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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:58 AM Nov 2018

Ex-Sen. Al Franken takes first steps back into public arena


By STEVE KARNOWSKI
today

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Nearly a year after he resigned his U.S. Senate seat amid sexual misconduct allegations, Al Franken is testing whether he can make a comeback in the #MeToo era.

The former “Saturday Night Live” funnyman released a podcast on health care this week, just days after a Thanksgiving Day Facebook post in which he mused how much he missed “being in the fight every day.”

“When I left the Senate I said I was giving up my seat but not my voice, and after the midterm elections I thought I’d start experimenting with ways to make my voice heard,” Franken said as he opened the podcast. He ended by saying: “Maybe I’ll do another one, I don’t know.”

Franken was a safe bet for re-election before a radio host last year accused him of forcibly kissing her during a USO tour in the Middle East in 2006, and circulated a photo in which he can be seen pretending to grope her breasts. That was followed by allegations from several women that he groped them while posing for photos.

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Ex-Sen. Al Franken takes first steps back into public arena (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2018 OP
Please come on back to the Senate. We are waiting! allgood33 Nov 2018 #1
He was a famous political comedian before being Hortensis Nov 2018 #24
He really should have a Cable show... Mars and Minerva Nov 2018 #39
(!) I'd love it. Hortensis Nov 2018 #40
I attended his Radio Show live in 2004 or 2005. sfwriter Dec 2018 #126
Hear, hear! ananda Nov 2018 #26
No he should run for Governor Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #60
Which Democratic Senator should he run against? brooklynite Nov 2018 #64
Aye !!! n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #78
Al should move to New York and run against Kirsten Gillibrand for her NY Senate seat... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #2
Other than SNL what ties does he have to New York? dsc Nov 2018 #4
I agree, Al should publicly commit to moving to NY... hope he does. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #6
He was born there, but moved to MN when he was four. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #7
didn't know that dsc Nov 2018 #11
Great time to move back to his roots. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #13
His roots are in MN geardaddy Nov 2018 #35
He lived in New York for a very long time. HootieMcBoob Nov 2018 #30
He grew up in Minnesota and graduated from high school here. He also cut his teeth in comedy here. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #31
Between the 2 NY Jews, Franken was the only one who grew up in Minnesota IronLionZion Nov 2018 #37
As he said, the choice was clear. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #51
While Gillibrand deserves that, I'd prefer she remain in her seat, go no further, and Al wins hlthe2b Nov 2018 #9
Agree. I want Gilli to stick to her electorate. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #22
Sacrifice others at the altar of blatant personal ambition? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #59
+1 n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #82
You know that Gillibrand overwhelmingly won her seat back yes? JHan Nov 2018 #17
:) Speaking of messages, wonder how many Hortensis Nov 2018 #43
That would be the epitome of a carpetbagger, he would go down in flames Tarc Nov 2018 #27
I love how people stand up for those accused of sexual harassment against those that Renew Deal Nov 2018 #33
Note the word "ACCUSED", not charged or convicted. George II Nov 2018 #41
An excellent observation. Clearly you're not alone in that either. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #66
I love how people refuse to fight for DUE PROCESS for those acused of sexual harassment... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #71
He admitted wrongdoing Renew Deal Nov 2018 #74
I respectfully disagree... based on reports I read, it sure seems like he was unfairly railroaded InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #75
+1 wroberts189 Nov 2018 #77
And do you really think the republicans Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #94
Don't get the logic there... ANY due process is still better than NONE AT ALL. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #102
Not if the GOP Senators Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #103
So not true...due process applies to civil disputes & matters involving administrative procedures... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #105
But not to political Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #108
Wrong again, sorry... political Senate hearings most certainly can be subject to varying degrees InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #109
Nope Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #113
I tried... good luck in your law career, you'll need it. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #115
When you respect facts Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #120
Post where he admitted to wrongdoing wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #130
Here you go... Renew Deal Dec 2018 #143
Errp, try again wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #145
Lol Renew Deal Dec 2018 #146
For what it's worth I believe Sen. Franken was GWC58 Dec 2018 #128
Accused by a Birther wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #129
Exactly! realmirage Dec 2018 #144
If you remember True Blue American Nov 2018 #46
Love this idea!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #57
Wish I lived in New York... I would vote for Al too in a heartbeat if he ran. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #73
He'd have to wait 6 years Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #58
He should run against Schumer. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #62
Yeeeeeeesssss! Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #3
i will always believe he was railroaded barbtries Nov 2018 #5
With a doubt he was railroaded... certainly one of my favorite Senators. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #106
Why not for Amy Klobuchar's seat, as she's running for POTUS in 2020...... a kennedy Nov 2018 #8
If she is elected President Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #61
We need your voice. Yes!!!! Guilded Lilly Nov 2018 #10
The country needs you Al! workinclasszero Nov 2018 #12
Which podcast? Delmette2.0 Nov 2018 #14
Here is a link Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #16
Thank you ! Delmette2.0 Nov 2018 #19
You're welcome. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #20
Run for PRESIDENT Le Gaucher Nov 2018 #15
He can always write and do comedy. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #18
If we elect a Democratic president in 2020 Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #21
Maybe Al should be the one in a Cabinet. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #23
Or, perhaps, Bernie's VP... though Elizabeth would be my first choice. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #116
We need Al Franken Gothmog Nov 2018 #25
+1 n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #79
I'm fine with Franken returning, but he was still right to apologize & resign Tarc Nov 2018 #28
A public apology by Franken, along with a senatorial censure, would have been an adequate punishment Paladin Nov 2018 #34
Perhaps some of the tirades are misogynist, but consider: PatrickforO Nov 2018 #42
Due process doesn't matter in the court of public opinion... cynatnite Nov 2018 #48
Franken did not decide to avoid an ethic investigation--he actually REQUESTED the investigation. StevieM Nov 2018 #54
It was his choice still... cynatnite Nov 2018 #67
I don't see how you can call that a choice. He was railroaded. StevieM Nov 2018 #72
I watched his speech... cynatnite Nov 2018 #96
I don't believe that Franken had any victims to attack. (eom) StevieM Dec 2018 #104
Because all the women lied, right? cynatnite Dec 2018 #117
Franken did not acknowledge the truthfullness of the stories--he disputed them. StevieM Dec 2018 #118
Franken's resignation stopped the investigation... cynatnite Dec 2018 #119
He wasn't given a choice. His resignation was demanded and the demands were accompanied by threats. StevieM Dec 2018 #121
I'm not saying there isn't good in the guy or not acknowledge the good things he did... cynatnite Dec 2018 #122
Fine but I totally disagree. I don't believe he had a real choice, at least not one that can be StevieM Dec 2018 #123
THIS!!!! +1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #107
Was just about to post everything you did Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #52
Well there aren't many who are doing what you are doing. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #53
Gillibrand singles herself out Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #56
Due process is moot when the accused admits it happened, apologizes, and resigns Tarc Nov 2018 #69
Al Franken did not admit the accusations were true. He disputed them. StevieM Nov 2018 #87
If you heard or read Franken's resignation speech, you'd know that your post is untrue. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #89
I watched video of all of Franken's comments, and that's not my take on it. PatrickforO Nov 2018 #91
It was coordinated and Gillibrand was chosen to go first. tammywammy Nov 2018 #83
i do...every senator that was on the list showed a lack of judgement questionseverything Nov 2018 #85
Your question makes me think of those old monster movies where the villagers all light torches, get PatrickforO Nov 2018 #93
I am not willing to give Gillibrand a pass because she's a woman. MicaelS Nov 2018 #63
I think the criticism goes too far sometimes... cynatnite Nov 2018 #68
Sounds like you're arguing for equality... seems reasonable. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #110
We need his strong voice... NOW more than ever before. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #29
+1000 OnDoutside Nov 2018 #50
I'm surprised Gillibrand didn't demand that he check liberalhistorian Nov 2018 #32
I Miss Franken's Voice & Would Welcome Him Back in the Public Arena in Whatever Manner He Chooses dlk Nov 2018 #36
There will be more from him, not less. DFW Nov 2018 #55
That was a right-wing smear job and our leadership fell for it hook, line and sinker. PatrickforO Nov 2018 #38
Franken actually did what he was accused of doing Tarc Nov 2018 #70
if by doing what he was accused of questionseverything Nov 2018 #84
Sorry to see that you trivialize sexual misconduct Tarc Nov 2018 #97
i dont know what "us" you refer to questionseverything Dec 2018 #114
I'm sorry that you do not take seriously the claims of harassment victims Tarc Dec 2018 #125
And some seem to conveniently ignore Franken's resignation speech. Like you apparently have. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #90
You really don't understand what Franken actually said. Pity. Tarc Nov 2018 #98
I can actually read and don't have an obvious agenda. Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #99
In fact, they didn't. When you can man up and admit that others may be right Tarc Dec 2018 #100
Quote, for the evidently hard of comprehension: Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #101
You're still struggling to grasp this point, I see. Tarc Dec 2018 #124
"This is the sort of thing that will be weeded out of the party in time, though." Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #127
If you cannot see the huge gulf of difference in how people in the DU treat a man Tarc Dec 2018 #131
That has nothing to do with your repeatedly posting untruths, no matter how much you try to wriggle. Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #135
I've tried to educate you to no avail Tarc Dec 2018 #136
I can assure you that you have nothing to teach me, nor anybody else here, by the look of it. Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #142
Well clearly you aren't the one who is right. LisaL Dec 2018 #112
So...then we're going to utterly crucify the career of a man who PatrickforO Dec 2018 #133
The key word there is "inappropriately" Tarc Dec 2018 #137
What about the 37 other Senators? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #138
Look at my other posts. I go line by line on each one. n/t PatrickforO Dec 2018 #139
What about my other questions? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #140
So all 8 women were GOP operatives? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #132
All 8? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #141
Go Al! Faux pas Nov 2018 #44
I've been an Al fan for years. I support him in any endeavor he undertakes. dem4decades Nov 2018 #45
FRANKEN SINGLED OUT TO COVER FOR TRUMP Jimvanhise Nov 2018 #47
Good man, Al ! Will look forward to listening to this podcast (and more !). OnDoutside Nov 2018 #49
The photo didn't show him pretending to grope her breasts, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #65
come on in.. the water is warm ! joet67 Nov 2018 #76
It was a right wing hit job because he was an effective progressive voice. Just like Gary Hart n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #80
I completely agree. But you accidentally put "n/t" in the title of your post and then went on StevieM Nov 2018 #88
Progressives sure seem to unfairly get thrown under the bus with more ease than most. Why is that? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #111
Democrats that fall for pubs trickery ...they need to be voted out. Outrageous ignorance !! n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #81
All 38? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #95
GOP operatives won't like this one bit. Kingofalldems Nov 2018 #86
He should move next door to Wisconsin Apollyonus Nov 2018 #92
Johnson's not up until 2022... brooklynite Dec 2018 #134

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. He was a famous political comedian before being
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:26 AM
Nov 2018

a senator required him to regrettably pack that talent away with mothballs. I'd like to see him become a big voice outside the senate.

Humor could draw a bunch of the people who were deaf to thousands of serious attempts to reach them. Even when those imagined they were listening during the debates they completely missed the messages hit again and again.

Thinking about it, I really think he could contribute what we really badly need more of -- stimulation of attention among those who lack interest in public affairs and/or the fear and bigotry that mobilize most of the right.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
2. Al should move to New York and run against Kirsten Gillibrand for her NY Senate seat...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:05 AM
Nov 2018

now that would be a good way to step back into the public arena!

dsc

(52,155 posts)
4. Other than SNL what ties does he have to New York?
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:13 AM
Nov 2018

I know the same could be said of Clinton when she ran in 2000 but they had publicly committed to move there while Franken seems happy in Minnesota.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
6. I agree, Al should publicly commit to moving to NY... hope he does.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:18 AM
Nov 2018

Maybe then he'll finally get the due process he deserved.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
7. He was born there, but moved to MN when he was four.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:19 AM
Nov 2018

When he was running against Coleman, he had a line about how in a race between two New York Jews, the choice was clear.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
11. didn't know that
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

It would be an interesting race but she just got a 6 year term in this election so not until 2024

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
35. His roots are in MN
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:53 AM
Nov 2018

He grew up in the same Minneapolis suburb as the Cohen brothers and was high school classmates with Tom Davis, his comedy partner. I'd rather have him here representing me.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
30. He lived in New York for a very long time.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:41 AM
Nov 2018

I remember seeing him on the street on the upper west side in the 80s a couple of times. I think he moved back to Minnesota after leaving Air America in order to prepare for his Senate run.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,323 posts)
31. He grew up in Minnesota and graduated from high school here. He also cut his teeth in comedy here.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

He then spent time in LA and NYC, then worked for SNL. And yes, he came back to MN after leaving Air America.

IronLionZion

(45,425 posts)
37. Between the 2 NY Jews, Franken was the only one who grew up in Minnesota
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:56 AM
Nov 2018

and the voters agreed, although it was a very close race with an extended recount

hlthe2b

(102,221 posts)
9. While Gillibrand deserves that, I'd prefer she remain in her seat, go no further, and Al wins
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:27 AM
Nov 2018

back MN, where his immensely competent work in the Senate can make a difference for all of us.

Gillibrand is getting her lesson in what happens when one is willing to sacrifice others on the altar of blatant personal ambition. She will go no further in her career.

LakeArenal

(28,816 posts)
22. Agree. I want Gilli to stick to her electorate.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:25 AM
Nov 2018

Al needs no further connection with her.
He is so far beyond her little pond.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. :) Speaking of messages, wonder how many
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:05 PM
Nov 2018

of that 66.4% heard and understood what her bill to criminalize protesting/boycotting Israel for political reasons revealed about the real Gillibrand. This is a senate bill introduced in the last couple of years, not a relic from her conservative past.

She thought 20 years in prison was a reasonable punishment but, backlash making her rethink, she agreed that rewriting the bill to make it clear that only people who own or run businesses that boycott for reasons of conscience would go to prison. Presumably little unincorporated ones or something...?? Someone else cleaned that up -- now they'd just pay crippling fines for exercising their freedom of speech instead.

If her voters knew, then they've got the right representative and she should stay right there -- until people of principle manage to kick her out and back to the Republican Party.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
27. That would be the epitome of a carpetbagger, he would go down in flames
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:36 AM
Nov 2018

Plus, unlike a tiny gaggle of DU agitators, Franken does not harbor ill will against Gillibrand.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
33. I love how people stand up for those accused of sexual harassment against those that
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:48 AM
Nov 2018

fight sexual harassment

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
71. I love how people refuse to fight for DUE PROCESS for those acused of sexual harassment...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:07 PM
Nov 2018

against those who request that those acused of sexual harassment receive such due process.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
75. I respectfully disagree... based on reports I read, it sure seems like he was unfairly railroaded
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:25 PM
Nov 2018

out of the Senate after requesting that the appropriate Senate committee conduct a full investigation into the allegations.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
94. And do you really think the republicans
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:40 PM
Nov 2018

On the ethics committee committee were planning on giving Franken a fair hearing?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
103. Not if the GOP Senators
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:32 AM
Dec 2018

used it as a forum to humiliate Franken. And due process applies to criminal prosecution not to Senate hearings.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
105. So not true...due process applies to civil disputes & matters involving administrative procedures...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 01:30 AM
Dec 2018

There's no doubt about that.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
109. Wrong again, sorry... political Senate hearings most certainly can be subject to varying degrees
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

of due process, depending on what, if any, rights, property, civil liberties, etc. are involved.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
130. Post where he admitted to wrongdoing
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:13 AM
Dec 2018

And not olive-branch apologies for making certain women feel uncomfortable.


I'll wait.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
143. Here you go...
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:18 PM
Dec 2018

“For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it—women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/16/full-text-al-franken-apologizes-for-allegedly-groping-woman-244978

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
145. Errp, try again
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:26 PM
Dec 2018

He said it was inappropriate, not an actual wrongdoing. Besides, there is evidence out there that Tweeden did worse on those USO tours, so you can give your fake outrage a rest

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
146. Lol
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 11:36 PM
Dec 2018

Now we’re going to argue whether inappropriate is also wrong? Thankfully Franken has more intellectual honesty than that.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
128. For what it's worth I believe Sen. Franken was
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:57 PM
Dec 2018

railroaded, BIG TIME. Al was not sexually abusing actors On Stage. This was a right wing attack and, unfortunately, some on the left fell for it hook, line & sinker. Same with the way Madam Speaker Hillary Clinton was, and still is, attacked from the RWNJ’s, with some assistance from some on the left. To my way of thinking that is deplorable! 😳😱 Just as it was for Senator Franken.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
46. If you remember
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:49 PM
Nov 2018

McConnell refused to put Warren in charge of the Agency she created, she then ran for The Senate and has been a thorn in McConnells side ever since.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
62. He should run against Schumer.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:01 PM
Nov 2018

No Dem Senator would have been aiiowed to call for Franken’s resignation if Schumer hadn’t approved it first.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
5. i will always believe he was railroaded
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:13 AM
Nov 2018

on bullshit allegations. i begged him not to resign and would love to see him back in office. one of the best.

a kennedy

(29,644 posts)
8. Why not for Amy Klobuchar's seat, as she's running for POTUS in 2020......
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:21 AM
Nov 2018

She just got re-elected tho.......

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
61. If she is elected President
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:59 PM
Nov 2018

Franken could replace her.
But he should run for Governor and get executive experience.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
18. He can always write and do comedy.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:19 AM
Nov 2018

He was awesome at that. He definitely can be heard that way. Maybe he could help with other people's campaigns too.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
21. If we elect a Democratic president in 2020
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

...then maybe Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) or Senator Tina Smith (D-MN) will be hired for the cabinet, and Al Franken can run, again.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
28. I'm fine with Franken returning, but he was still right to apologize & resign
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:37 AM
Nov 2018

If he wishes to run for office again, let the voters decide if he has repented enough, that is the proper way to go.

The misogynist tirades against Gillibrand from some circles really need to come to an end, though.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
34. A public apology by Franken, along with a senatorial censure, would have been an adequate punishment
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:50 AM
Nov 2018

I hope Franken is back in the public arena, ASAP.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
42. Perhaps some of the tirades are misogynist, but consider:
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:02 PM
Nov 2018

We have a US Senator who leads the charge in calling for a fellow Senator to resign without even waiting for some kind of investigation. Now, regardless of gender, this seemed to me a calculated action designed to elevate that Senator into the national limelight in preparation for a 2020 run. In pure politics, that's certainly how I saw it.

They say politics is like sausage - you don't want to see it being made. But for us to lose Al Franken as a result of such a political manoeuver is despicable. This is why I will not support Gillibrand, Harris or Sanders in 2020.

Due process is the cornerstone of our society. It helps us create the predictability needed to operate as a society, and gives us the (often dimmed these days) hope that justice will prevail and the good will win out over the evil.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
48. Due process doesn't matter in the court of public opinion...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:05 PM
Nov 2018

Al Franken made his choice to resign rather than ride it out through the ethics investigation. Whether it was the right one or not is a matter of debate.

I don't like the antipathy on Gillibrand and some of it goes too far, IMO. If we're not willing to give tRump and the rest a pass it should be no different when it comes to one of our own. We can't be hypocritical here.

I say it's up to the voters and the public to decide if Franken is repentant enough. I think it's possible he is, but I don't know.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
54. Franken did not decide to avoid an ethic investigation--he actually REQUESTED the investigation.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

The Senate Democrats, led by Kirsten Gillibrand, cut the process short. They demanded his resignation and promised to completely isolate him, and render him completely ineffective in the Senate. Nothing like this had ever happened before.

It wasn't Franken's choice to resign. The choice was taken away from him, and from the people of Minnesota.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
67. It was his choice still...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:44 PM
Nov 2018

Sure, the pressure was there, but in the end he still made the decision. If the choice was taken away, then he would've been recalled. That did not happen.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
72. I don't see how you can call that a choice. He was railroaded.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:08 PM
Nov 2018

And what they did to him goes well beyond pressure.

There should have been a thorough ethics investigation. Gillibrand led the charge to stop that from happening.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
96. I watched his speech...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:41 PM
Nov 2018

I understand why you feel that way. I don't. He could've used his bully pulpit more, IMO, but he didn't. He felt he was doing the right thing at the time by putting party over politics. I thought it was the right thing to do and despite my feelings about his actions, I thought it was courageous, too. Others that had similar accusations attacked their victims. Franken did not and I respect that.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
117. Because all the women lied, right?
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 06:19 PM
Dec 2018

Or their memories were faulty? Or they took it wrong? Or whatever other explanation you can come up to explain it all away.

Al Franken apologized and resigned as a result of his bad choices. He acknowledged them. He spoke about his humor that was ugly towards women and acknowledged how bad that was.

Trumpsters feel the same as you do about the women who accused their orange god. SMH

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
118. Franken did not acknowledge the truthfullness of the stories--he disputed them.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 06:34 PM
Dec 2018

And he did not resign over his actions, he resigned because his fellow Democrats railroaded him out of the Senate.

The way to address the questions you raised was to have an ethics investigation. Gillibrand and the other Senate Democrats prevented that from happening.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
119. Franken's resignation stopped the investigation...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:01 PM
Dec 2018

Full transcript of apology:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/al-franken-apology/index.html

Senate speech:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/speech-al-franken-transcript/index.html

About the ethics investigation:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/30/senate-ethics-committee-launches-its-investigation-al-franken/911503001/

He was not railroaded. He chose to resign and he did it before the ethics investigation did their job. His choice. Now, there are some who do regret calling for it before it was completed. There is no disputing that, but let's be real here. He made a choice and he has to live with it now.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
121. He wasn't given a choice. His resignation was demanded and the demands were accompanied by threats.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:37 PM
Dec 2018

Threats to deny him the ability to do his job and effectively serve the people of Minnesota. They left him no choice unless he was going to ignore the needs of the people of Minnesota. Franken had too much integrity to do that.

The apology was Franken's way of not going on the attack and trying to respect other people's perspectives. He was not confessing to assault or harassment, as he later tried to make clear. But his decision to treat people with respect was used as a weapon against him. Sadly, that is a lesson that people will learn from this situation and it will now be harder to get people to behave with the same integrity and decency that we saw from Al Franken.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
122. I'm not saying there isn't good in the guy or not acknowledge the good things he did...
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:41 PM
Dec 2018

It's still a choice. He may have felt otherwise, but he still chose to resign.

He did acknowledge what he did. He said he couldn't even remember some of the accusers. I do think he's guilty for some of it. If he was innocent, I think he would have fought it tooth and nail every step of the way. Still, this is the bed he made.

You feel differently and I feel differently about this. I think we should just accept that we disagree about this and move on.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
123. Fine but I totally disagree. I don't believe he had a real choice, at least not one that can be
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 07:47 PM
Dec 2018

interpreted as him resigning over his actions, rather than because of the threats he was facing.

And I don't believe he acknowledged what he was accused of, I think he disputed the allegations of wrongdoing.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
52. Was just about to post everything you did
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:04 PM
Nov 2018

So, thank you.

Also, I think it is sexist to assume that those of us who are criticizing ALL of the senators who demanded Franken resign are misogynists. I'm just as angry at Sanders as I am at Gillibrand and Harris. They ALL did it for political purposes. Please don't tell those of us who see it for what it was we're picking on women.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
56. Gillibrand singles herself out
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:13 PM
Nov 2018

She literally tweeted out an article about it. And that's enough to tell me that she does have an inkling that her motives were askew.


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
69. Due process is moot when the accused admits it happened, apologizes, and resigns
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:17 PM
Nov 2018

Franken actually did what he was accused of, this is something that some here like to sweep under the rug.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
87. Al Franken did not admit the accusations were true. He disputed them.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:35 PM
Nov 2018

But because he treated the women with respect, and said they should be listened to, it was taken as a confession.

He did not resign because he was acknowledging that his actions warranted his resignation. He resigned because his Democratic colleagues bullied him out of the Senate. They made it clear that they would completely isolate him and render him incapable of doing his job in an effective way.

Nothing like that had ever happened before. And Gillibrand led the charge, with the rest of the caucus shamefully giving in and joining her.

Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
89. If you heard or read Franken's resignation speech, you'd know that your post is untrue.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:53 PM
Nov 2018

My bold.

A couple of months ago, I felt that we had entered an important moment in the history of this country. We were finally beginning to listen to women about the ways in which men’s actions affect them. That moment was long overdue. I was excited for that conversation, and hopeful that it would result in real change that made life better for women all across the country and in every part of our society.

Then, the conversation turned to me. Over the last few weeks, a number of women have come forward to talk about how they felt my actions had affected them. I was shocked. I was upset. But in responding to their claims, I also wanted to be respectful of that broader conversation, because all women deserve to be heard, and their experiences taken seriously.

I think that was the right thing to do. I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that, in fact, I haven’t done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others, I remember very differently.


I said at the outset that the Ethics Committee was the right venue for these allegations to be heard, and investigated, and evaluated on their merits. That I was prepared to cooperate fully. And that I was confident in the outcome.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/al-franken-resignation-speech-transcript-full-text-285960


Now please quit peddling this untruth.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
91. I watched video of all of Franken's comments, and that's not my take on it.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:09 PM
Nov 2018

Here's the full text of Franken's initial abject apology, wherein he calls for an ethics investigation with which he says he will cooperate: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/16/full-text-al-franken-apologizes-for-allegedly-groping-woman-244978

Now, here's a link to the full text of Franken's resignation, and below I have printed an excerpt, with the bolded portion mine: https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/speech-al-franken-transcript/index.html

A couple months ago, I felt that we had entered an important moment in the history of this country. We were finally beginning to listen to women about the ways in which men's actions affect them. The moment was long overdue. I was excited for that conversation and hopeful that it would result in real change that made life better for women all across the country and in every part of our society. Then the conversation turned to me. Over the last few weeks, a number of women have come forward to talk about how they felt my actions had affected them. I was shocked. I was upset. But in responding to their claims, I also wanted to be respectful of that broader conversation. Because all women deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously. I think that was the right thing to do. I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that in fact I haven't done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember very differently. I said at the outset that the ethics committee was the right venue for these allegations to be heard and investigated and evaluated on their merits. That I was prepared to cooperate fully and that I was confident in the outcome.

This is why I must respectfully differ with your statement.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
83. It was coordinated and Gillibrand was chosen to go first.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:20 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

After Gillibrand it was:
Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Patty Murray of Washington, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Kamala Harris of California, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Dianne Feinstein of California, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mazie Hirono of Hawaii also joined in the call for Franken to resign.

Do you feel the same
About Harris, Duckworth, or Warren?

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
85. i do...every senator that was on the list showed a lack of judgement
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:26 PM
Nov 2018

that I feel excludes them for being fit for president

including Bernie and I am a huge Bernie supporter

if dems cave every time a republican lies, we are toast

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
93. Your question makes me think of those old monster movies where the villagers all light torches, get
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:09 PM
Nov 2018

their pitchforks and hoes and head up the long, winding road to the castle, which they intend to wreck and its owner, which they are unclear what they want to do, but hey, it's a mob.

So, my question to you is whether the last person up the hill with the torch and pitchfork is as guilty as the instigator, or if the levels of guilt are somehow different? With that question in mind, here is my answer to you:

Gillibrand has presidential hopes. I will not support her because to gain political advantage through the betrayal and destruction of an ally is despicable. To me, she was the instigator, the guy in the pub that shouted the loudest and got the mob all fired up and vengeful.

McCaskill was up for election in a red state, and anticipated facing a strong Republican opponent. She, in fact, lost to Republican Josh Hawley, and is now out of it. I guess the move, which I believe I correctly read as desperation on McCaskill's part, did not work as planned.

Maggie Hassan had ambitions toward a US Senate seat, which she in fact won from Kelly Ayotte. Supporting the ouster of Franken may have helped her, though Ayotte was caught in a lie and ended up losing a critical number of Indy voters. Specifically she had said Trump was a 'role model' and then later that she would not vote for him. Both talked about bipartisanship, but it was close - less than a point in favor of Hassan. Now, she was a governor, and now is gaining national experience as a US Senator, so may be positioning herself for a presidential run in 2024 or 2028. Should that happen, I will make the decision to support her or not based on her performance in the Senate.

Harris has presidential hopes in 2020, like Gillibrand, and while I like her better than Gillibrand, I will consider her actions vis-a-vis Franken against the her entire package of performance (I always try and look at what politicians DO rather than what they SAY when making a decision as to which one I want to support).

Tammy Baldwin is a good Senator. Her positions are good, and her politics are good. I'm a healthcare voter, and she is pro-Medicare-for-all. She was best known in her own state, and has a very good reputation there. She has made just a couple forays into the national limelight - one where she was trying to get worker representation on corporate boards, and the Franken thing. But, she's not running for president and I'm not a Wisconsin voter. Moot point.

As to Feinstein and Stabenow, I'm irritated with both of them. Feinstein was under some pretty serious attack but both ended up beating their Republican opponents handily. I'm not thinking either has presidential aspirations. So, moot point.

Duckworth...well I have a real admiration and high level of respect for her because she's absolutely courageous, a war hero and a mom who forced the Senate to become family friendly. She's got a will of iron to accomplish what she has as a double amputee. I'm inclined to forgive her this indiscretion because she didn't lead the charge - just piled on. Yes, I'm irritated, but Duckworth is relatively new and has a very, very promising career in the Senate. Later, perhaps in 2024 or 2028 a presidential run would not be out of the question. I would likely support Duckworth, and she's young, barely fifty.

Elizabeth Warren should know better. She's positioning herself for a presidential run in 2020, but if she ends up being front runner and Trump is still in play, which he could be, winning the election would be an uphill slog for her. I'm inclined to forgive Warren, though, because though she piled on as part of the 'mob,' she also knows Wall Street inside and out, and the Accountable Capitalism Act she introduced in August is absolutely brilliant. It would solve SO many problems it isn't even funny - as an economist, I see the primacy of the shareholder as the main root cause of global warming, predatory capitalism, and a host of other negatives we see with Wall Street's short-term 'what kind of profits will you show THIS quarter?' mentality. To my mind, Warren could well replace Teddy Kennedy as the Lion of the Senate - she's that good. So would I support her in a 2020 primary? I'd have to say yes, I'd support her over Clinton, Biden and Sanders. Do I think she could win the general? Against Trump, maybe not - he is a charismatic pathological liar who cares about nothing but winning. Could she win against Pence, or Kasich, or 'Lyin' Ted Cruz? Absolutely, because those three have very little in the way of crowd appeal. My personal hope is that Warren stays in the Senate and continues to introduce bills like the Accountable Capitalism Act, and advocate for workers and consumers. Yet I would support her in a run.

Hirono...well she handily beat her Republican opponent - no surprise in HI. But she has stage 4 kidney cancer and may not last her term. Because of that, well, I just wish her the best, you know? Cancer is an evil disease and when you get over 60 it's like a crap shoot. I mean, who knows? So no, I'm not irritated at Hirono in the least.

So am I rational in my stances? Maybe not. But I own them and still believe Al Franken was railroaded and I will certainly fight tooth and nail against the instigator of the call for him to resign. The people behind with the pitchforks and torches...well you know now how I feel about each of them.

As to me personally, I have never been assaulted nor the victim of other violent crime. I've never been raped, though there was a close call when I was a boy. But I got away. However, many women I know have been assaulted - far more than one might think, and I grew up during the 60s, 70s and 80s when things were pretty wild and wooly. Even the 90s saw some really egregious stuff happening to women. I do have daughters and granddaughters, so my hope is that all vestiges of the 'rape culture' be cleared away. But even the worst misogynist, homophobe, xenophobe or white nationalist deserves due process. That is the cornerstone of our entire justice system.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
63. I am not willing to give Gillibrand a pass because she's a woman.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:05 PM
Nov 2018

She fucked up, big time. And if can roast men for their fuckups, we can do the same to women.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
68. I think the criticism goes too far sometimes...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:46 PM
Nov 2018

The stuff that's been said here about Hillary not that long ago was bad enough I rarely came around. There's just enough ickiness to the criticism that just doesn't sit right with me.

Everyone should be criticized if they deserve it, but how it's done is where I have the problem.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. We need his strong voice... NOW more than ever before.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:40 AM
Nov 2018

Franken was railroaded. It was an unforgivable betrayal.

liberalhistorian

(20,816 posts)
32. I'm surprised Gillibrand didn't demand that he check
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:45 AM
Nov 2018

with her first. I hope this makes her extremely uncomfortable, since she spearheaded his railroading out of the senate without even a hearing or any due process.

dlk

(11,546 posts)
36. I Miss Franken's Voice & Would Welcome Him Back in the Public Arena in Whatever Manner He Chooses
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:54 AM
Nov 2018

Come back Al!

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
38. That was a right-wing smear job and our leadership fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:56 AM
Nov 2018

Franken is one of our best and he needs to get back in the fray.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
70. Franken actually did what he was accused of doing
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:18 PM
Nov 2018

I know people like you like to conveniently ignore this fact, but, it happened. It is why he issued the apology, then resigned.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
84. if by doing what he was accused of
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:20 PM
Nov 2018

you mean, doing a uso show with a little raunchy humor then you are not totally incorrect

if you mean he actually sexually harassed someone you are incorrect

apologizing for someone elses hurt feelings is not an admission of guilt

franken was acorned ,it is that simple

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
97. Sorry to see that you trivialize sexual misconduct
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:48 PM
Nov 2018

Maybe you can work that out sometime, and get back to us when you're feeling a little bit more progressive.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
125. I'm sorry that you do not take seriously the claims of harassment victims
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:32 PM
Dec 2018

Maybe you should work on that, rather than parroting the MRA movement.

Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
90. And some seem to conveniently ignore Franken's resignation speech. Like you apparently have.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

My bold.

A couple of months ago, I felt that we had entered an important moment in the history of this country. We were finally beginning to listen to women about the ways in which men’s actions affect them. That moment was long overdue. I was excited for that conversation, and hopeful that it would result in real change that made life better for women all across the country and in every part of our society.

Then, the conversation turned to me. Over the last few weeks, a number of women have come forward to talk about how they felt my actions had affected them. I was shocked. I was upset. But in responding to their claims, I also wanted to be respectful of that broader conversation, because all women deserve to be heard, and their experiences taken seriously.

I think that was the right thing to do. I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that, in fact, I haven’t done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others, I remember very differently.


I said at the outset that the Ethics Committee was the right venue for these allegations to be heard, and investigated, and evaluated on their merits. That I was prepared to cooperate fully. And that I was confident in the outcome.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/al-franken-resignation-speech-transcript-full-text-285960


Now please quit peddling this untruth.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
98. You really don't understand what Franken actually said. Pity.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:51 PM
Nov 2018

It didn't matter what his own recollections were, it mattered how his actions were received by the victims. He was smart enough to realize and acknowledge it.

Keep trying though, you'll get on his level someday.


Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
99. I can actually read and don't have an obvious agenda.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:01 AM
Dec 2018

You've claimed repeatedly that he "did what he was accused of" and "admitted" it. His words refute that. Live with it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
100. In fact, they didn't. When you can man up and admit that others may be right
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

even when when you think you did nothing wrong, as Franken did, you'll be a better man for it.

Run along now.

Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
101. Quote, for the evidently hard of comprehension:
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:16 AM
Dec 2018
I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that, in fact, I haven’t done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others, I remember very differently.


Run along yourself, and take your patronizing misrepresentations with you.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
124. You're still struggling to grasp this point, I see.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:31 PM
Dec 2018

This is the sort of thing that will be weeded out of the party in time, though.

Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
127. "This is the sort of thing that will be weeded out of the party in time, though."
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:55 PM
Dec 2018

What? Repeatedly lying about elected Democratic representatives?

Yes, that should probably go.

Trot on.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
131. If you cannot see the huge gulf of difference in how people in the DU treat a man
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:46 PM
Dec 2018

accused of sexual misconduct when he is on "our" side vs. "their side", then there is no eyeglass prescription in the world that can help you see clearly.

Run along now.


Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
135. That has nothing to do with your repeatedly posting untruths, no matter how much you try to wriggle.
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 02:12 PM
Dec 2018

You've claimed repeatedly to the effect that Franken "actually did what he was accused of doing". How the hell you'd know that, I've no idea, unless you were present at each alleged incident, which would put a new light on matters.

You've repeatedly claimed that Franklen "admitted" it. I've posted his own words from his resignation speech which refute that (as the poster below agreed, though you've not replied to her).

That's two repeated falsehoods. If you want to persist in posting falsehoods about Democratic public figures, that's your choice, but don't expect not to be called out on it on a Democratic board.

Now do trot on. Clippety-clop.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
136. I've tried to educate you to no avail
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:18 AM
Dec 2018

At some point, one has to cut one's losses when dealing with institutionalized misogyny.

The ignore list is a godsend; welcome to it.

Denzil_DC

(7,230 posts)
142. I can assure you that you have nothing to teach me, nor anybody else here, by the look of it.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:34 AM
Dec 2018

If you invent "facts", you can expect to be called out on it.

I'm truly privileged to be included on your ignore list.

But you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant "la-la-la" as much as you like, the truth exists whether you're a stranger to it or not.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
112. Well clearly you aren't the one who is right.
Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:43 AM
Dec 2018

He hasn't admitted that he was guilty of the accusations. He states that quite plainly.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
133. So...then we're going to utterly crucify the career of a man who
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 01:30 PM
Dec 2018

inappropriately groped a woman back in the nineties or oughts?

Yeah he should apologize, which he did. Maybe the Senate should have censured him, WHICH IT NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO DO BECAUSE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS FORCED FRANKEN TO RESIGN BEFORE HE HAD DUE PROCESS.

That is the SINGLE issue about this that I have such heartburn with. Franken's career was crucified on a cross of innuendo (not the photo with Tweeden but the other accusers) before any investigation took place.

I've got three daughters, two granddaughters and a loving wife, and I don't ever want them groped or sexually assaulted. No woman should be. But if we're going to kick every man who ever told any off color joke that offended someone or inappropriately groped someone a couple decades ago out of his career, then the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I can understand how woman are deeply angry about decades of this happening to them, and that change has been far too slow. BUT FRANKEN DIDN'T GET DUE PROCESS. HE WAS TRIED AND CONVICTED BY RIGHT-WING MANIPULATIONS OF THE PRESS, AND FORCED TO RESIGN BY PEOPLE WHO MADE POLITICAL HAY OUT OF IT.

Do you really think Kirsten Gillibrand was so utterly offended by Franken that she demanded he resign for moral reasons, or do you think there might have been some element of positioning herself for a presidential run in 2020? Just asking because that is politics, and just maybe Franken was perceived by some as a serious 2020 competitor. Don't try and tell me that stuff doesn't happen.

You are aware that there allegations that Tweeden might have been manipulated by Roger Stone for political reasons? I mean, why would all those women Franken has worked with in the Senate write that letter of support?

Look at Kavanaugh and Trump versus Franken in the sexual assault/creepy groping/horrible misogyny realm. See, this is the key here. First, is there due process, and second, does the punishment fit the crime? Trump is gross and if the Republicans had actually been fair about the Kavanaugh deal, he would never have been confirmed. Franken cleaned up his act and got very serious when he joined the Senate. He was a good Senator who really cared about his constituents. He was a really strong voice against Trump. So, basically, we shot ourselves in the foot.

We no longer have Franken, but hey, we've got Trump and Brett. What is wrong with that picture?

Well, bottom line, you're gonna think like you do, and I'm gonna think like I do. Neither of us is likely to change our minds because of this post or subsequent ones, are we?

But I'll tell you this: I will fight tooth and nail against Gillibrand in the primary FOR THIS REASON. If she'd waited until the ethics investigation Franken himself requested was over and then, if warranted, demanded his resignation, then I would see her far more favorably. But she ruined any ambition she has for 2020 with this ill-advised act, and if she runs, it will be a bloody, ugly primary where the winner comes out wounded. Basically, she and the several others leading the charge set us up for a real potential circular firing squad.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
137. The key word there is "inappropriately"
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:20 AM
Dec 2018

I'm glad that you've taken the first step here. That's more that can be said for other entrenched DU denizens.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
138. What about the 37 other Senators?
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:23 AM
Dec 2018

What were their motives? Why do you only question the motives of one out of 38? Do you have any evidence to support your accusations? If so, please provide links. Does this particular Senator have a history of sabotaging political opponents? Again please provide examples and links.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
132. So all 8 women were GOP operatives?
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:58 PM
Dec 2018

Including Tina Dupuy? Please provide links that prove that they were.

Jimvanhise

(301 posts)
47. FRANKEN SINGLED OUT TO COVER FOR TRUMP
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:55 PM
Nov 2018

So 17 women accuse Donald Trump of outright sexual assault (one of them is successfully suing him) but nothing happens. Yet Franken is the one forced to resign? Trump claimed he was going to sue those women, but he never did. If a Democratic President had 17 women accuse him of sexual assault, Fox News and the GOP would have demanded his resignation.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
65. The photo didn't show him pretending to grope her breasts, ...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:08 PM
Nov 2018

... it showed him pretending to grope her bulletproof vest. A very different tactile sensation, I'm sure.

The bulletproof vest is only a bit more sensual than a 1961-era brassiere.

I wish him well on his return to politics. A presidential run is probably out of the question, but I'd vote for him.

wroberts189

(4,105 posts)
80. It was a right wing hit job because he was an effective progressive voice. Just like Gary Hart n/t
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:00 PM
Nov 2018

He was a champion of womens rights period.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
88. I completely agree. But you accidentally put "n/t" in the title of your post and then went on
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:40 PM
Nov 2018

to include comments in the body of the message.

I assume that you forgot so I figured I would give you a heads up.

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
134. Johnson's not up until 2022...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 02:00 PM
Dec 2018

...and why would people from Wisconsin vote for Franken as opposed to anyone else?

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