Did Hillary Clinton Really Have Her Aides Smash Her Devices?

[erpowers]

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Today, on The View Meghan McCain claimed that Hillary Clinton had her aides smash the devices, on which she had received government emails, with hammers. Is that actually true? Was that claim ever made during the 2016 election? I had never heard that claim before. I assume if that accusation had been made during the 2016 election Donald Trump would have been saying that everyday until the election. He brought up the fact that her emails had been deleted, but I do not recall him ever going as far as to say that she ordered people to smash her devices with hammers. Can anyone give me accurate information?

[Wounded Bear]

1. I remember RWers claiming this was true...

don't think I ever heard proof.

[underpants]

5. Snopes

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-smash-phone-hammer/

[ehrnst]

15. And many on the left who hated her also clutched their pearls at the very thought.

It was state department protocol to destroy one's phone.

If Clinton had in fact used a federally-issued Blackberry like President Obama does, it might well have been destroyed after she used it, too. In accordance with a 2012 General Services Administration bulletin, all agencies must either recycle or donate used electronics for reuse. The State Department abides by that policy, too; if Clinton had been using State-issued devices, they would have gone through a similar, if more standardized, process of data deletion. A State Department official explained in a statement to WIRED that "department security policies mandate that all electronic devices are cleared of sensitive or classified information prior to reuse or disposal.” Some devices are wiped and reused, in other words, while others are destroyed as part of the recycling process.

There are plenty of ways to approach data destruction through software-based deletion or overwriting. But hardware destruction has the advantage of simplicity; An amateur might not be certain that a software deletion tool has rendered data unrecoverable against advanced forensic techniques, given that it is sometimes possible to restore "deleted" data. In mechanical hard drives, for example, the system may mark data as deleted but leave it in place until it is overwritten by new inputs. But smash storage hardware to small enough bits, and not even the cleverest forensic techniques can put the data back together coherently. "You can easily physically destroy things," says Brown. "You just need to make sure you're thorough in doing it."

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-phones-better/

[exboyfil]

26. That is why I retain the hard drive of

Every computer I give up on.

[retread]

32. I hammer nails in all my old hard drives I don't reuse.

[exboyfil]

33. I probably should do that

I keep them in a drawer in my desk. Probably for no good reason. I have read data off them in the past when I have had a computer failure.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

35. Oh for the love of god. Are you my partner?

We have like six boxes he refuses to send to recycling.

No one cares enough about your 1990s AOL password to dig the machine out of a landfill or wherever they go to computer heaven.


Need to get me one of these:

[exboyfil]

36. I only have three HDs

but I concede your point. I guess four if you count my old eMachines desk top moldering in the basement. It still works, but it can't do much and I have to hook it up to a TV because the monitor died.

I have actually only taken four computers out of service in my life. My first desk top did get passed to my FIL, but it was before the days of high speed internet, and I think I did clear everything off of it.

My second desk top did die, and I got rid of it (keeping the HD)

I have two HDs from my first now deceased Compaq laptop.

[JHan]

27. I recall as well she was denied a secure blackberry during her SoS hearings.

I would expect her to be obsessed about not hanging on to one device for too long.

[brooklynite]

2. "Aids"?

[erpowers]

18. Misspelling

I misspelled the word. I have since changed the spelling. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[underpants]

3. Yes. It's actually US Govt procedure

If the phone isn't going to be redistributed:
Cleanse it of data
SIM card out of it has one
Bust the shit out if it

At least I remember reading that a few years ago.

The right got ahold of this and made it into a "Oh my gosh! Can you believe it ! " thing.

[rogue emissary]

11. +1

It's funny they hit her for being sloppy in not following all the rules. Then hit her for following the rules of destroying a governmental device with top secret encryption on it.

I'm sure no one on the view table pointed this fact out. Mccain is dishonest or ignorant as she should know this is the standard operating procedure.

[underpants]

12. She's just repeating their nonsense

Repetition is key to them.

[uponit7771]

19. +1

[Hekate]

24. Drill press thru the hard drive is how hubby's boss treats old hard drives.

He's even more paranoid about data than my husband, which is saying something.

Hillary's instructions to her aides regarding old electronics were pretty good and not nefarious.

[saidsimplesimon]

4. Consider the source,

Meghan McCain is a Republican political hack. Mute is a gift when she opens her mouth. imo

[underpants]

6. Article from Wired

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-phones-better/amp

[mr_lebowski]

7. AFAIK it is more or less true, prior to receiving any order to retain them, over the course of her

tenure, she upgraded her physical device a number of times (phone upgrades basically), and the previous ones were destroyed, but this was done PER PROTOCOL.

And anything sent over the internet or mobile phone system ... texts, emails, call logs, VM messages ... are all kept on external servers anyways, so you're not really 'destroying' anything by destroying your phone 'cept maybe pictures, your contact list, etc.

[gratuitous]

8. McCain's done worrying about Trump dissing the troops, I see

Back to playing the golden oldies of days gone by.

[Freethinker65]

9. Destroying hardrives is procedure. This was another nonstory Trump fed the media and idiots cling to

[TexasProgresive]

10. It's exactly the procedure at my former employment

We broke phones and drilled holes in hard drives when getting new devices. I do it with our personal devices.

[oberliner]

13. I think you mean aides

[erpowers]

17. Yes n/t

[LanternWaste]

21. You should bring it up one more time...

[oberliner]

23. They already made the correction

So it's all good!

[LanternWaste]

28. Are we sure?

Accuracy is often the excuse for petulant corrections... over and over again.

As previously illustrated.

But I doubt all is good.

Fair enough.

[oberliner]

31. Yeah, check the subject line

It says "aides" now.

[In It to Win It]

14. Yes. I read the report on that.

If I recall correctly, Clinton and her team were getting new devices so they destroyed the old devices so that the sensitive content stored on those devices are destroyed.

[JHan]

16. Meghan McCain is a very stupid person. that is all.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

20. It's Meghan McCain. She hates Hillary Clinton because...

...well, she's Hillary Clinton.

It's even standard military procedure for hard drives. They use a program to overwrite any data on it with binary of "01010101010..." first, and then they remove the hard drive plates and physically destroy them.

Meghan's an idiot who got to where she is just because of her father. She's Ivanka's twin, essentially.

[jmowreader]

22. Yes, and so what?

Hillary was State Department not Army, but the Army’s information security regulation not only calls for physical destruction of equipment that handled sensitive data, it tells you how to do it.

Not that it matters anyway: all the sensitive data was on her server too.

[Sancho]

25. All her servers were back up..so it doesn't matter...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

In November 2012, without explanation, Clinton's private email account was reconfigured to use Google's servers as a backup in case her own personal email server failed, according to Internet records. That is significant because Clinton publicly supported Google's accusations in June 2011 that China's government had tried to break into the Google mail accounts of senior U.S. government officials. It was one of the first instances of a major American corporation openly accusing a foreign government of hacking.
Then, in July 2013, five months after she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton's private email server was reconfigured again to use a Denver-based commercial email provider, MX Logic, which is now owned by McAfee Inc., a top Internet security company.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

[riversedge]

29. the downfall of Ivanka using her private email is that Hilary will be dragged in

again and again.

[RhodeIslandOne]

30. Meghan McCain is a fucking idiot

I've known a few people like her in my life. People with money who think they know all, and because of who they hang with never get told otherwise. Just like Ivanka.

[Adrahil]

34. Was standard protocol in the DoD...

And digital storage device being retired had undergo a complete bit wipe and then be physically destroyed.

We used a 12 pound sledge. Used it on phones, old hard drives, flash drives, etc.

My current company requires it as well.