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yuiyoshida

(41,829 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:18 PM Nov 2018

Yale psychiatrist explains how Trump's mental issues will cause him to self-destruct

Yale psychiatry professor Bandy X. Lee does not diagnose lightly. In fact, she emphasizes that her theory about the mental state of President Donald Trump does not reflect the professional opinion of any of the institutions that she is affiliated with, including the Yale School of Medicine.

Nevertheless, she tells Raw Story that it’s her opinion that rather than acting strategically, Trump’s pattern of behavior shows signs of severe psychological distress and that both Trump and his supporters are self-destructively spiraling in a way that spells dire trouble for the nation and the world.

Conversation edited for clarity below:

Tana Ganeva: Can you explain your theory about Donald Trump’s mental state, that the behavior is pathological rather than strategic?

Professor Bandy X. Lee: What mental health professionals look at are patterns. Patterns of his behavior. Oftentimes Trump’s assertions don’t bring him the advantages that strategy would.

It fits a pattern more of someone acting that is driven by emotional compulsions. It’s the emotional need to reframe situations. For example, the idea that the midterm elections are a win for him and if not, it’s seen as a fraudulent election.

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/yale-psychiatrist-explains-trumps-mental-issues-will-cause-self-destruct/

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Yale psychiatrist explains how Trump's mental issues will cause him to self-destruct (Original Post) yuiyoshida Nov 2018 OP
We know. Nt BootinUp Nov 2018 #1
Interesting stuff about his followers, too renate Nov 2018 #2
Fortunately, trump has made many bad decisions already. empedocles Nov 2018 #3
After Trump's presidency-- JohnnyLib2 Nov 2018 #4
Good read, thanks for posting. k&r. n/t LuckyCharms Nov 2018 #5
Oh, we know. Solly Mack Nov 2018 #6
+ 1000 n/t MBS Nov 2018 #9
The people in his cabinet and the GOP senators Jarqui Nov 2018 #10
Reminded me of The Hitchhiker's Guide's description of Grunthos the Flatulent Xipe Totec Nov 2018 #7
But he makes his coterie of zentrum Nov 2018 #8
We really need to listen carefully to Ms. Lee. She has a message for all of trickyguy Nov 2018 #11
"Duty To Warn" psychiatrists say the same things. BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #12
With respect to social media this stood out: yonder Nov 2018 #13
Thank you for posting. pangaia Nov 2018 #14
If Trump is truly mentally ill, is it right that we belittle and deride him elocs Nov 2018 #15
I am very sorry about your Goddaughter, but her condition and Trump are Doodley Nov 2018 #16
My point is that if Trump is truly mentally ill, then he needs help elocs Nov 2018 #18
He won't get help as long as the criminals surrounding him find his behavior useful. diane in sf Nov 2018 #20
Hey Diane! yuiyoshida Nov 2018 #21
No one has bdamomma Nov 2018 #22
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #17
Can't happen soon enough malaise Nov 2018 #19

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. Fortunately, trump has made many bad decisions already.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:31 PM
Nov 2018

Good thing, or else we would really be in trouble now. Good to know he is likely to make more mistakes to come.

JohnnyLib2

(11,211 posts)
4. After Trump's presidency--
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:50 PM
Nov 2018

this will be theme in many of the articles and books written about him.
IMO, many of the key people who surround him know or sense this going on but are willing to cash in on it.

Solly Mack

(90,761 posts)
6. Oh, we know.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

Doesn't help knowing though. Kind of like knowing the train is going to crash but there is nothing you can do to prevent the carnage.

If it was only him and his supporters at risk - but it's not. It's the rest of us too.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
10. The people in his cabinet and the GOP senators
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:26 PM
Nov 2018

would dismiss such a thing out of hand like they did Kavanaugh's accusers.

I'm not suggesting Kavanaugh's accusers proved their case. Their case was dismissed without proper due diligence by the GOP Senators in control.

The only way Trump goes anywhere before 2020 is if the GOP senators deem it to be.

Xipe Totec

(43,889 posts)
7. Reminded me of The Hitchhiker's Guide's description of Grunthos the Flatulent
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

who was about to embark on a reading of his 12-book epic entitled "My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles" when his own large intestine - in a desperate attempt to save life itself - leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
8. But he makes his coterie of
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

.....mega rich backers---The Mercers--more powerful, so no Repug cares. Kavanaugh is a a Mercer guy too.

trickyguy

(769 posts)
11. We really need to listen carefully to Ms. Lee. She has a message for all of
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

us and if you want even more info on rTumps mental state
just read "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" which is a collection of writings
by professional psychologists and psychiatrists. This is where is all starts.

And I'm sure she choose the word dangerous very carefully.:

evilfrown:

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
12. "Duty To Warn" psychiatrists say the same things.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:03 PM
Nov 2018

Most real psychiatrists look at this as a serious issue and do not take it likely. The fake prez is a danger to the country and world. He has personality disorders that can't be cured with meds and traditional, intense long term therapy. Even if tRump acknowledged he is a narcissistic, sadistic sociopath and committed himself to intense therapy his chance of getting noticeably better is about 10%. Lee, the doctor in this article, has been one of many who have been alerting the public for over a year.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychiatry-in-society/201806/mental-health-experts-advise-duties-warn-and-protect

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/bandy-lee/550193/

yonder

(9,662 posts)
13. With respect to social media this stood out:
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:12 PM
Nov 2018

"On the right it’s far more extreme and far more divorced from reality. You have the very conditions that allow for thought reform to happen."

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. Thank you for posting.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:38 PM
Nov 2018

Anyone who has done even the minimal of 'inner work' on themselves, who has looked deeply into their own being, has seen this pathology in trump from the beginning.

And what is interesting is that this kind of self-study is not something very many people who identify as republicans have ever done, if any at all.

This may seem like broad-brushing, but they live in the lower levels of the intellectual, emotional and physical centers... where everything that occurs in their lives is purely automatic. Nothing actually comes from them as an individual person. it all just 'happens.' totally unconsciously.

They are truly 'asleep.'

elocs

(22,562 posts)
15. If Trump is truly mentally ill, is it right that we belittle and deride him
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:40 PM
Nov 2018

for his illness? Is the same thing appropriate even if it's psychological distress?
Or do we just do that for Republicans while those on the Left get a pass?
Granted, he is in the most powerful political position in the world as head of the world's richest nation and only remaining superpower.
I have a 27 year old goddaughter who is schizoaffective and I visited her today at the mental health facility where she was committed and I'd hate to see anyone mock or belittle her for things she has done as a result of her mental illness which is a disease of the brain.
Do we really need to label everyone with a psychological pathology which could very well be a result of who they are and who they choose to be rather than a mental illness or personality disorder.
I know there are a lot of DUers so I'm sure I'm not the only one who can see things this way.
I'm sure there are many who have family and loved ones and friends who truly suffer as a result of their mental illness. She had her first major psychotic breakdown 10 years ago this Christmas and has been hospitalized many times. One of the main drugs she has been on for years is Abilify and the FDA issued a warning that a side effect of Abilify is that it can cause those who use it to become hypersexual and it has ruined the lives of some in that regard. This has happened with my goddaughter so is it ok if she gets mocked and derided for being the 'town slut'? Obviously not because she is sick, but if Trump is sick because of a mental condition then his actions are the result of his disease. I don't think a mental illness diagnosis is required to explain why somebody is self-centered, greedy, and evil because they choose to be that way.

Doodley

(9,076 posts)
16. I am very sorry about your Goddaughter, but her condition and Trump are
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:41 PM
Nov 2018

two completely different issues.

Trump has his finger on the nuclear button. He can start a war at any time. He can affect people's life, whether they have healthcare, whether a woman has the same rights as a man and so on.

He has poisoned America. He has convinced tens of millions of people, if not a hundred million, that respected journalists and news organizations, judges, scientists, generals and anyone who is a Democrat is not to be trusted, is fake news and only his version of ignorance, based on bigotry rather than fact is what matters.

He is destroying this nation from within. He has created an all time low in the relationship with our allies, while heaping praise on despots. He has brought ridicule throughout the world. That is very different from your Goddaughter. He should be ridiculed. He should be belittled, because that is what he has done to his political opponents, of both parties, to the media, to gold-star families, to women, to Muslims, to Africa, to Mexicans, to Barack Obama.

Yes, he needs to be brought down and people need to understand that we have somebody who is mentally incapable of being a president for all Americans.

elocs

(22,562 posts)
18. My point is that if Trump is truly mentally ill, then he needs help
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:39 AM
Nov 2018

because we should not mock and insult and deride someone for their mental illness even if their finger is on the nuclear button.
But I don't believe Trump is mentally ill, but that he chooses to be the way he is.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
22. No one has
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:58 PM
Nov 2018

ever tried to stop him from being an A-hole, and he thinks he knows everything.
He is truly a threat to himself and others, and does anyone think people will stand idly by if they feel threatened by this sick unfit whatever you want to call him.

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