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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:26 PM Nov 2018

House Democrats in Conflict Over Trump Impeachment

From the article:

While Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives set forth their vision for what they want to accomplish next year, impeachment of President Donald Trump does not seem to be on the agenda. However, many of their supporters and donors are not happy about that, and want the House to start impeachment proceedings shortly after taking control in January.
As they anticipate being in power, House Democrats have been discussing their plans to keep campaign promises on such programs as:

1) Spending on public works projects,
2) Lowering health care costs and
3) Increasing government oversight.


To read more:

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/23/house-democrats-in-conflict-over-trump-impeachment.html

In my view, calls for impeachment are premature.

First, investigate every aspect of Trump's finances, and his businesses.

Second, allow Robert Mueller to do his work.

If impeachable offences are found, that would be the time to discuss remedies.
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House Democrats in Conflict Over Trump Impeachment (Original Post) guillaumeb Nov 2018 OP
Of course they are. And it won't be the only confusing issue for them either. nt. essme Nov 2018 #1
Yes, investigations first, then impeachment manor321 Nov 2018 #2
Not unless we have the votes to convict...don't help Trump get four more years. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #20
As with GW Bush., Pelosi knew she could not get the votes Bfd Nov 2018 #3
It would be like starting the trial before any investigation. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #4
Exactly. Bfd Nov 2018 #18
This sounds like shit stirring to me. Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #5
Or is it reality? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6
Apples and hammers Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #11
primarily attempt to implement the dems agenda while investigating on the side. msongs Nov 2018 #7
Exactly. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #8
Mixed feelings about impeachment mart48 Nov 2018 #9
Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10
Needs 67 votes in the... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #12
It Should all depend on Mueller brettdale Nov 2018 #13
Steady as she goes ... libdem4life Nov 2018 #14
Follwoing the links, I see the name of only one House Dem calling for impeachment Kaleva Nov 2018 #15
"Spending on public works...lowering health costs" This is the Dem's version of "repeal Obamacare" Azathoth Nov 2018 #16
He'll never get convicted in the senate. oldlibdem Nov 2018 #17
Impeachable offenses have already been found, and there are more to come. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #19
But the process need not be rushed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21
Yea we are lucky we know how to get out of bed in the morning? pwb Nov 2018 #22
The media loves this type of story. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #23
 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
3. As with GW Bush., Pelosi knew she could not get the votes
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:33 PM
Nov 2018

In this case it is wiser to do as you say.

my view, calls for impeachment are premature.

First, investigate every aspect of Trump's finances, and his businesses.

Second, allow Robert Mueller to do his work.

If impeachable offences are found, that would be the time to discuss remedies.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. It would be like starting the trial before any investigation.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:35 PM
Nov 2018

And given the reality that the GOP has no interest in working for the common good, any impeachment would be used to motivate their voters.

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
11. Apples and hammers
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:51 PM
Nov 2018

Asking NGA about what to follow=good

Democrats in disarray=shit stirring

Anything that touches on shit stirring IS shit stirring.

msongs

(67,395 posts)
7. primarily attempt to implement the dems agenda while investigating on the side.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:40 PM
Nov 2018

calm, steady, forward progress on all fronts. and keep the conservadems busy doing fiddle work

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. Exactly.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

And the brief agenda that was posted is a great outline. FDR did not start out on day 1 with the New Deal.

 

mart48

(82 posts)
9. Mixed feelings about impeachment
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:46 PM
Nov 2018

pro: get rid of the scumbag traitor tax evader as soon as possible (but get Pence as prez)

con: drag it out for two years, all the dirty laundry, with an eye toward swinging the 2020 election more towards the Dems (but risk letting the madman keep office)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. Welcome to DU.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:47 PM
Nov 2018

Number 2 would allow the Democrats to slowly release the truth about Trump, while Mueller could proceed with his investigation.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
12. Needs 67 votes in the...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 09:57 PM
Nov 2018

… Senate to convict. They need convince 67 Senators to successfully impeach and convict... so, expose every crime and make those 67 Senators worry about their jobs.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
14. Steady as she goes ...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 10:01 PM
Nov 2018

No rush. Be "the adults in the room." Expose the corruption first. Convince the population so they can inform their representatives. When said representative begin to note the alarm from constituents, then the time is approaching. The American people MUST be in on this, whatever happens. Resignation is a lot more attractive for maintaining our body politic. But Impeachment must always be in the Waiting Room.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
16. "Spending on public works...lowering health costs" This is the Dem's version of "repeal Obamacare"
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 10:21 PM
Nov 2018

It's meaningless posturing that has a snowball's chance in hell of passing, and the Dem leadership knows it. These bills won't even get a vote in the Senate. When election time comes, voters want to know what you've actually done for them. They don't want to hear excuses about how symbolic bills you passed disappeared in the Senate.

Impeachment will actually force a Senate trial and vote. It will put the limelight squarely on the Republican senators who intend to engage in a criminal coverup. So of course our leadership is afraid of it

oldlibdem

(330 posts)
17. He'll never get convicted in the senate.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 10:37 PM
Nov 2018

When he said that he (trump) could walk down 5th Ave. in NYC and shoot someone and get away with it he was right. Any republican that votes for impeachment will get primaried and loose in a landslide. especially in the solid south.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. Impeachable offenses have already been found, and there are more to come.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 12:20 PM
Nov 2018

Not impeaching him will set a dangerous precedent. We must do the right thing and force Republicans to defend doing the wrong thing.

If Mueller produces enough evidence, Republicans may talk Trump into resigning.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. But the process need not be rushed.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

And investigations that reveal enough criminal behavior might trigger a resignation.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
22. Yea we are lucky we know how to get out of bed in the morning?
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:58 PM
Nov 2018

Another bullshit post about democrats. We know exactly what to do and will do it.

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