovern and Omar. It comes as part of the Democrats’ new House rules proposal package. The drafted changes promise to “ensure religious expression,” by “clarify[ing] in the rules that religious headwear is permitted to be worn in the House chamber.”



More:http://time.com/5458281/democrats-proposed-rule-allow-religious-headwear-house/

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Reply Democrats Want to Change a 181-Year-Old Rule to Allow Religious Headwear in the House (Original post)
sheshe2 Nov 2018 OP
JHan Nov 2018 #1
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #2
demigoddess Nov 2018 #3
AZ8theist Nov 2018 #4
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #5
Volaris Nov 2018 #19
George II Nov 2018 #6
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #8
George II Nov 2018 #9
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #11
912gdm Nov 2018 #28
Yavin4 Nov 2018 #36
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #37
SixString Nov 2018 #38
keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #7
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #10
rpannier Nov 2018 #33
keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #34
rpannier Nov 2018 #35
keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #40
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #12
Fatemah2774 Nov 2018 #13
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #14
Iggo Nov 2018 #31
TNNurse Nov 2018 #15
JI7 Nov 2018 #17
TNNurse Nov 2018 #25
sandensea Nov 2018 #16
LakeArenal Nov 2018 #18
msongs Nov 2018 #20
Equinox Moon Nov 2018 #22
leftynyc Nov 2018 #41
Fatemah2774 Nov 2018 #23
not_the_one Nov 2018 #21
Igel Nov 2018 #24
sheshe2 Nov 2018 #27
Raine Nov 2018 #39
MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #26
Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #29
MineralMan Nov 2018 #30
Iggo Nov 2018 #32
sl8 Nov 2018 #42
HAB911 Nov 2018 #43

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:28 PM

1. Incredible this is a thing, and it's just a turban.

K&R Sheshe

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Response to JHan (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:39 PM

2. Thanks, JHan.

So much diversity came with that blue wave. We can do it again in 2020.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 03:50 PM

3. a scarf is not a hat and women have always been allowed to wear hats indoors.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:28 PM

4. And with that, these idiots heads will explode:

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:36 PM

5. Yep. That they will!

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:47 PM

19. No, cause now they get to wear their cult-hats in the chamber lol...Wins for everyone!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:41 PM

6. Decades ago they made NYC Congresswoman Bella Abzug take off her trademark hat and....

...when first elected they made Frederica Wilson remove hers, too.

Do they make men take off their cheap-ass toupees? NO!!!

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:45 PM

8. Like Rand Paul?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:48 PM

9. Bazinga!

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Response to George II (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:52 PM

11. That thing on his head is frightening.

Wonder if he puts curlers in it at night.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:15 PM

28. I think its a snap-on

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:23 AM

36. It's an endangered species. Leave it alone.

Trump wears one as well. They're trying to get them to mate and re-populate the species.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:28 AM

37. OMG

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:23 AM

38. Hey she.

Either post your evidence to back up this innuendo or post your apology.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1034&pid=10197

sheshe2 (51,779 posts)
14. I love googling the urban dictionary.


Telling.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:44 PM

7. 181 years ago? Must have been anti-Jewish for then.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:50 PM

10. Most likely.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:09 PM

33. I looked it up and it wasn't

The origins of congress wearing hats indoors dated to the British Parliament, which started wearing hats to show their independence as a body from the king.
The dispute came as one side wanted hats removed because people removed their hats when they came indoors and hats were usually removed indoors when business was being conducted. The side that wanted hats argued that their heritage came from Parliament -- which was mocked as the U.S. had no monarchy, while some argued there was no place to put their hats (the cloak room did not exist at the time).

It was a fairly heated dispute for years. The House finally purchased desks that had shelves for papers and documents and a shelf for members to store their hats

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Response to rpannier (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:17 PM

34. Interesting... link?

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Response to rpannier (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 07:30 AM

40. Thanks.... interesting term - 'Father of the House'

Then at the end, wearing a hat as a symbol of protest.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:52 PM

12. I expect to see a few red MAGA hats in the chamber.

It's an opportunity to be even more annoying.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:54 PM

13. Make it religous only

And not political.

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Response to Fatemah2774 (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 04:55 PM

14. To Republicans, the two are indistinguishable. nt

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Response to Fatemah2774 (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:03 PM

31. "Congress shall make no law..."

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:16 PM

15. So if a nun who wears a habit and head cover were elected to Congress???

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:22 PM

17. the law would be for things like that

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Response to JI7 (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:04 PM

25. But not now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:19 PM

16. "I told you Sharia Law was comin' Sue Ellen! Git me my AR-15, woman!"

"Well, Jethro. Which one?"

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:29 PM

18. Please Congress, join us in the 21st Century.

We live here. No one cares about anybody’s hat.

Let them wear MAGA. Then they can’t hide when the poopgibon hits the fan...

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 05:56 PM

20. why grant privege to the religionists. allow all headwear. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:08 PM

22. Why is this a thing? It is not a burka. It is a head scarf.

Jewish people wear the yamaka and their is no rule for that.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:42 AM

41. Yarmulkes are not allowed either (n/t)

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:29 PM

23. As discussed earlier

What if someone wore a political (MAGA) hat...so should be for religious purposes and not political grandstanding.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:06 PM

21. Are yarmulkes allowed?

 

If so.....

Personally I would prefer NO religious symbols. AT. ALL.

But we atheists try to make allowances for personal expressions, no matter how misguided.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:02 PM

24. No.

No kippahs. No hijabs. No top hats or cowboy hats. No Carmen Miranda fruit bowls. No Indian headdresses.

Toupes and wigs are in a different category. But like tables and chairs, if you try hard you can blur what's usually a pretty obvious difference.

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Response to Igel (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:06 PM

27. The headline states that it has to do with religious head wear.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 06:10 AM

39. I agree

I would prefer NO religious symbols, I don't believe religion should be mixed in with politics ... total separation of church (any church) and state.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:06 PM

26. here come the MAGA hats. nt

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:04 PM

29. Sheesh. They need to concentrate on important stuff, not headwear.

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Response to Red Raider 85 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 08:50 PM

30. This IS Important Stuff.

She chooses to adopt a head covering because of her religious beliefs. She was elected by tho voters in Minnesota, and will be a member of the House. A stupid patriarchal rule will be changed because of her. It is a far more important thing than you realize.

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Response to Red Raider 85 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 09:06 PM

32. What other monumentous legislation do you think they should have come up with...

...in the two seconds it took to come up with, "Hey! Let's wear hats!"

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:12 AM

42. Democratic House Rules Proposal

Democratic House Rules Proposal
Summary of proposed changes to the House Rules for the 116th Congress, presented Nov. 15, 2018.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/democratic-house-rules-proposal/2348/?tid=a_inl_manual

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:14 AM

43. OK, what about Pastafarianism?

Who will determine what is a "real" religion?!



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