The credibility of a gathering is damaged when that gathering invites speakers to that event who

[still_one]

expressed hatred toward President Obama and the Democratic nominee, and some of those proudly announced they voted against the Democratic nominee, and encouraged and campaigned for others to do likewise.

[Sneederbunk]

1. Sounds like a GOP gathering.

[Squinch]

2. Or a gathering of JPR types.

[Hortensis]

9. No, the other anti-Democratic hostiles -- much smaller but even

sillier on the left. At least the right doesn't claim they'l do just what we will as soon as they get rid of us.

Not so funny in this era of very thin electoral victories, when almost any dissident candidate might throw a whole nation to the right. But I laughed anyway when I saw the names speaking at this gathering. My guess is observing those drawn to it would make a nice little paper for undergrad social science majors.

[emulatorloo]

3. He Alone Can Fix It

Seems to me the gathering was originally put together with the expectation that there would be no blue wave in 2018, as he was predicting. Same with the new book.

[still_one]

4. Hmmmm, all I know is that some participants in such a gathering actively worked to suppress

to suppress any possible “blue wave”

[Cha]

18. That's exactly what happened..

you mean "2018" though, right?

Too bad for them.. the BLUE WAVE HAPPENED with 60 Million votes and 40 red seats FLIPPED to BLUE.. or was it 42?

[emulatorloo]

66. Yes 2018. Corrected

Thanks!

[Cha]

67. I knew

you meant that.

[rgbecker]

5. You guys are so clever the way you sort of disguise who you are bashing.......

Gotta love it.

[still_one]

6. you think stating the facts is bashing? Gee, "us guys" better be more creative

[Ms. Toad]

27. There is nothing factual in the OP -

it is pure opinion: The credibility of a gathering depends on all the speakers believing and behaving in the way I think is appropriate.

I've got no idea what it is referring to - but I recognize the distinction between opinion and fact.

[still_one]

31. Based on the criteria setup in the OP, it is logical and factual. "The credibility of a gathering

is damaged when that gathering invites speakers to that event who
expressed hatred toward President Obama and the Democratic nominee, and some of those proudly announced they voted against the Democratic nominee, and encouraged and campaigned for others to do likewise."


It would not be unlike a Civil Rights group inviting David Duke to lecture them about Civil Rights. There would be a credibility problem

[Ms. Toad]

69. except that the gathering was not defined at all

So it is pure opinion that the credibility of all such unspecified gatherings would be damaged by including people with whom the OP disagrees.

I concur that there would be a credibility problem if a Civil Rights group invited David Duke. But that is not the scenario set up in the OP, in which the nature of the gathering was completely unspecified - and only the people invited speakers. In some gatherings those people would not damage the credibility of the gatherings at all - in others they would.

[sheshe2]

57. One of the guest speakers called Obama a field negro.

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He, Cornell said he was not 'black enough' and a Republican in blackface. He said he was a sellout to Wall Street and a 'black puppet.'

Another, Sue, said Hillary was worse than trump told people not to vote and she herself voted third party.

Our Revolution has stated they will support any candidate, even Republicans.

Sorry, long list and will not go through them all. Sorry as well, you see no credibility.

[Ms. Toad]

70. The OP did not specify any particular gathering

I'm responding to the OP as written.

If there is more to it, it ought to be included in the OP. I have no idea which gathering or which speakers the OP was discussing, since the OP was a blanket statement.

[sheshe2]

71. It was The Gathering.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211451995

[Ms. Toad]

73. Had the OP actually identified a specific event, I would have responded differently

(probably wouldn't have responded at all).

The OP said, "The credibility of a gathering" - an improper noun (i.e. not a specific event), preceded by an indefinite article (meaning any gathering, not a specific event).

I'm not being cute - I was not aware the OP was referring to a specific event.

[Cha]

16. You're wrong.. the OP is exposing

3rd party shite.. like sarond0n, cenk, cornel west, etc..

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

44. Now what's this?

[still_one]

7. The Gathering

[Cha]

8. Well stated, still_one. It's beyond

"damaged". No credibility whatsoever. It's gaslit.

[salin]

10. I feel slow on the uptake, but am not sure which meeting you are referring?

Though the trailer posted later in the thread is entertaining (and appropriately ominous for anything referring to Trumpsters and the GOP.)

[Iggo]

11. My guess is hey're trying not to openly bash Democrats.

I assume it's Democrats, because if it was Bernie Sanders, they'd gleefully state it openly.

[Cha]

12. sarandon, cornel west, cenk.. etc are Not

Democrats. And, the OP is exposing them.

[Iggo]

14. Exposing them by getting cute about avoiding naimg them?

At DU, that behavior is usually reserved for bashing Democrats.

I apologize for my error.

[Cha]

15. Well the OP is Not "bashing Democrats"..

far from it.

[Iggo]

17. I said I apologize for the error.

[Cha]

19. Thank You.

[salin]

20. I honestly didn't know the reference. Until other OPs went up about the lack of diversity

at a certain gathering. Ah. Now I know what is being talked about.

I sort of shut some things out this weekend. News overload and all that.

[Cha]

21. It's understandable.. I've

seen it all over twitter.

[still_one]

35. I am NOT bashing Democrats, including Senator Sanders, but questioning the credibility of a group

who has participants and speakers in that group that openly do

[Cha]

13. Charles Pierce on cenk..

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

23. So what? What did he say that was particularly insightful in that tweet you thought so important?

[Cha]

24. Haha.. Charles Pierce called out cenk for

the "don't know squat" that he is.

[JCanete]

25. and he really showed everybody by saying that....all those specifics. Usually burns land better

if you show something specific that you are challenging or something ironic about the person's statement...etc. What did he reveal here? What did he prove?

The point isn't by the way, that he shouldn't have tweeted. He felt what he was saying was worth saying. But why do you think it sheds light on anything or adds anything?

[Cha]

26. Charles Pierce:"Or is it simply the Cenk Don't Know Squat Caucus?"

[Me.]

32. THank You Cha

Always liked Pierce, find him very perceptive.

[Cha]

36. Yes, Charlie Pierce knows exactly what he's talking about..

There's a quote below from Josh Marshall on BS who also is very perceptive.

Me

[Me.]

39. ...

[JCanete]

22. what? give me a break. People have a range of opinions. And there are more valid ones than ours.

Credibility is lost when you just want every panel to sound like you already want it to sound. What the fuck is the point of that?

[still_one]

37. Let's have David Duke lecture us on Civil Rights

[yardwork]

43. Fair and balanced. /nt

[JCanete]

48. Right...exactly the same thing...nailed it. nt

[sheshe2]

59. Opinions like Cornell Wests?

JCanete

22. what? give me a break. People have a range of opinions. And there are more valid ones than ours.

He called Obama a field negro and a Republican in black face. That is NOT a valid opinion.

Credibility is lost when you just want every panel to sound like you already want it to sound. What the fuck is the point of that?

This part? Not even going to comment.

[JCanete]

60. Yes, opinion like Cornel West's, etc. Not everything anybody says is ever

invalidated for the worst thing or stupidest thing they've ever said. Many of us here at DU should be thankful of that.

[sheshe2]

62. Done.

Nite.

[lapucelle]

63. West endorsed and campaigned for Jill Stein.

He is no friend of Democrats. He should take responsibility and apologize.

[Ciaphas Cain]

28. Oh boy!

Don't worry about Cenk. He's going to be getting his own YouTube channel soon where he can talk about whatever he wants.

[Cha]

29. Josh Marshall on BS..

Link to tweet

[brush]

46. Someone pls give me a stronger hint or link or something? I want to know who was there.

[Cha]

47. Hi brush..

just google "the gathering"/BS not "The Gathering" the 2003 horror film starring Christina Ricci.

It should mention who all was there.. I've just seen it on Twitter from the tweets who are not impressed by cenk, SS, cornel west etc..

[brush]

49. Thanks, Cha.

[still_one]

50. The 2003 flick might be more interesting though

[Cha]

54. More reality

based.

[Me.]

30. I Quite Agree

and question their real and actual regard for this country as well as their honesty regarding their concern for the well being of its citizens. So she thinks things would be worse under HRC? They might as well be Republicans. And anyone who hosts an event such as this and thinks they can run under the DEm banner for anything in the future will find that what you reap you will sow.

[yardwork]

33. Depends on the purpose of the gathering.

If the purpose is to disrupt American democracy and ensure that the Republicans stay in power, it's on target.

[still_one]

34. Good point.

[SidDithers]

38. Unless the gathering had no credibility to begin with...nt

Sid

[Cha]

41. Exactly.

[Cha]

40. "..it's crystal clear it was programmed with the idea Democrats would blow the midterms."

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

42. They must be so disappointed.

Damn. Well, the show must go on.

[Cha]

45. Yeah, too bad for them and Great for our Country

and the Planet that The Democratic Party BLUE WAVE garnered 60 Million Votes and Flipped 40 red seats to Blue or was it 42?!

yardwork

[sheshe2]

78. Woah Woah Woah....

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This!!!!

Even as Democrats won back the House of Representatives last month, some high-profile left-wing candidates fell short, a dynamic Sanders struggled with; he opened the weekend conference by saying the party could have done better. For the senator and his supporters, it was clear that Democrats had squandered power when they last held it, leading to a surge of right-wing nationalism.

To avoid a repeat, the left needed to organize — preferably, many here believe, with Sanders in the White House.

“Neoliberal establishments are collapsing, not just here, but around the world,” said Cornel West, a crusading academic who endorsed Sanders in 2016 and backed the Green Party’s campaign when Sanders lost the primary. “The only thing presented [to people] that has some credibility is vicious, authoritarianism fascism. If we don’t have a left populism that’s credible, we’re running down a fascist road.”


West, who has encouraged Sanders to run as a third-party candidate, said in an interview that the senator looked to be committed to his work inside the Democratic Party. And even at the conference, an invitation-only affair for around 250 people, there was speculation that another candidate could pick up Sanders’s banner in 2020.

More https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/bernie-sanders-turns-focus-to-the-white-house-and-the-world/2018/12/01/dc01f7ae-f4f1-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html?utm_term=.df24d03cedd1

Hmmm...Cornel talks a lot about third party after he voted for Stein. Encourages Bernie to run as one. West is no Democrat and should NOT try to influence Sanders to run as one. Bernie says he will not.

[Cha]

79. cornel west is full of Gaslit, Hateful, Fearmongering Shite..

past his eyeballs, she.

“The only thing presented [to people] that has some credibility is vicious, authoritarianism fascism. If we don’t have a left populism that’s credible, we’re running down a fascist road.”

They're so Jealous of Real Dems Winning in the Big Blue Beautiful Wave!

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

81. That is all I can think of from West.

It is hate and in fact jealousy as well. There was an issue with inauguration tickets as well. Late and am not looking up details...gotta go.

hug

[Cha]

83. P.S

I added "Gaslit" to cornel's description.. if ever there was a perfect word for him.

It is late for you! I know all about the inauguration tickets that didn't happen for cornel and could never get over.

SweetDreams!

[sheshe2]

84. Ha!

That bed looks great and that's where I am going.

[Cha]

85. Doesn't it! I'll

be looking forward to it in a few hours.

[lapucelle]

51. The AP described a it as a "pep rally" rather than as an event to be taken seriously. N/T

[sheshe2]

53. Lol

lapucelle

51. The AP described a it as a "pep rally" rather than as an event to be taken seriously.

I remember those well in high school.

[Cha]

55. Then the AP was

being realistic.

[JCanete]

86. Well shit...someobdy at the AP has spoken...why should anybody take that opinion seriously? nt

[betsuni]

87. "People have a range of opinions."

Not true anymore?

[JCanete]

88. still true...but there's details and then there's just you repeating the circle jerk stuff.

You didn't even name the person....just somebody at AP, so that's newsworthy why, worth repeating why? Like the significant issues being discussed are discussed sooo much in the course of everyday conversation and policy matters that we should belittle them where they are being broached?

If Sanders and the people who were assembled at this thing reach an audience that others don't, and they are talking about issues that the AP woefully underreports on, just my personal opinion here, but fuck that reporter at the AP, if the objective is really to downplay such conversations.

[betsuni]

89. Fake news!1111!!!

[JCanete]

90. That's an embarassing comeback. Do you want to explain to me just how upstanding the news

was leading up to Trump's Presidency? You want to explain to me how they did a stellar job and didn't drop the ball? Do you really want to have this conversation, or do you just want to try to be snarky?

[betsuni]

91. What does "upstanding the news" mean?

[JCanete]

92. I don't know....you are the one that broke up that sentance. "how upstanding the news was" is what

I typed.

[betsuni]

94. Still don't know what "upstanding the news" means.

And "circle jerk" is vulgar.

[JCanete]

95. I take that as you'd rather just stick to the snarks rather than any content. nt

[betsuni]

96. "stick to the snarks"

Am I supposed to get mad?

[lapucelle]

97. Both ABC News and US News and World Report carried the "pep rally" story. N/T

[Gothmog]

52. Some local civil rights leaders were also upset with this event

Link to tweet

[Cha]

56. Looks like BS missed an opportunity..

after all one of Steffen Gillom's hero's is cornel west! lol the Whiny President Obama hater. So many real Dems can't stomach that jill stein promoter.

[Caliman73]

74. Race has been Bernie's Achilles heel.

How to do have a summit on racial equality with one African American speaker, who has been called out by other African-American activists for his antics. No LGBT speakers, No Latinos, No Asians. I supported Bernie in the primary in 2016 but he had a huge blind spot on racial justice back then. He is more vocal about it now, but then he has a gathering on racial justice without the racial representation. The blind spot is still there.

[Cha]

76. Glaringly so. Thanks, Caliman.

[betsuni]

64. "I thought progressive politics was about lifting the voices of common people.

It seemed that this progressive event had forgotten its roots, the people of Vermont."

Seems like The Gathering is accused of being too establishment and elitist.

[sheshe2]

72. Yikes!

[Gothmog]

75. This event was evidently poorly planned

[Cha]

77. Good points, betsuni! Imagine that.. his

epithets thrown at the Democratic Party have boomeranged.

[JCanete]

80. yeah, by people missing the real point of establishment and elitist, which is that it

tends to work FOR the people in the establishment. Hearing from people who are popular and have visibility is about disseminating the message about that very problem, not about working FOR the financial coffers of these speakers. But I know, whatever you guys can try to make stick. It was first, "...ONLY white people at this event??? Say it aint so!!!!" but I guess that was a big nothing burger, so now its..."No local Vermonters are on the speaking list?, say it aint so!"

[betsuni]

82. What is the point of calling Democrats establishment elites?

[Cha]

98. Yeah, they should look in the mirror.

[Cha]

58. BTW, was at a holiday house party filled with suburban Democrats last night

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

61. I wonder how many books sanders sold at this event?

[betsuni]

65. K&R

[JI7]

68. the gathering was always about promoting Sanders

the Sanders institute pays money to the sanders kids and is about promoting him.

[Cha]

99. This is hilarious. Was there some kind of #GetBeto memo this week?

Link to tweet

[Cha]

100. Charles Pierce Tweet on The Gathering and Beto..

Link to tweet