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JI7

(89,239 posts)
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:49 AM Dec 2018

John Chau was right to go to North Sentinel, says his mission organisation

While some regard him as a hero and martyr, his actions have been widely criticised.

Dr Pam Arlund, a member of the international leadership team of All Nations, told Christian Today by email that her organisation did not accept that North Sentinel Island ought to be isolated, that the landing was not illegal and that Chau had been well prepared for his venture. Her answers are given below.

CT: How do you respond to charges that he was putting the islanders' lives at risk because of their lack of resistance to Western diseases?

AN: In preparation for his mission John Chau identified and tried to receive 13 different immunizations to try to make sure that he didn't spread diseases. We also know from his journals that he placed himself in a type of quarantine the last few days before his attempt to contact the North Sentinelese.

No one knows for sure what might or might not happen if a group outsider befriended the North Sentinelese. We are aware that in the past when local outsiders contacted populations for the first time, there was often a rapid die off of the local population due to disease. For example, when Europeans arrived in the western hemisphere this was the case. However, in the modern time period, situations are much different from in the past. For example, we have antibiotics and advanced medicines that could help local populations survive initial contacts.

These same medicines could likely help the local Sentinelese now, if only they had access to them. We do not know of their health condition, but perhaps some modern medicines would help them be healthier now. Perhaps some of them are dying of preventable diseases. We simply don't know. Denying a people group the right to medicine is not acceptable.

CT: Some commentators have said this was a 'colonial-style' undertaking, that the people had shown they didn't want to be contacted and that he should have respected that. I wonder how you respond to that view?

AN: We do not feel that honoring other cultures and leaving them alone are synonymous. We believe that all peoples everywhere have the right to hear about Jesus and his love and make their own decisions about whether to follow him or not. We believe in sharing Jesus' life affirming message in a way that honors other cultures. We know that the way Jesus is followed will look different in different places. However, we believe all peoples deserve the right to know about him.

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/john-chau-was-right-to-go-to-north-sentinel-says-his-mission-organisation/131087.htm


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John Chau was right to go to North Sentinel, says his mission organisation (Original Post) JI7 Dec 2018 OP
Oh christ on a stick, ps3m arlund is a stupig ignorant fuck. pangaia Dec 2018 #1
I invite the organization to finish what Chau started.. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #2
i'm sure there will find some other young ones to do it JI7 Dec 2018 #4
They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #7
Something She Should Be asked erpowers Dec 2018 #22
Yeah, they should go there, one at a time in 2 or 3 month intervals. That will give the islanders 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #9
So in other words Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #3
Perhaps Dr Arlund should schedule a visit. Lucky Luciano Dec 2018 #5
These people are attempting genocide. If they will not cease pursuing this goal, they should be RockRaven Dec 2018 #6
Oh F her Marrah_Goodman Dec 2018 #8
Some 20 years ago, I was asked to contribute to some fund. I asked what it was for DFW Dec 2018 #10
I have long thought that any sort of missionary undertakings... 3catwoman3 Dec 2018 #11
They all should go over there posthaste and get their sainthood dalton99a Dec 2018 #12
and they need $$. lots of $$. nt msongs Dec 2018 #13
"It's okay he brings modern germs to these people"... dawg day Dec 2018 #14
Fuck those brainwashed imbeciles... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #15
What the . . . ? gratuitous Dec 2018 #16
Does Not Seem Healthy erpowers Dec 2018 #23
"peoples everywhere have the right to hear about Jesus"... jcgoldie Dec 2018 #17
Just another martyr for the cause... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #18
Teaching a 2,000 year old religion to a 60,000 year old culture Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #19
It was illegal treestar Dec 2018 #20
John Chau perhaps didn't explain correctly to the islanders. Maybe, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #21
What If People Do Not Want To Be Bothered erpowers Dec 2018 #24
 

Just a Weirdo

(488 posts)
2. I invite the organization to finish what Chau started..
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:56 AM
Dec 2018

See how that comes out....

I don't think the Sentientalese wants to hear about this Hay-zus guy.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
4. i'm sure there will find some other young ones to do it
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:57 AM
Dec 2018

but i doubt the leadership will attempt it themselves.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
22. Something She Should Be asked
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:05 PM
Dec 2018

Someone needs to ask this woman if she plans to take a trip to the island to introduce the islanders to Jesus. Maybe she should also be asked about her field work. How much time has she spent going into countries and trying to introduce people to Jesus? Does she just sit in an office and send young people to do the field work?

3Hotdogs

(12,323 posts)
9. Yeah, they should go there, one at a time in 2 or 3 month intervals. That will give the islanders
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 01:11 AM
Dec 2018

enough time between visits to make replacement arrows.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
3. So in other words
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:57 AM
Dec 2018

Fuck their sovereign isolation, let's ruin their culture and bring them Jeezus! Sick and so self centered.

RockRaven

(14,893 posts)
6. These people are attempting genocide. If they will not cease pursuing this goal, they should be
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:58 AM
Dec 2018

prosecuted.

DFW

(54,276 posts)
10. Some 20 years ago, I was asked to contribute to some fund. I asked what it was for
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 01:38 AM
Dec 2018

Then they came clean and said it was to help finance a trip to India to convert the people there to Christianity. I said I would contribute an amount equal to the amount that they would contribute for Hindu missionaries to come to the USA to convert Americans to the Hindu religion. That spared me all further solicitations from them.

3catwoman3

(23,944 posts)
11. I have long thought that any sort of missionary undertakings...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 01:44 AM
Dec 2018

...are the height of arrogance and effrontery. People need to mind their own damn business when it comes to spiritual matters.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
14. "It's okay he brings modern germs to these people"...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 04:12 AM
Dec 2018

... "If he brings modern meds AND THE BIBLE!"

This organization killed Chau. and they're preening about it. "We're MARTYRS IN JESUS'S CAUSE!
""

I am really done with people whose obsessions lead somehow to the deaths of others.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
15. Fuck those brainwashed imbeciles...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:47 AM
Dec 2018

they need to work on their own bullshit beliefs before foisting them on others. They are all about forcing others to believe their crap or die... just like they did to the indigenous people wherever they went and still do wherever they go. I was raised by a gang of zealots like this and will gladly tell them where to stuff their bs whenever they try to spew their vile garbage in my presence.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. What the . . . ?
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:34 AM
Dec 2018
"In preparation for his mission John Chau identified and tried to receive 13 different immunizations to try to make sure that he didn't spread diseases. We also know from his journals that he placed himself in a type of quarantine the last few days before his attempt to contact the North Sentinelese."


Followed closely by the old "nobody knows" for sure what might happen. Sure, God might have miracled a cure for the islanders after John exposed them to diseases. So, sure, that could happen. I don't see Dr. Pam volunteering to be injected with HIV or another disease to prove God's miraculous curative abilities. And what does it mean that Chau "tried to receive" immunizations? Did he get those shots or not? If you "try" to get a flu shot but you don't get one, you didn't get a flu shot. What does it mean that Chau placed himself in "a type of quarantine"? Did he get certification from a medical doctor that he wasn't contagious? Considering what we know of Chau's intellectual heft, I'm not persuaded he knew what he was doing at all. But that just makes him par for the All Nations course.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
23. Does Not Seem Healthy
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:29 PM
Dec 2018

My thought when I read the part about getting 13 different immunizations was that it seemed dangerous to try to get 13 different immunizations. Can the human body handle having 13 different immunizations in it at the same time? It seems like there would be a chance for some sort of bad reaction with all those drugs interacting in a person's system. Maybe, if he did get the immunizations, he got them over the course of many months. Maybe he got one immunization per month until he got all the immunizations.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
21. John Chau perhaps didn't explain correctly to the islanders. Maybe, ...
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:58 AM
Dec 2018

... Dr Pam Arlund should get a kayak and take herself to the island, to 'splain Jesus to the deprived natives. I'm sure they'd listen to her.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
24. What If People Do Not Want To Be Bothered
Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:42 PM
Dec 2018

So, what if these islanders do not want to be bothered? Do these people have a right to separate themselves from everyone else if that is what they desire?

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