Your feelings concerning Nancy Pelosi?

[busterbrown]

I feel she's done a good job over the years.. Let her transition the House to the Majority Party for
God's Sakes.. She deserves it!

Most of the new young progressive House Representatives will have their day..

[redstatebluegirl]

1. Agreed, we need experience in that position.

[Hortensis]

61. Proven brilliance and ferocious commitment are good also,

right? A lot of historians feel she's been the most effective single Democratic congressional leader since Lyndon Johnson was senate minority and majority leader. A huge difference is that he served during our nation's New Deal era of Democratic ascendance and she during the conservative Reagan era of Republican ascendance that started around 1978 and may finally be ending...

WaPo May 8: Pelosi on Democratic candidates who denounce her: ‘Just win, baby.’

And with her considerable talent and assistance helping lift hundreds of candidates, and of course Trump's assistance also, they did. We're currently at 233 seats, with 3 still being counted.

“Just win, baby. I have made some very powerful enemies. They don’t say we’re against her because she passed healthcare reform or because she took on Wall Street. They say she’s San Francisco. Yes. She’s liberal. Yes. She’s pro-LGBT. Yes. You will be, too. It’s just a matter of time.”

[Mr. Ected]

2. My feelings? Unrequited, unfortunately.

But my unwavering support is hers and hers alone.

[guillaumeb]

3. And when exactly will that day come?

There is something to be said for experience in leadership, but if the leaders never step aside, how does one receive that experience?

[33taw]

6. There a many leadership roles in congress. Including multiple committees and subcommittees.

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Generally, these individuals transition to overall leadership rolls.

[guillaumeb]

11. No one is born to leadership.

Not even Pelosi.

And there is something to be said for an older generation stepping aside to allow for younger talent to come forward.

Pelosi has over 15 years in the position as Minority Leader or Speaker.

[Bfd]

16. So why the sudden frantic rush? Considering who's pushing this angry chant, I think we'll be

wiser to leave things as they are with the Dem power structure.

[guillaumeb]

18. I understand your view,

but is there ever a good time? And if so, when?

[marylandblue]

59. 2020.

[guillaumeb]

60. But then the argument will be that we must not exhibit any sign of difference. eom

[marylandblue]

63. No, by then she will step down

She help lead us to victory. You don't reward a good leader by dumping her, especially when you have nobody else willing to do it.

The Republicans hounded Boehner out of office, then forced the weak Paul Ryan to take over.

[guillaumeb]

65. There is no sign that she would step down.

And the argument would be that she must stay to guide us.

[marylandblue]

68. She said she is "transitional," so that's a big hint

More importantly, the group that wants to replace has not put forth one of their own as a challenger. They have not advanced any argument against her other than she has been there too long. First they tried to hide behind a black woman who didn't want the job. Now they are hoping an alternative will come rescue while they hold the entire party hostage.

If they don't like her, they need to prove there is a leader among them. Which there obviously isn't.

[33taw]

22. I thought you asked how leadership is learned? It is through progressive leadership roles.

For example: The Vice Chairman of our local Democratic Party is 18 years old. He is great. He was the secretary last year, vice chairman this year and has a mentor who is 65 years old who helps him with local and statewide issues. He will likely be the Chairman here or elsewhere one day. He will also take one statewide or national rolls one day.

The only individuals that I have heard have any interest are Steny Hoyer and Marcia Fudge. Neither of these individuals are the youthful alternatives you are seeking. Whoever takes on the role needs to want it.

Personally, I don’t have a big dog in this fight. I just want someone with leadership experience and knows the ins and outs of politics. This person will need to recognize that Dems are in a role that will require compromise with the Senate and Trump to pass anything. Adam Schiff and Eli Cummings will be leading committees that take on Trump and I would not change either of those right now.

Who are your thoughts on who should lead the house?

[guillaumeb]

24. To your last, critical point:

Do any of these Democrats have an alternative to propose?

[33taw]

27. I don' want Steny Hoyer. I don't know Marcia Fudge.

[guillaumeb]

28. And you cannot replace a person with "someone better".

Like looking for the perfect candidate.

[33taw]

30. Who other than Steny Hoyer has expressed an interest?

Or, who would you like to see?

[33taw]

33. Looking for someone who wants to be a candidate. Any ideas?

[guillaumeb]

49. I have preferences,

but my preferences have nothing to do with an alternative candidate being announced.

[Me.]

57. THis May Be A Problem For Her

“Democratic Rep. Marcia Fudge sent a letter several years ago supporting a former state lawmaker and judge in Ohio who is now accused of killing his ex-wife, an incident that could play out in the contest over the next speaker of the House.

Fudge asked for leniency in sentencing for Lance Mason in a 2015 letter after Mason admitted to brutally beating his then-wife, Aisha Fraser. On Saturday, Mason was arrested in connection with Fraser's death.

The case could become a political problem for Fudge, who is considering challenging Nancy Pelosi for speaker in the next Congress. Fudge is back home in Ohio this week and was going to consult with her family about whether to jump into the leadership race. But Fudge is now tied to a criminal case that is dominating headlines back in Cleveland.

Mason previously served nine months in prison for beating up Fraser, a sixth-grade teacher, in front of their daughters. He's now been arrested on suspicion of murder in connection with Fraser’s death, according to the Shaker Heights Police Department. Mason injured a police officer while trying to drive away from the scene of the incident, according to news reports."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215

“A former Ohio judge who served just nine months in prison for brutally beating his wife four years ago has been arrested after she was found stabbed to death….

Aisha Fraser's body was discovered in the driveway of her home in the city of Shaker Heights on Saturday.

In 2014 Mason punched Fraser around 20 times after the couple argued while returning from a relative’s funeral.

He repeatedly slammed her head into the dashboard, armrest and passenger window of a car and bit her on the face during the attack.“

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lance-mason-aisha-fraser-wife-stabbed-ohio-judge-arrested-police-a8640571.html

And his very young children were in the car when he beat her.

[33taw]

29. Personally, I believe all politicians have their own agendas.

It is just a matter of whether you agree with them or not.

[Blecht]

46. I prefer cinnamon rolls

[33taw]

48. Hee Hee!! Whoops, fixed.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Like all the younger professionals in an office, they all think they deserve to be boss on day one!

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Their day will come as the old guard retires. While change is slow, it helps to buffer against faction.

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[guillaumeb]

25. And if the old guard does not retire? eom

[33taw]

44. Pelosi does not need to be selected for the position. But someone else needs to step up.

So far, that has not happened. Some people bitch they don’t like Pelosi and she needs to step aside. But they offer no candidates that want to take on the role. I have several candidates that I would like to see take this role, but they haven’t indicated they are interested. If Steny Hoyer is the only other candidate - no thanks.

I feel like you are saying - “everything is broken, I know what’s wrong, but YOU need to go fix it”. Offer some solutions or promote alternatives. But don’t keep whining that it is the wrong solution without offering an alternative. It is hard to be enlisted into leading? Isn’t it?

[guillaumeb]

50. I agree.

It is silly to say "anyone but Pelosi" because anyone is not an actual candidate.

[33taw]

69. Marcia Fudge just pulled out.

Do you want to see someone other than Pelosi? I am okay with her, she knows her way around politics. But, with that said - I would be open to others wanting the position. But definatly not Steny Hoyer.

[guillaumeb]

70. There are Representatives that I like.

Including Pelosi.

But no matter who the current leader, change will happen.

[TheBlackAdder]

66. She's seventy-freakin-eight years old. She'll smack Trump down, while a replacement is groomed.

[brush]

71. That is an inaccurate narative. There are 20-some mid-career ranking members...

of House committees who will likely become committee chairs in January. They include Schiff, Cummings, Lowey, Yarmuth and Smith among others.

We've all seen Cummings and Schiff numerous times in televised committee hearings effectively pushing back agains repug shenanigans.

We have very experienced leaders quite capable of stepping forward when the time comes.

[lancelyons]

4. she has done some good things for Dems

She has been vilified by the right. She is the GOP's boogey monster.

she has not done anything to deserve that vilification.

the right portion of the democratic party should push back on her being a boogey monster instead of appeasing trump fans in their constituencies.


With that being said, I would like to see some younger folks in the Dem party have some leader ship roles where they get out and talk.

Nancy seems ok with this.

[ProudLib72]

5. Nancy gets things done. Period

Five White Guys need a tongue lashing from the other Dem congress people.

[chillfactor]

7. She is the srongest leader for the House.....

the newbies do not have the strength or the experience to lead right now!

[thegoose]

9. Spot on

We need to get this party started in January, not deal with a trainee.

[hlthe2b]

8. Exceptional and a mentor to the next generation. Despite the targeting by conservadem men, she

is the OBVIOUS choice for the immediate future.

[Lithos]

10. We need her as a general

But she should focus on transition to the next generation over the next two years. That includes her and the other Senior people (Whip, etc.)

L-

[ooky]

12. She's the proven leader.

She pushed the ACA through the House for goddsakes. What more do we need to say?

[yortsed snacilbuper]

13. She'll beat drump like a rented mule!

[RhodeIslandOne]

14. She is holding the seat and enjoying a victory lap until Schiff finishes with Trump

Schiff will be Speaker when he completes his work with the crime family. I'm fine with her in the short term but we need to cultivate younger leaders now.

[sprinkleeninow]

37. "...when Schiff finishes with trump." 🤣😄😝😂😅

Honorable and Esteemed Adam. He got the chops--OH yeah!

[OriginalGeek]

15. She should be speaker

all the complaints I've seen have basically boiled down to "but I'm booooorrrrred with her..." and that whiny shit don't work for me.

The world needs her experience and toughness in there right now and until she feels she's done.

[smirkymonkey]

32. This!

[lillypaddle]

19. She rocks

[gratuitous]

20. One of the most accomplished politicians of recent vintage

Smart, savvy, and extremely accomplished. A career spent fighting for Democratic ideals in the best traditions of the American experiment. A congressperson who has ably represented her constituents, her party, and indeed all of America, working tirelessly to advance the interests of all citizens.

BUT . . . .

Her eyes are too wide. 1 out of 10. A near complete failure.

[elocs]

21. My feelings about Nancy? We're just good friends. At least that's what she said. n/t

[Vinca]

23. She's perfect for the Speaker position, but . . .

it's time to start transitioning the younger generation into leadership roles. None of us lives forever.

[Hekate]

26. Tremendous asset to our side, in every imaginable way. nt

[bdamomma]

31. I would like her

to stay, we need her right now. We have too much work to be done.

[sprinkleeninow]

34. Yes, my bones are telling me that she should be kept in place 'cause she knows the ropes.

It's an unsettling time and not the time for a change of not exact certainty.

Just my 25¢...

[DeminPennswoods]

35. Not the time for amatuers

nt

[Bev54]

36. Get rid of Hoyer

Pelosi has done a lot for the democrats and is extremely good at her job, one of the best legislators the dems have. The 5 guys tend to be on the right and I would say republicans who ran as democrats, they do not support Nancy's left agenda and painted her as a centrist to the new lefties who were elected. This of course is untrue and the dems do not need this fight right now and I am suspicious of their actions.
Get rid of Hoyer (he has done nothing), put someone new and younger in there and let Nancy mentor them to succeed her. She would love to retire and had planned on it, had Hillary won the election. Instead she stayed on to save the ACA and the dems should let her see this dangerous administration through until they can be evicted from the WH. She rocks!

[Demsrule86]

39. Also, Nancy can stay as long as she chooses...and young progressives need to put in the time...sorry

there is no free lunch...get to work!

[lilactime]

58. +1

[Demsrule86]

38. None of the young house progressives are capable of being speaker yet and it is not the

progressives who have mounted this battle...conservative leaning Democrats are after Nancy. I called Representative Fudge today and v voice my displeasure with her allowing these folks to use her.

[Staph]

40. I'm a trustee for a non-profit.

For the last thirty years, I have told our directors that an important part of their job responsibilities was to train their replacements. They have done a magnificent job, until the latest director. He was on the job for two years before a serious heart condition (he's in his early 40s!) meant he had to step down, before he had fully trained up that replacement. Fortunately, we had a former director who could step in.

I want Nancy Pelosi in the job - not because she deserves it, not because she's a woman. I want Pelosi because she gets things done. But she does need to be training her replacement, along with the replacements for all of the other leadership positions in the House.

[0rganism]

41. she does a fine job as speaker, and i hope she has a much younger understudy

unfortunately, over the years, she's been heavily branded by Republicans and the compliant punditry. we may need someone else to lead the house going in to 2020, but "someone else" isn't actually a person, so i hope she's grooming a hyper-competent successor with a ton of electoral appeal and minimal pre-branding.

[gldstwmn]

42. Where is she on impeachment?

I honestly can't recall at this point.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

43. She's a good leader

She's much better at her job than Chuck Schumer. I think she should have the job for this term but hand the gavel to someone younger for the 2020 cycle. Maybe Barbara Lee?

[Power 2 the People]

45. If Nancy wins she has my support.

Barbara Lee and Marcia Fudge would be fabulous choices and should not be overlooked.

[aikoaiko]

47. I think Pelosi for 2 years and a plan for leadership mentorship/change is...

...is the best of all options.

[flor-de-jasmim]

51. She is probably still the best against McConnell.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

52. She's probably the most experienced we have right now

Those screaming for change don't seem to have any idea of who to replace her with. That unsureness is not the kind of change we need.

[rzemanfl]

53. I'm going to wait until after Post removed posts. n/t

[mcar]

54. Best Speaker in at least a generation

[The Blue Flower]

55. Her experience is critical right now

Losing her would be a serious self-inflicted wound.

[Jarqui]

56. She has taken a lot of hits for our cause

I am grateful for what she has done and continue to like and respect her.
I cannot think of anyone as qualified to take over now.

I do think we need to prepare for the future. I've always preferred a transition towards 2020 with her starting as leader and helping groom someone to take the reins

[Snackshack]

62. Disappointed.

When she declared impeachment is off the table for 43 when Dems took back the house.

When she decided Sen. Franken needed to resign before any investigation was done.

When she said recently that impeachment is not a priority concerning 45.

If she’s want to be Speaker again I have no problem with that but I hope she will have a little more assertiveness in the role as speaker.

[Bettie]

64. I think she's the right person for now

however, she should be mentoring some of the new people, since none of our leadership will be around forever and we should plan for that.

[Lunabell]

67. Nancy Pelosi has earned her way up.

She is a force that we need to rely behind this year. Once we wrest away powe from the degenerate in office, we can discuss new leadership. Until then, she has my full support.

[roamer65]

72. Speaker Pelosi.

That’s all I need to say.

[applegrove]

73. She's great. She can handle the votes. This time is too important in the next

two years to give it to a novice House Leader/Speaker.