All the details on the new Army uniform

[left-of-center2012]

A week after the Army secretary signed off on a new service uniform, final details are still being worked out as the service prepares to solicit a contract and begin fielding the throwback uniform next year.

The first groups to wear the uniform will be “forward-facing” soldiers like recruiters, Thomas said. And for next year, his team is working on getting 500 sets made for a June event, around the time of the D-Day anniversary and the Army birthday.

(The ‘new army’, under Trump?)



https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/19/brown-jump-boots-a-leather-bomber-jacket-more-all-the-details-on-the-new-army-greens/

The foldable garrison cap ― a version of which is worn by the Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force ― will be the standard issue cover for the uniform. A circular service cap will be optional and worn according to commander guidance. The beret will also be authorized per individual commanders.

A long, trench-style green coat will be the standard issued outerwear.

There are three optional jackets: A “tanker” in the newly coined “heritage green” color, which is identical to the black jacket worn with Army Service Uniform class B’s: the wool “Ike jacket," a cropped green design; and a brown leather “bomber jacket,” with gathered knit cuffs and waistband, though with no shearling trim.

A pair of brown boots for airborne units to blouse their pants into are not a reality yet, but the intent is to show a design to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley soon, Dailey said.

[brush]

1. They look like throwbacks to WWll.

[cwydro]

6. If you read the link, you'll see that's intentional.

I kind of like them.

[Dave Starsky]

19. I think they look cool.

But I think people in general looked cooler in the 1940s. I look at old pictures from that time, and people all seem to be relatively fit, clean-cut, and put together. Much more so than now.

[marybourg]

33. No t-shirts and flip -flops?

[Tipperary]

35. This is true. I like them too.

And the women’s has a real tie instead of that silly movie usher looking thing!

[Blue_true]

51. Smoking lots of cigarettes was considered healthy then because they kept people thinner.

But take a close look at the eyes of the people in those pictures, the shadows, ruddy looking skin. I think people today who actually dress up and stay in shape are much more stylish and healthy looking.

But, I do like those Army uniforms.

[Dave Starsky]

57. Cigarettes had a lot to do with it, of course.

People weren't as health conscious, and exercise was nowhere near a science.

But damn, did those people look good, anyway.

[Blue_true]

66. You are a classicist when it comes to dress.

The way mobsters used to dress during those days is an example. Most people back then dressed up to go to work, shopping, out to eat, ect. So they were dressed up more frequently that today's much more casual look. But I still think that fit people today look better and more stylish dressed up.

[left-of-center2012]

7. "the throwback uniform"

It'sin the first sentence of the opening post.

[mitch96]

20. Yup!!

m

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Dang. A short 1940s style lapel, with a 70s roundish sewing style of wideness.

[dhol82]

2. Why do we need new uniforms?

[left-of-center2012]

8. The Trump army can't wear what the Obama army wore?

[dhol82]

14. Makes sense.

Guess why they needed their budget upped by a few billion.

[pangaia]

28. My first reaction...

[Pope George Ringo II]

37. Sometimes the reasons are weird, but good.

The reason they got away from the WWII uniforms in the first place is that so many of them were showing up in surplus stores that anybody could dress up like a soldier, and people masquerading as soldiers was becoming a problem. So: New uniforms, problem solved.

That may or may not be the problem now, and obviously you're never going to eliminate it, but as long as they have to buy new uniforms every so often anyway, they may as well re-design it occasionally and try to present a uniform a soldier can take pride in wearing due to a decent appearance.

[onethatcares]

3. just what we need

maybe they should go all Toga and helmets like the Roman soldiers.

Will they be made in Ivankas' sweatshops?

[A DAY IN THE LIFE]

11. It is what the Army needs

First of all, this is not a Trump uniform, it has been in the planning stages since Obama.

And yes, we need to get the Army out these Air Force knock-off uniforms/band uniforms. And hopefully the blouse will not require all of the crap the current one does.

[pangaia]

29. Why? I really have no idea.

[onethatcares]

43. if the army needs uniforms to make it more

victorious in fighting our enemies (seems like a lot of them lately), we could stuff the uniforms with straw and place them on fields and mountains, toss em out of helicopters, put em in tanks.

We'd save a bundle on pay and benefits.

I still like my idea of helmets and togas, or maybe tams and kilts.

[DeminPennswoods]

59. Ghost Army of WWII

did exactly that, except with even less.

[Autumn]

4. Who designed those? Ivanka?

[Achilleaze]

5. Draft-Dodging republican hustler "commander" drags America into the past

Did Pooty Poot make the republican draft-dodger do this to our troops?

The world needs some non-geriatric uniform ideas.

[Renew Deal]

12. Are those the space force uni's?

[Achilleaze]

15. Nope. They are for the Allied Terran Defense

[dhol82]

16. Those would be tough for the female members.

I remember wearing jumpsuits. You essentially have to get naked just to pee.

[Bucky]

22. That's why they were those mini skirts on Star Trek

After 50 years, you finally solved that mystery

[3catwoman3]

56. Jumpsuits are a strategic nightmare if you...

...are a woman.

[unc70]

9. The redesign began well before Trump

This effort has very little to do with Trump. Of course, he will try to make it all about himself.

[TEB]

10. Definitely airborne troops

Need to blouse their Cochran’s

[Renew Deal]

13. Will ESPN have to post Uniform Watch for the military?

“Soldiers are wearing throwbacks in Afghanistan today, and in Korea they are wearing the baby blue alternate uniform.”

[DarthDem]

17. LOL

Good one!

In all seriousness though I didn't think anything was wrong with the Army's last uniforms and I thought the current ones were ill-conceived. These look much better.

[brewens]

18. Now lets go back to some other WWII standards. Like firing a whole shit ton of generals

and other high ranking officers that we can't possibly really need. During WWII, we had something like one general for every 6000 active troops. Now it's one for every 1400.

The army also ran it's own mess halls and supply convoys during WWII just fine. The private contractors handling the food and driving the trucks are really just looting us.

[Bucky]

21. Thank you

Perfect response. Let's take the profiteering out of defense contracting.

[brewens]

26. That was sold to us by Cheney as a way to actually save money and free up our troops

for more important missions. The half-wits don't realize how it really works.

Blackwater or whatever they call it now and the others do not give us a good deal. They lure away our military guys with big bucks. If they are overseas, the pay for their housing and meals and all that, just like we do our active service guys. Then they tack on enough to turn a nice profit. Then we have to pay to train new guys to replace the ones they hired away from us.

I know the marines could still be doing a fine job guarding our embassies.

[dhol82]

25. Yup

No need to privatize all this shit. Only benefits the war profiteers.
Did not know about the general/troops ratio. Why do we have so many Generals?

[brewens]

27. It's a jobs program for chefs I think. Generals get a private chef. n/t

[dhol82]

34. Wait! Really? Private chef?

I did not see a sarcasm thingy.

[brewens]

46. I wasn't joking. It's worse than that.

https://www.salon.com/2012/12/12/7_absurd_ways_the_military_wastes_taxpayer_dollars/

[dhol82]

50. Holy Shit!

I repeat, Holy Shit!
How the hell do we claw back from this idiocy?

[Ferrets are Cool]

55. The problem is that we dont...

this country loves it's military like it loves it's guns. If you DARE say a negative word about the military you are scorned or worse. I hate "almost" everything about it.

[DeminPennswoods]

60. Couldn't agree more!

nt

[Historic NY]

24. Pinks and greens...

throwback uniforms. I think they look much better than the crappy camo. Uniform of the Greatest Generation.

Somewhere in the recess of army supply there is probably a warehouse full of the stuff.

[Kaleva]

30. Good looking uniforms.

[JohnnyRingo]

31. And a long red necktie.

This is just the beta design.

[kimbutgar]

32. Looks like Russia miltary uniforms

[dhol82]

36. Close.

[obamanut2012]

40. No, they don't

They look like US Army uniforms

[obamanut2012]

38. Some of these replies are ridiculous

These uniforms have been planned way before Trump, and unlike many on this board, I have active-duty friends and relatives in the Ar,y, both officers and NCOs, across many MOSCs, men and women, and they LOVE these. The ones who are in specialty units are expected to continue to wear their berets (Airborne, etc.).

They are sharp, and no longer look like Air Force castoffs.

[Aristus]

39. This is something I've been hoping the Army would do since I got out in 1993.

When I was in, we had the old pickle-green 'business suit' Class A uniform that had been around in one form or another since the 1950's. I hated it.

The old 'pinks and greens' uniform is stylish and looks much more military than the green uniform. There was a deliberate move in the 1960's to equate being a military officer to being a company executive, and that training for the one was suitable experience for the other. That when an officer left the service, he could have an important job waiting for him in corporate America. And it seemed to be reflected in the look of the officer's uniform back then.

I think the throwback uniforms are wonderful. Very classy.

[Takket]

41. Not to derail your thread

But I laughed when I clicked on it because of the ad that popped up. I thought these were the new uniforms. Looking good military!!! Lol

<a href="https://ibb.co/gaPG5V"><img src="" alt="65073-E1-A-1441-4988-9712-B17-EFCEF80-FE" border="0"></a><br /><a target='_blank' href='https://statewideinventory.org/used-cars'>statewide auto sales sun valley</a><br />

[yortsed snacilbuper]

42. Patton was ahead of his time!

[Kaleva]

48. Space Force?

[matt819]

44. Where made?

Quick Google search shows that in 2012 it was revealed that uniforms were made in China. Whoops.

In that same quick search, I found that American Apparel has made US military uniforms since 1987. Website notes that uniforms are made in three facilities in Alabama. The website doesn't say whether they operate any other facilities.

Also, I'm not sure that this is the same American Apparel that was sold last year to (I think) a Canadian company.

So, as always with this regime and with government contracts generally - follow the money.

[DeminPennswoods]

61. Uniforms used to be made in Philadelphia

but DoD closed that facility with the first BRAC.

[BamaRefugee]

45. SHOCKED that tRump isn't making these in Confederate grey.

[OnDoutside]

47. As I read this, I have Glenn Miller music in my head !

[Kaleva]

49. Not to be outdone, the Italian Army is also going retro.

[Ilsa]

52. Bwaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!! nt

[dhol82]

63. Hope they don't decide to do the Greek version.

&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwhyathens.com%2Fevzones-uniform-greek-soldier%2F&tbnid=-2pjGKJJZs9d9M&vet=1&docid=c1OPrRUvZ2qPuM&w=780&h=1024&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwj4kIPRmu3eAhWBPd8KHeNUBKwQMygDegUIARDzAQ

[Totally Tunsie]

53. IMO, fugly.

Don't care who designed them, who ordered them and for whom/by whom. Can't we do better than diarrhea brown?

[Celerity]

64. not brown, that's a bad pic

green

[Ilsa]

54. The women's jacket is shorter.

Probably looks more proportionate on average size women, but taller women and bustier women should have an option for a jacket styled more like the men's in length or in length to the waist.

[Jake Stern]

58. Classy and sharp

Like it.

[DeminPennswoods]

62. These are good looking uniforms

Like them.

[WeekiWater]

65. Sounds pretty professional looking.

The photos aren’t of the final version.

Ten years sounds like a long time to phase out the old uniforms. Is this standard? Sounds like all of those in BT will be issued the new ones but those already serving will have until 2028 to “upgrade”. Of course they can get the new ones sooner.

I imagine a lot goes into getting the uniform ready for those in BT but measuring them right off the bat sounds like a bad idea. Maybe it’s a necessity for logistical reasons. $400+ dollars per adds up pretty quick. I don’t know the stats but I imagine a good number of people phase out. Second, BT drastically changes the body of many and they will have to be tailored a second time before even being worn once. That is from the article. I would think there would be a more efficient way to do it. I get it if it’s simply a logistical impossibility.