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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:38 PM Nov 2018

What If It Was Putin Who Cancelled on Trump?

They haven't managed to get together the last few times they've been in the same place. Now, Trump has claimed that he canceled a meet-up in Argentina with Putin.

Perhaps, instead, Putin is finished with Trump. He's squeezed all he can from him and is cutting him loose. Trump's no longer an asset to Putin. With all the problems Trump is facing here, Putin may have simply written him off as a loss.

Now, I don't know this with any certainty, but it would make sense. If Trump goes down in flames, Putin might get singed a little if he's too close when it happens.

Does that seem logical to anyone else?

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What If It Was Putin Who Cancelled on Trump? (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2018 OP
I thought about this, he isn't as useful to him as he once was. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #1
Well, if it's true and Putin has dumped Trump, MineralMan Nov 2018 #7
Not stupid or nuts ola Wash. state Desk Jet Nov 2018 #32
I like this a lot. blugbox Nov 2018 #2
I thought that was the most likely scenario all along ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #3
Love your sig line! volstork Nov 2018 #14
Thanks! I came up with that one yesterday ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #19
I'm afraid you are correct. volstork Nov 2018 #22
It wasn't leftynyc Nov 2018 #4
Especially with Democrats in charge of the House dalton99a Nov 2018 #5
Yeah, well, we know who the senior partner is in that arrangement... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #6
Sounds very possible. pwb Nov 2018 #8
My suggestion. ChazInAz Nov 2018 #24
Well they were all murdered so the rest of their lives were pretty short. lunatica Dec 2018 #38
I don't think Putin would even want him in Russia...even Sibera libdem4life Nov 2018 #34
Oh my! agingdem Nov 2018 #9
They don't have to be face to face to have a discussion/take orders/change course awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #10
"Et tu Brute?" saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #11
Yes, something like that. MineralMan Nov 2018 #12
it's not about 'working together' for putin AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #13
The US is weak HipChick Nov 2018 #33
I would not be surprised... Raster Nov 2018 #15
He's diabolical yet he's weak - Claritie Pixie Nov 2018 #17
So the bromance is over Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #16
I agree duforsure Nov 2018 #18
I like the way you think. Being dumped by Vlad would have Red Don heaving in his socks... Hekate Nov 2018 #20
Just a small piece for me, thanks. MineralMan Nov 2018 #21
Putin isn't finished with tRump. Firestorm49 Nov 2018 #23
Putin isn't through! dawn frenzy adams Nov 2018 #25
Reminded of this scene from The Godfather Part 2... Drunken Irishman Nov 2018 #26
Lots of highly placed KGB ops here, including in the media. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #27
I don't think so because I think we would of heard reporting from this leaky back stabbing white UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #28
"if"? unblock Nov 2018 #29
Putin isn't finished with Dump. roamer65 Nov 2018 #30
If Trump is finished as an asset, will Pence be approached? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #31
Naw. He's still the POTUS after all LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #35
jilted! 😂 joet67 Dec 2018 #36
Thank goodness Putin didn't put his hand on Trump's ass. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #37

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. I thought about this, he isn't as useful to him as he once was.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

I don't think Putin worries about getting singed, but he doesn't waste his time of people or things that don't benefit him.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
7. Well, if it's true and Putin has dumped Trump,
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:42 PM
Nov 2018

I think Trump should worry about being forced out of office. Putin knows things, and is pretty savvy about putting things together. Evil man though he is, he's not stupid. It's interesting to consider.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
32. Not stupid or nuts ola
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:55 PM
Nov 2018

If you were to think in depth about it, wouldn't one surmise that the Russians have a complete psychological work up on Trump (profile) with specific detail on the predictability of Trump. Putin was carefully groomed. Yes evil. Imagine.

blugbox

(951 posts)
2. I like this a lot.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

It also goes with his MO of trying to make everything that happens about him.

He can't be perceived as weak... so NO I BROKE UP WITH HIM! NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
3. I thought that was the most likely scenario all along
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

The only reason I could think of for Rump cancelling on Putin was because he feared the optics. Then I thought, "When was the last time Rump cared about optics?"

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
19. Thanks! I came up with that one yesterday
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:06 PM
Nov 2018

But these days, the "gut" meme will only be good for a week before he says the next dumb thing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. It wasn't
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:41 PM
Nov 2018

I just saw one of putin's minions saying (paraphrase) it's okay, now we have time for more useful meetings. It was a diss at donnie.

Wounded Bear

(58,584 posts)
6. Yeah, well, we know who the senior partner is in that arrangement...
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:42 PM
Nov 2018

Your assumption has the feel of reality to it.

People in criminal organizations seldom get to fire the boss.

pwb

(11,245 posts)
8. Sounds very possible.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:43 PM
Nov 2018

It could also be a diversion while Putin finds his good buddy a nice area in Russia for Trumps family?

ChazInAz

(2,556 posts)
24. My suggestion.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:14 PM
Nov 2018

Isn't the old Tsarist palace near Archangelsk vacant since the Revolution? Isolated, miles from anywhere. It would serve the Trumps as well as it did the Tsar and his family. They spent the rest of their lives there.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
34. I don't think Putin would even want him in Russia...even Sibera
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:17 PM
Nov 2018

I agree that he's used him for all he can get. Trump is trapped...can't help him scam the US elections any more, probably won't even see his term out.

The one thing The Cretin fears the most...irrelevancy. Nobody looking, waving, bowing, taking photos, asking favors, etc. Just no one cares. I don't think that is too far away.

agingdem

(7,804 posts)
9. Oh my!
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:44 PM
Nov 2018

makes sense...Poor Trump...his lawyer cops a plea and throws him and his evil spawn under the bus and then his master says no meeting no way...what's a narcissistic sociopath supposed to do?!

awesomerwb1

(4,265 posts)
10. They don't have to be face to face to have a discussion/take orders/change course
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:46 PM
Nov 2018

I'm sure they've arranged other means of communication and this is just the way the "administration" is pretending to be concerned about the russia-Ukraine situation.

There's still a ton of damage to do to benefit Putin and russia in my opinion.



saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
11. "Et tu Brute?"
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:47 PM
Nov 2018

"Of course" (a favourite idiom of that mad man Robert Durst)

(PS: I will be sharing your "My Favorite Things" with my Republican family.)

Happy Trails to you and the Mrs

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
13. it's not about 'working together' for putin
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

it is about the long trrm strategy to destroy US democracy: morally and economically.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
15. I would not be surprised...
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:15 PM
Nov 2018

...tRump* is a reactor and a buffoon. Putin* is cagey, clever, and is KGB born and bred... He is NOT a stupid man. He's got to realize that tRump* can become a real liability very quickly.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
17. He's diabolical yet he's weak -
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:42 PM
Nov 2018

He absolutely needs to control the US and our resources to take over the world. Russia is crumbling has nothing, and the people are suffering.

He wants to gut the US the way he did Russia, and take all the spoils. He needs Trump to do it.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
18. I agree
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:44 PM
Nov 2018

Putin more than likely refused to meet with trump , and trump's claiming he did and lying ,again , to save face.

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
20. I like the way you think. Being dumped by Vlad would have Red Don heaving in his socks...
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:44 PM
Nov 2018

...to borrow a phrase from an old college friend.

Care for a slice of Schadenfreude Pie? I like mine with black coffee that has a dollop of heavy whipped cream in top. Maybe some brandy in the coffee.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211489804

Firestorm49

(4,028 posts)
23. Putin isn't finished with tRump.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:46 AM
Nov 2018

tRump is an “asset”. Once an asset, always an asset - that is, until you depart this Earth glowing with polonium.

They own him and aren’t about to give up without a fight - hence election fraud, or is it erection fraud?

Ah, but the best is yet to come.

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
25. Putin isn't through!
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:04 PM
Nov 2018

Trump is destroying America. It's Putin's dire wish. He is loving his bloated orange asset.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
27. Lots of highly placed KGB ops here, including in the media.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:11 PM
Nov 2018

(I refuse to use the new acronym)

Rump or no rump, Putin has plans not just for us but all of the free world.

This is whey DEATHLY afraid of Hillary he was.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
28. I don't think so because I think we would of heard reporting from this leaky back stabbing white
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:14 PM
Nov 2018

trash house. Not much stays secret ova there...but it is possible what you say.

But I do tend to believe that rump cancelled...poots got pissed - how dare you cancel!! Then there is reporting that poots 'ordered' rump to meet and now they're meeting.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
30. Putin isn't finished with Dump.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:25 PM
Nov 2018

If Putin doesn’t get what he wants, the endgame will be to release kompromat in order to cause more chaos in our system. They know Dump will overreact by being more bombastic and divisive.

Dump is still useful to them in main goal of this gambit...the breakup of the United States.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
35. Naw. He's still the POTUS after all
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:49 PM
Dec 2018

They need each other. Both can be useful to the other still. Trump in rescinding sanctions, and glossing over Putin's military adventures. Putin in helping him steal votes, and more important, helping his family business.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
37. Thank goodness Putin didn't put his hand on Trump's ass.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:04 PM
Dec 2018

I can only imagine the pretense of logic that type of trolling would engender.

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