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CousinIT

(9,218 posts)
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:34 AM Nov 2018

Mueller report will be 'devastating' for the president: Alan Derschowitz

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mueller-report-devastating-president-frequent-trump-defender/story?id=59393855

Alan Dershowitz, a frequent defender of President Donald Trump, says special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will be “devastating” for the president.

The Harvard Law professor emeritus told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos he believes the president will have to navigate the political impact of a potential damning final report from the special counsel.

“I think the report is going to be devastating to the president and I know that the president's team is already working on a response to the report,” Dershowitz said.

Dershowitz added that he believes the report, although it will have a strong political impact, is unlikely to result in criminal charges.

“When I say devastating, I mean it's going to paint a picture that's going to be politically very devastating. I still don't think it's going to make a criminal case,” Dershowitz said.





What's next in the Mueller investigation?

"I think the report is going to be devastating to the president," Harvard Law Professor Emeritus @AlanDersh says. "And I know that the president's team is already working on a response to the report" https://abcn.ws/2JIMBvS
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Mueller report will be 'devastating' for the president: Alan Derschowitz (Original Post) CousinIT Nov 2018 OP
Alan...keep dreaming. Charges are coming. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #1
It's already a successful criminal case; Mueller is racking up numerous convictions and confessions. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #23
Conspiring to rig democracy... SHRED Nov 2018 #2
His Martha's Vineyard privileges are still revoked. Nt Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #3
I bet if we lost the house dershowitz wouldn't be saying this. mucifer Nov 2018 #4
This alone is a big admission from a Trump surrogate. OrlandoDem2 Nov 2018 #5
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 2018 #6
Probably Polly Hennessey Nov 2018 #7
In a similar note, I was wondering if he was trying to set high expectations OrlandoDem2 Nov 2018 #18
Remember that this report is only going to focus on Obstruction of Justice and collusion Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #8
Unindicted co-conspirators LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #9
Trump's response? world wide wally Nov 2018 #10
He doesn't need lawyers to say that! Delmette2.0 Nov 2018 #25
Illegitimate Presidency aeromanKC Nov 2018 #11
So-called "pResident." calimary Nov 2018 #30
So WHITAKER and DERSH are already working on a response to the report, eh?!1 UTUSN Nov 2018 #12
Maybe ghouliani will lend his formidable mandibles. erronis Nov 2018 #21
To get sentencing deals, Jarqui Nov 2018 #13
Report? It is going to be an indictment. shockey80 Nov 2018 #14
Instead of working on a response to a report that has yet to be released Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #15
Hey Alan, what about the devastation this POS has done to the American people and asiliveandbreathe Nov 2018 #16
Totally agree! usaf-vet Nov 2018 #20
Some get into Hahvahd on merit, most get in on connections (people, money) erronis Nov 2018 #22
What does Alan know that we don't know? edbermac Nov 2018 #17
Really! I was wondering this myself! Does he have 'inside' knowledge of what's to come, some- SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #24
I do not think the odds are in favor of criminal for Trump, but for Der to be saying this is good. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #19
Dershowitz is part of the effort to get in front if it. It began a while back. bitterross Nov 2018 #26
he qualified what he meant "politically devastating" kennetha Nov 2018 #27
Derschowitz is again acting on tRump's behalf by trying to negate some Enoki33 Nov 2018 #28
and stir up the base for the coming fights empedocles Nov 2018 #29
Just a couple of months ago Dershowitz was all over cable defending trump. brush Nov 2018 #31
Short of Trump doing the perp walk in handcuffs out of the White House, elocs Nov 2018 #32
"Working on a response" C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #33
There's a non-zero chance he's right. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #34
No matter what the report says ... TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #35
Honestly, I'm not sure jail would do it for some of them. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #36
+1 40% of Americans either meadowlander Nov 2018 #37
one thing I have confidence in mnmoderatedem Nov 2018 #38
I also would point out we're talking about collusion with the Russians Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #39
Unless he is impeached and convicted or indicted for criminal offense, it is not "devastating. kentuck Nov 2018 #40
Well I certainly hope so Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #41
If there is NO Charges brettdale Nov 2018 #42

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. It's already a successful criminal case; Mueller is racking up numerous convictions and confessions.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:19 PM
Nov 2018

Trump is next.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
2. Conspiring to rig democracy...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:38 AM
Nov 2018

...with help from a hostile foreign power isn't criminal?

Who knew?

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
18. In a similar note, I was wondering if he was trying to set high expectations
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:39 PM
Nov 2018

Only for some of us to be disappointed. I’m just not sure.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
8. Remember that this report is only going to focus on Obstruction of Justice and collusion
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:52 AM
Nov 2018

The money laundering, financial crimes investigation is ongoing, and there's no way that Trump is not going to be charged in that probe.

LiberalFighter

(50,777 posts)
9. Unindicted co-conspirators
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:57 AM
Nov 2018

What is the purpose of not naming co-conspirators in court? Hmm

Betcha Dersh doesn't want to bring it up that unindicted co-conspirators involves criminal charges.

calimary

(81,098 posts)
30. So-called "pResident."
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:14 PM
Nov 2018

I can’t consider trump to be President. He is illegitimate in that job - a squatter in OUR White House. He did not win legitimately. He didn’t get the most votes, which should be the absolute be-all and end-all to this - or ANY election. Did we go to some separate elite over-riding group to determine who “really” won all those House seats? Or the governorships we won? Or did the popular vote by itself determine who won? Was it by popular vote in those cases, or wasn’t it?

Why must we maintain this obsolete artificial construct that has little relevance except to those who chart the way to cheat?

erronis

(15,177 posts)
21. Maybe ghouliani will lend his formidable mandibles.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:11 PM
Nov 2018

As we've all said from the beginning, these characters seem like they are out of some grade-B reality t.v. show.

Hmmmm. Wonder who's buying the screen rights.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
13. To get sentencing deals,
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:25 PM
Nov 2018

Cohen, Manafort, Gates, Roger Stone associates, Trump's financial guy, now Corsi, etc - they have to give Mueller something of substance or worthwhile.

Like we saw with Gates testimony, there was a paper trail backing it up. Gates helped fill in the gaps on where to find paper evidence. But for one crazy juror they probably would have overturned from the mistrial, they had Manafort on everything.

Do those two sons strike everyone as someone rock solid who won't flip? I have my doubts if they're shown his financial empire is going to collapse like a house of cards.

Looking at the case they presented against Manafort, "devastating" is probably an understatement. But it will probably lead us to the real problem: the Republicans in government who may do everything they can to avoid acting on the report.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
15. Instead of working on a response to a report that has yet to be released
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:34 PM
Nov 2018

Why can't Trump simply submit to Mueller's request for a cross examination?

Why isn't Devin Nunes working with the President's team, as his "memo" from several months back was so powerful and exonerating?

Why does the President avoid the substantive issues involved in his case and only dwell on the political aka faith-based accusations?

GUILTY. That's why.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
16. Hey Alan, what about the devastation this POS has done to the American people and
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 PM
Nov 2018

THEIR country..I don't give a rats ass about this pos...let the report RIP him apart..piece by piece..bit by bit....along with his little munchkins..(no offense to munchkins)...

Harvard really should do a review of Alan D..his assuming is starting to make them all look like ASSES..

erronis

(15,177 posts)
22. Some get into Hahvahd on merit, most get in on connections (people, money)
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:16 PM
Nov 2018

Hahvahd and the other for-profit Unis might want to clean up their image a bit. There are a bunch of very qualified individuals from around the world and from the US that could stand to have their tuition paid through that great endowment. Of course the endowment comes from wealthy degree-buyers.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
19. I do not think the odds are in favor of criminal for Trump, but for Der to be saying this is good.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:44 PM
Nov 2018

People seem to not be processing this properly though. Regardless, it shows that criminal is there, for the sitting President and there should be outrage. Not a softening of the impact of the criminal behavior being outed to the President.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
26. Dershowitz is part of the effort to get in front if it. It began a while back.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:30 PM
Nov 2018

Let's be real here. Douche-owitz did this interview and will do many more to help Trump set the narrative. Any interview or Op-Ed should should be read with an eye toward "How does this help Trump?" If the answer to that question provides any positive response then the whole thing is subject to question as Trump-driven propaganda.

One thing Trump IS good at is media. He controls and directs it very well.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
27. he qualified what he meant "politically devastating"
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:30 PM
Nov 2018

he poo-pooed the idea that Trump conspired with the Russians or committed obstruction of justice or could possibly have "defrauded" the United States by any of his actions.

He's a complete Trump Shill. He should be confined to Fox News and never invited into the mainstream media again.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
28. Derschowitz is again acting on tRump's behalf by trying to negate some
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:36 PM
Nov 2018

of the political fallout. He can do nothing about the legal consequences, and that is a good thing. Dershowitz has become a scumball mouthpiece for his degenerate leader, much like Giuliani.


brush

(53,740 posts)
31. Just a couple of months ago Dershowitz was all over cable defending trump.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:26 PM
Nov 2018

Now that he's got wind that the report will go against trump, suddenly he's switched away from defending trump.

elocs

(22,541 posts)
32. Short of Trump doing the perp walk in handcuffs out of the White House,
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:26 PM
Nov 2018

the expectations of what Mueller will accomplish are so sky high here by so many that I don't see how they won't be disappointed with it.

C_U_L8R

(44,986 posts)
33. "Working on a response"
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:34 PM
Nov 2018

Again the dumbshit thinks he has a PR problem... not a criminal conspiracy problem. Please, proceed.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
34. There's a non-zero chance he's right.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:18 PM
Nov 2018

There's no way Trump comes out of that report looking like a good guy surrounded by patriotic Americans. He's not, so that part is fairly straightforward and Trump won't like what it says about him. It's going to make him look like an awful President and a worse human being because Mueller is in touch with reality.

But there's a different standard of proof involved in demonstrating criminal actions, and it's a long way from certain that Mueller will be able to find enough unambiguous evidence to make him think and write that criminal charges are a good idea. It wouldn't be the first time law enforcement knew somebody was guilty but couldn't move forward and prove it, but it's entirely possible we won't see criminal charges against Trump emerge from the report.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
35. No matter what the report says ...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:39 PM
Nov 2018

His base won't believe it.

The only way the non-fundagelicals in his base will ever believe he's a crook is if he goes to jail. The fundagelicals in his base will never believe it; they'll simply switch to the now-most-powerful con(servative) GOPer.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
36. Honestly, I'm not sure jail would do it for some of them.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:25 PM
Nov 2018

He put his finger on something with the crack about getting away with killing somebody on 5th Avenue.

There are times I think Trump's not half as dangerous as the electorate which put him in power.

mnmoderatedem

(3,722 posts)
38. one thing I have confidence in
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:35 PM
Nov 2018

is trump being dumb enough to leave ample evidence for him to be charged. I've learned never to be surprised by his staggering incompetence.

Stems from always having those around him clean up his messes. Makes him reckless and sloppy.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
39. I also would point out we're talking about collusion with the Russians
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:48 PM
Nov 2018

Over the years they've built a few intelligence services specifically to exploit morons and maintain plausible deniability. It's something of a special gift of theirs at this point and can't be underestimated.

But it's also true that if you make something idiot-proof, they'll build a bigger idiot. Trump is nothing if not the bigger idiot.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
40. Unless he is impeached and convicted or indicted for criminal offense, it is not "devastating.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:53 PM
Nov 2018

In my opinion.l

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