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kpete

(71,957 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:14 AM Nov 2018

Maybe next time evangelicals vote they'll read the Gospels 1st-instead of electing fucking Caligula

Babies and kids are getting teargassed. How do Christians square with that?





Make no mistake: Trump is testing whether he can get away with things like firing tear gas at young children. He is hoping these images harden his supporters to even worse acts to come. And he is banking on racism to get his way. We must oppose and condemn this. NOW.












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Maybe next time evangelicals vote they'll read the Gospels 1st-instead of electing fucking Caligula (Original Post) kpete Nov 2018 OP
Hate is a powerful political tool empedocles Nov 2018 #1
Then mix it with fear, even if the fear is ginned up. watoos Nov 2018 #3
But it is also immoral. pazzyanne Nov 2018 #4
And right now hate is a plague spreading far across the world. Initech Nov 2018 #10
they don't vote based on actual morality....that hasn;t happened in decades beachbum bob Nov 2018 #2
I live in the middle of them in central Pa. watoos Nov 2018 #5
This sums it up PatSeg Nov 2018 #11
"Tear Gas for Tots" - republicans demonstrating their "family values" Achilleaze Nov 2018 #6
It's pretty sad, but mind if I steal that quote? watoos Nov 2018 #32
You are welcome to it. Anything to help stop republican attacks on children and... Achilleaze Nov 2018 #36
Amen, John Fugelsang. Caligula II is exactly who we're burdened with. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #7
Caligula 2 golfs with billionaires while America burns. Initech Nov 2018 #9
Hey, but he supports the faith Rural_Progressive Nov 2018 #55
The evangelicals have a lot to answer for. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #56
Evangelicals don't give a flying fuck about the gospel! Initech Nov 2018 #8
They can find a loop hole in the OT or Paul. safeinOhio Nov 2018 #19
They ususally hang out in the OT. watoos Nov 2018 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #25
evangelists of evil Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #12
Yes -- rightwing evangelicals need to be demonized, luvtheGWN Nov 2018 #16
nobody demonized RW evangelicals Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #45
Evangelicals don't give a shit about kids once they're born. lilactime Nov 2018 #13
Hate filled people see what they WANT to see and when they read the Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #14
That's not going to happen. MineralMan Nov 2018 #15
Hard to justify hate and fear based on the Gospels LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #17
I saw a sign of sanity yesterday from the pre-eminent Baptist church in my area. lark Nov 2018 #18
I must bring this up too. watoos Nov 2018 #35
Wow! That is great to hear. My husband's Methodist minister actually encouraged his "flock" to hostalover Nov 2018 #37
Can you give us an idea of where your area is? A largeish city, maybe?.... LAS14 Nov 2018 #42
Jacksonville, FL a traditionally deep red city that flipped Blue this year for the first time lark Nov 2018 #43
If he thought he could get away with cutting them down ginnyinWI Nov 2018 #20
caligula is perfect. delivering paper towels and rakes for christmas. n/t 5X Nov 2018 #21
Those who carry out these orders are as guilty as those who gave the orders. gordianot Nov 2018 #22
The Sad Truth is Too Many Republicans Require Someone to Hate dlk Nov 2018 #23
They don't read the Bible. They listen to their Minister. bitterross Nov 2018 #24
He is Caligula. bronxiteforever Nov 2018 #26
Most Evangelicals Serve SATAN PaulX2 Nov 2018 #27
Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. Mickju Nov 2018 #28
Christians are just going back to their roots. defacto7 Nov 2018 #29
But Jesus said, Suffer little children packman Nov 2018 #30
That was a bad translation FakeNoose Nov 2018 #46
Yah, I knew that - Just goes to show packman Nov 2018 #47
I wouldn't hold my breath Va Lefty Nov 2018 #31
If it isn't their children or grandchildren getting it Bettie Nov 2018 #34
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #38
Evangelical Christian is Old Testament christian is not christian delisen Nov 2018 #39
Evangelicals don't read Racerdog1 Nov 2018 #40
K & R LAS14 Nov 2018 #41
Evangelicals don't read. They watch TV, they do what the TV tells them. apnu Nov 2018 #44
I Always Enjoy Telling the Fundies SDJay Nov 2018 #48
And maybe monkeys will fly out of my ass. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #49
how do we force Evangelicals to stop claiming to be "pro-life"? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2018 #50
Maybe, but I doubt it. D23MIURG23 Nov 2018 #51
Sickening orangecrush Nov 2018 #52
+ infinity! I cannot recommend this enough!!!!!!!! diva77 Nov 2018 #53
Don't Hold Your Breath - Evangelicalism is All About White Male Supremacy (and Money) dlk Nov 2018 #54
"...next time evangelicals vote they'll read the Gospels 1st instead of electing fucking Caligula" Nitram Nov 2018 #57

pazzyanne

(6,543 posts)
4. But it is also immoral.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:38 AM
Nov 2018

Hate does not bring about greatness. It does not bring about success. It does not improve the spirit. It does not elevate the standing of humans in the animal kingdom, in fact it does the opposite. It does not give the inhabitants of a hateful nation peace. HATE. IS. THE. ENEMY!!!

Initech

(100,028 posts)
10. And right now hate is a plague spreading far across the world.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:24 AM
Nov 2018

We're only seeing the beginning, things are going to get much worse.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
5. I live in the middle of them in central Pa.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:40 AM
Nov 2018

and for decades it has been portraying Democrats as baby killers. So I ask them, why are Republicans against contraceptives?
I ask them if they believe that making abortion illegal will magically cure the problem, most answer yes. Then I ask them to explain why do countries that have the strictest laws against abortion also have the highest % of abortions. They flat out don't believe that one.

I ask them why can't we do things without passing a law, like making adoptions easier, like making contraceptives available, like doing a better job at sex education?

Republican politicians don't want to solve a problem they want a political talking point. One thing that Trump has done is to show that Repugs are phony Christians.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
11. This sums it up
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:26 AM
Nov 2018

"Republican politicians don't want to solve a problem they want a political talking point."

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
55. Hey, but he supports the faith
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:56 PM
Nov 2018

"Now people say, 'Well Frank but how can you defend him, when he's lived such a sordid life?', I never said he was the best example of the Christian faith. He defends the faith. And I appreciate that very much."

Actual quote from Franklin Graham. Apparently you can break all ten of the commandments, do exactly the opposite of what Christ is said to have preached but as long as you "defend the faith" you're just peachy with the evangelical crowd.

Yuck.

Initech

(100,028 posts)
8. Evangelicals don't give a flying fuck about the gospel!
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:20 AM
Nov 2018

If they did, they'd be welcoming these people with open arms. Instead they're telling them to get the fuck out and encouraging this piece of shit president to fire on innocent people. It's so fucked up!

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
19. They can find a loop hole in the OT or Paul.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:40 AM
Nov 2018

Not in the words of Jesus.

see: Redletter Bible with all the words Jesus spoke in red letters. note, there are none about abortion or gay marriage.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,236 posts)
12. evangelists of evil
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:27 AM
Nov 2018

It needs to be pointed out what these evangelicals are evangelising: evil; doing deliberate harm to others for personal gratification.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
16. Yes -- rightwing evangelicals need to be demonized,
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:36 AM
Nov 2018

just as the Clintons, the Obamas, Obamacare etc. have been demonized by the GOP. Problem is, progressives and Democrats in general aren't very good at demonizing anybody or anything. Wonder why that is.........hey, I think I know -- they have kind hearts and love for their fellow humans.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,236 posts)
45. nobody demonized RW evangelicals
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:17 PM
Nov 2018

I said they are evangelising evil; I did not say they are demons. They're human beings promoting an agenda that is dangerous and harmful to others, and they are doing it for their own gain. They are willing to inflict harm to satisfy their greed for money and power.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
14. Hate filled people see what they WANT to see and when they read the
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:31 AM
Nov 2018

bible, they don't see what I see on the pages.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
17. Hard to justify hate and fear based on the Gospels
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:39 AM
Nov 2018

Much easier to just pick and choose from the Old Testament

lark

(23,059 posts)
18. I saw a sign of sanity yesterday from the pre-eminent Baptist church in my area.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:39 AM
Nov 2018

My sister, who still is a believer, watched the Sunday TV show of First Baptist and was amazed when the pastor talked about their responsibility to repudiate any leader who lies constantly, who uses his bully pulpit to increase racial tensions and one who uses their office to enrich themselves. He said Jesus called for christians to help the needy, not hurt them.

OMG, he never mentioned drumpf by name, but he was obviously telling his thousands of followers not to tolerate drumpfs crimes and not to support him, that he is NOT a man of God.

Woohoo for emerging sanity from a very large Evangelical church,may it spread throughout the land.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
35. I must bring this up too.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:26 PM
Nov 2018

I am Catholic and our pastor has been a real Christian and we are in the middle of Republicans in Pa.

I read the readings every so often in church and I was in the back talking with our deacon. I just brought up Trump, he shook his head and told me to listen to his sermon, this was the Sunday before the election. To make a long story short,He tied love of neighbor to how we decide who to vote for. I was a bit shocked because our deacon was a farmer who I just assumed was a gung ho Republican.

Our pastor, a monsignor, always makes it a point to pray for the poor, for refugees, for the homeless, for the hungry. I actually smile when he is giving one of those sermons.

That was the happy story, the sad story is that Republicans won my district 80-20. They need to pay better attention at Mass.

hostalover

(447 posts)
37. Wow! That is great to hear. My husband's Methodist minister actually encouraged his "flock" to
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:38 PM
Nov 2018

vote for trump in 2016, not actually naming him, of course. I am happily not religious.

LAS14

(13,769 posts)
42. Can you give us an idea of where your area is? A largeish city, maybe?....
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:38 PM
Nov 2018

... a wealthy suburb? Not all "evangelical" churches are alike.

lark

(23,059 posts)
43. Jacksonville, FL a traditionally deep red city that flipped Blue this year for the first time
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:47 PM
Nov 2018

in 30 years. I think there's close to a million people living here, so large-ish. First Baptist is located in the center of downtown and has always been very dominant politically in this area. They were pro-drumpf in 2016, so it's very remarkable that the pastor has turned against the serial philanderer. Oh yeah, he mentioned that as well, when our leaders are immoral and have consistently not honored their wedding vows, this is not someone that deserves support.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
20. If he thought he could get away with cutting them down
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
Nov 2018

with machine guns, he most certainly would. He has no heart whatsoever.

The world is watching. Despots and dictators around the world are going to see what the USA will now tolerate. Just look at Russia/Ukraine right now.

gordianot

(15,232 posts)
22. Those who carry out these orders are as guilty as those who gave the orders.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:08 AM
Nov 2018

Tear gas is an internationally banned weapon of war. The United States signed this treaty.

dlk

(11,509 posts)
23. The Sad Truth is Too Many Republicans Require Someone to Hate
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:14 AM
Nov 2018

It’s a pathology and decent Americans must counter this every day, in every way we can.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
24. They don't read the Bible. They listen to their Minister.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:15 AM
Nov 2018

For the most part, they don't read the Bible. They go to church on Sundays and listen to what the MAN at the pulpit tells them. They do not question that man or any other authority figure. That would be going against their God to do so.

They will continue to be sheep.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
29. Christians are just going back to their roots.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:55 AM
Nov 2018

330 to 1500+ ACE eg. genocide, torture, conquest, sacking, pillaging, rewriting history, propaganda etc. etc. not to mention Hitler who was, according to his Mein Kampf, a Catholic for life. It's not much different than ancient Rome.

It's history.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
30. But Jesus said, Suffer little children
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:06 PM
Nov 2018

It's in the Bible - Or, at least, the part Trump read and understands

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
46. That was a bad translation
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:43 PM
Nov 2018

In proper idiomatic English he was saying, "Let the little children come to me, and I'll teach them."

I think the King James translation used "suffer" as a synonym for "allow" or "let." But the English language has evolved a lot since the King James version was written 400 years ago.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
47. Yah, I knew that - Just goes to show
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:52 PM
Nov 2018

that people who believe the Bible is immutable and "God's" word are full of shit. From ancient Hebrew, through Greek/Latin/Early English to modern day , the Good Book (as they say) has been so changed and modified that I laff and laff when anyone quotes it.

Bettie

(16,058 posts)
34. If it isn't their children or grandchildren getting it
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

they simply don't care.

That is the long and short of it, they simply don't care.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
39. Evangelical Christian is Old Testament christian is not christian
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:07 PM
Nov 2018

The focus of many evangelical preachers is the negatives of the Old Testament--the punishments, the stoning, war, evil, unforgiveness

They avoid the the positive messages in the Old Testament just as they ignore most of the Love gosper of the New Testament.

Theirs is a Tiny Bible.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
40. Evangelicals don't read
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:33 PM
Nov 2018

These dumb ass sheep love to be told how to think, act and do. Hence that is how they get hoodwinked into giving their mind and money to these false prophets.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
44. Evangelicals don't read. They watch TV, they do what the TV tells them.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:51 PM
Nov 2018

Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, the 700 Club, Joel Ostein and a parade of snake oil salesmen before those clowns.

TV is the modern day tent revival circus.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
48. I Always Enjoy Telling the Fundies
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:43 PM
Nov 2018

in my family that, even though I do not go to church, I live a lot more like Actual Jesus than those hateful fuckers do. Most times, they'll turn beet-red, but that's mostly because they have absolutely no comeback whatsoever. A few of them have actually engaged me, and I've asked them to point out where in the Bible it talks about Jesus teaching people to hate women, minorities, foreigners, poor people, sick people, gay folks, etc.

Most of the time, they'll try to cherry-pick some arcane or totally out-of-context quote from the Old Testament. That prompts me to wag a finger and remind them that if they're CHRISTian, they follow the teachings of CHRIST. That = New Testament. That enrages them even more.

The problem is that with the emergence of Dump, they no longer care that people know that they're total fucking hypocrites. So is he, so it's all good.

Still, I've made it a point to fuck with them more than I used to. We all should, frankly. Remind them that they're bad people who believe bad things for bad reasons. Shame them.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,081 posts)
50. how do we force Evangelicals to stop claiming to be "pro-life"?
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:14 PM
Nov 2018

Not just over asylum seekers, but climate change related death.

D23MIURG23

(2,845 posts)
51. Maybe, but I doubt it.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:49 PM
Nov 2018

Most evangelicals prioritize believing in the fairy story over following the behavioral prescriptions of jesus, so the fact that their leader is a sadistic pervert doesn't really matter as long as he says the right applause lines.

It's very convenient if you are Donald Trump or Ted Haggert.

Nitram

(22,755 posts)
57. "...next time evangelicals vote they'll read the Gospels 1st instead of electing fucking Caligula"
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:17 AM
Nov 2018

No, they'd vote for Caligula if he promised to prohibit abortion.

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