Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

global1

(25,225 posts)
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:31 PM Nov 2018

Chuck Todd And His Panel Are Giving Trump And His Evil Cabal A Get Out Of Jail Free Card

They are suggesting the way that Trump will use his pardon powers to keep Manafort and probably all other of his accused accomplices out of jail. They keep on normalizing his actions and basically say Trump will push the envelope into that area that never has been attempted before and will get away with it cause every time he does push the envelope he's been fairly successful.

Trump doesn't need to be a political genius. All he needs to do is listen to the talking heads on these news channels point out ways that he can use to weasel his way out of fixes and then employ these ways.

Sometimes I think that the news channels should be charged along with Trump with obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting Trump. They are pointing the way for him.

17 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

RockRaven

(14,907 posts)
7. Splitting hairs, but he didn't plead guilty to any state charges yet. His federal guilty plea
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:47 PM
Nov 2018

document contains statement of facts which are violations of various state laws. So Manafort would still need to be charged and convicted at the state level. And in that case he'd reverse course, deny everything, try to beat the charges, and dare the feds to charge him with perjury for the "false" contents of the guilty plea.

But to answer your point, no I don't think Chuck Todd knows that, because he's so interested in the horse race/soap opera drama/sports analogy/back and forth/mindlessly parroting talking points/etc that he doesn't bother, you know, researching anything that he's "reporting" on.

localroger

(3,622 posts)
15. The plea deal agreement amounts to a sworn confession
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:37 PM
Nov 2018

Trump can pardon him, and even pardon him for perjury if he admits to "lying" when he admitted to those crimes in the plea agreement, but he can't undo the fact that Manafort swore to the truth of those admissions. That puts him in an absurdly weak position with tose state AG's if he decides to recant. I'm guessing that the document Manafort is preparing to release detailing why the plea deal is off will also contain enough evidence for even a baby state AG to bury Manafort with little additional effort.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
13. No, he did not plead guilty to state charges
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:18 PM
Nov 2018

He admitted to acts that would constitute state charges IF he had those state charges against him. He did not.

You can only plead guilty to state charges in state court. You cannot plead guilty to a state charge in federal court.

The states involved have to charge him first and if they wait until the statute of limitations expires on them (which varies depending on the charge) they are out of luck. Once charged, if he pleads not guilty the state prosecutors will point to his admissions made in federal court and use that as evidence of his guilt.

Irishxs

(622 posts)
16. Quit watching CT because his ratio..
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:40 PM
Nov 2018

Of republican to dems is so unbalanced, it’s not impartial anymore. Plus he talks way too fast. I like Lawrence O Donnel. So much better!

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,495 posts)
17. Chuck Todd is really good at his job. If that
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:42 PM
Nov 2018

job consists of dumbing down and misinforming an already dumb population. If his job is to inform. Then he's doing a terrible job.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Chuck Todd And His Panel ...