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Ukraine has asked those who signed defense pact to convene. (U.S. is a signatory)
Three Ukraine ships have been seized.
Renew Deal
(81,843 posts)Why didnt they both turn away?
Lochloosa
(16,057 posts)Rules of the sea. The overtaking vessel had the responsibility to avoid the collision.
Looked to me he turned into the tug.
Renew Deal
(81,843 posts)Neither tried to avoid the collision. I dont understand why.
Lochloosa
(16,057 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,360 posts)Are you kidding?
That is so out of left field and lacking of fact as to be embarrassing.
The VERY PURPOSE of a tugboat is to be maneuverable.
duforsure
(11,884 posts)It might be a doctored film, or maybe they were provoked. We'll never know for sure.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)mitch96
(13,869 posts)He will say nothing or " maybe both are at fault, who knows"..
Putin will be laughing... "Thats my boy!!"
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Takket
(21,526 posts)to block off access to the Black Sea.
Will drumpf stand up for Ukraine?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-closes-water-route-in-fresh-confrontation-with-ukraine/2018/11/25/a57adc3e-f0c1-11e8-99c2-cfca6fcf610c_story.html?utm_term=.5dbebd01b09f
MOSCOW Tensions between Russia and Ukraine escalated Sunday after the neighbors accused each other of provoking an incident at sea, with Moscow closing a vital water route and Ukraines leader declaring that he wants to implement martial law in response.
On Sunday morning, Russia prevented three Ukrainian ships from entering the Kerch Strait, a narrow strip of water linking the Azov and Black seas. According to the Ukrainian navy, vessels belonging to Russias border service opened fire on the Ukrainian fleet, injuring six sailors, before seizing two of the ships.
Moscow had prevented the ships from entering the strait by placing a large cargo vessel beneath a Russian-controlled bridge. Russia then closed the strait, which both nations use.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko endorsed the military cabinets proposal, rushed through in Kiev well past midnight, to install martial law across the country for 60 days. On Monday, the vote will be put before parliament and is expected to sail through.
Igel
(35,270 posts)Sometimes closing for bridge maintenance, putting ships in the way, temporarily seizing and searching ships and detaining crew or cargoes bound for or coming from Mariupol. The waters have been under joint control, meaning that each has full control. Except that in the last year or so Russia's been saying "we have full control, you're here at our sufferance."
Mariupol is the largest Ukr city on the Sea of Azov, it was the target of a military takeover by the Russian-backed separatists, and relies heavy on its port for trade. Most of the industry in the SE part of Ukr trades through Mariupol, and most imports in that area go through Mariupol. Having it be Russian-separatist held would be a severe blow to the Ukr economy and help the separatists' with their comatose economy. As it is, it's seen a drop of something like 60% in imports and exports. It's hurting. You have a cargo of fruits or vegetables and you detain it for a week, they suffer; if you're a Spanish shipper, you simply ship elsewhere, you don't have money to waste in making geopolitical points against Russia that nobody's going to notice.
Ukraine should up the ante. Ask that any ship from a NATO country or country with a navy provide armed escort for their merchant fleet or cargo because of "marauders", and then make sure there's a Ukr naval officer there on the ship to provide proof of joint jurisdiction and control. Furthermore, claim that the marauders are flying Russian flags--when that obviously can't be the case--and if Russia won't take out those phonies, perhaps others will in defending against these pirates and terrorists. And who knows where they're getting those ships, perhaps more separatists using junked and barely rehabilitated Soviet-era ships. (In other words, start branding Russia as a terrorist nation that is supporting piracy on the high seas. And quote Putin's words about how we have to resort to violence to stop such terrorism as justification for killing obviously ersatz-Russians.)
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Part of Putin's move to re-establish the old Soviet Union. He's confident that Trump will not intervene, not even with more sanctions.