Trump's lawyers and Fox News preparing a dementia-defense for Trump. (Seriously.)

[DetlefK]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211496337

Here his lawyers argue that Trump's tweets don't count as evidence because he doesn't know what he's talking about.



And here Fox News argues that Trump technically isn't lying because his memory simply changes with time.

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/11/30/fox-host-trumps-lawyer-didnt-want-him-meeting-mueller-because-his-memory-sort-changes-time/222202

FAULKER: Would that make the president not telling the truth be not telling the truth now?

MONTGOMERY: I don't know, man. I think that some of this is fluid for him. And I think, you know, his memory sort of changes with time, and that's one of the reasons his lawyers didn't want him sitting down with special counsel. But, in his defense -- and I really believe this -- he thought he wasn't going to win. ...

His own defenders are arguing that the President of the United States doesn't know what he's talking about and that he no longer has a functioning memory.

His defenders!

25th Amendment anyone?

[TEB]

1. No way

[ProudLib72]

9. Material for the game show, TEB. Simply more material for the game show

Except it's to the point now that I don't think the audience would laugh.

[TEB]

15. Your correct

I’m as we all so tired of this shit thanks for calming me down friend

[brush]

32. FOX is so pathetic. They're still trying to defend this traitor/crook. Any deal to...

ease trump out, and it finally seems like it's inevitable, should include shutting down FOX.

[TheBlackAdder]

54. If he has access to the nukes, he's not demented. They would 5250 his ass in seconds.

[Solly Mack]

2. Fart noises

That would be an easy out and Trump does not deserve an easy out.

What he deserves is prison.

Just once I'd like to see actual justice served to a criminal president.

[2naSalit]

23. You and me both...nt

[Solly Mack]

40. And I am so tired of the bullshit talk of "healing" which only means

the guilty walks free, nothing changes and we are, once again, left vulnerable to another wannabe tyrant.

And if it's not the healing claptrap, it's the there is always something more important than holding a criminal president accountable. As if justice and change can't both be had.

Which only results in the guilty walking free, nothing changing, and we are - once again - left vulnerable to another wannabe tyrant.

[certainot]

31. speed is critical - jail, total humiliation would be good - be we have to get the cons out ASAP to

deal with global warming seriously

not to mention imprisoned children, butchered journalists, etc.

[SunSeeker]

3. Anyone with an R after their name is complicit.

[Kaleva]

13. along with any liberal who voted 3rd party or didn't vote at all in 2016

[erronis]

43. While I understand the sentiment, that seems like a very fine scalpel to wield/nt

[Iliyah]

4. He shouldn't be in the White House, right?

I read here that the DOJ is doing something similar.

[ooky]

8. Exactly

So if that is his defense then get the 25th amendment ready.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. Erm, isn't mental instability a cause for removal?

Don’t take the shovel from them!

[nolabear]

14. Right? They're doing great!

[Scarsdale]

20. They covered for St. Ronnie.

Maybe Putin would not allow them to cover for this failure? He has not pleased Vlad at all.

[marylandblue]

6. Nah, they are just normalizing his insanity and working around it

It's like when one of those mad medieval kings. Nobody comes out and says it, they just all know the truth, work around it, and wait for the king to die.

[Blue Owl]

7. If he weren't getting busted it would be a non-issue

n/t

[shanny]

10. that should go over well with donnie boy

otoh there is no lie he isn't prepared to tell to duck responsibility for...anything

otooh he wasn't declared incompetent prior to tweeting like a madman so good luck with that

[UniteFightBack]

11. The more the truth comes out the less fake faux will be able to defend him. Seriously, they've

been able to put out whatever ridiculous story lines they want....none of it has been coherent and it's been a disjointed mess. As the truth is exposed these absurd accusations made by rump and supported by faux is and will fall apart.

It's only a matter of time now.

[duforsure]

12. He may already have a fraud Dr. claiming he has dementia.

To use as his defense.

[dlk]

16. Good Luck With That-As Long as Trump is Coherent Enough to Know Right From Wrong, He's Culpable

Granted, Trump has serious mental health issues. However, it is highly doubtful a dementia defense would ever make any headway in the courts.

[erronis]

45. You're right. We've jailed and executed plenty of people that have a better excuse than cheeto.

If we allow the diagnosis of narcissism or pathological lying or psychopathy to be defenses against criminality in court, then most charges can be dropped.

If we did, I'm sure we'd still keep charges such as "trying to feed my family" or "running away from cop (while black)".

[bringthePaine]

17. um, soooooooooo

I’m still a little unclear as to which side they come down on cuz,
I mean, now we gotta separate stupid from dementia from dumbass
from psycho from sicko from felonious shitbucket from inbred white
tiny-hands-syndrome to oh-you-get-the-idea WTF deferment-monkey
BS-ad-infinitum crazitude, in modo perpetuam

[trev]

30. yes

I think the GOP is working on a defense position, not for Trump himself, but for their party's complicity. Saint Ronnie was definitely demented, yet the Republicans worship him to this day. This demonstrates that mental capacity is not important to them. In fact, maybe they prefer incapacity. Easier to control the puppet.

After the mid-terms, they are desperate to maintain power and avoid indictment. I wouldn't be surprised if they threw Trump under the bus to accomplish this.

[Eliot Rosewater]

48. They are going to bomb Iran, get a few hundred thousand Americans and others to die

so we wont pay attention to justice.

watch

[trev]

49. It seems

that is a direction in which they're moving.

[global1]

18. Mueller Must Have Trump Dead To Rights Because There Is No Way.....

Trump would cop to dementia if he was not going down.

[bora13]

19. it must be "meower" time.

[link:|]

[RockRaven]

21. He has a 40+ year old record of being an inveterate liar. Occam's razor says he's merely lying,

not lying AND having dementia.

[Roy Rolling]

39. Medical Science

Everyone's memory declines over time, they usually become less vocal. Trump's just a liar, and now he's a loudmouth liar where everyone can see him.

Being old is not the cause, being an asshole is.

[NCjack]

22. Next, this dementia claim also cover his children, Michael Cohen, accountant, etc.

[keithbvadu2]

24. TRUMP: I have 'one of the great memories of all-time'

TRUMP: I have 'one of the great memories of all-time'

[alwaysinasnit]

25. The corollary to this is that any pardon he makes now (given his apparent non compos mentis) should

be invalid, don't you think?

[bluestarone]

26. Even if this was true that would mean that

REPUGS in congress ALSO had dementia for last two years!!! (THEY supported everything he wanted)

[defacto7]

41. This!

[Marthe48]

27. Honesty is the best policy

But insanity is the best defense (Dietrich on Barney Miller)

[empedocles]

28. Legal insanity has a high bar to get over.

[enid602]

29. Dementia. . .

And then he’ll manage to miraculously recover in time to sign a TV deal. I have a feeling his time in the golf, hotel and condo businesses has passed.

[NCjack]

33. Trump is going for Mafia boss Gigante's dementia defense. nt

[SergeStorms]

34. If his memory and mind are that messed up...

then they should 25 45. He's mentally unfit to be "president".

[global1]

53. Now There's A Great T-Shirt & Bumper Sticker.....

"25 45"

[paleotn]

35. So.....we have a pResident with dementia?

Sounds like time for the 25th amendment. Can't have it both ways, you fucking morons.

[onetexan]

36. Then why does he remember "No collusion"?!?!

[Roy Rolling]

37. Hilarious!

Was that on SNL last night? Perfect!

[Enoki33]

38. Funny how all his lies are so consistently expressed as praises / excuses in one form

or another for a ‘great leader’ with ‘the greatest memory’. The dementia defense basket is as porous as a sieve. Instead he may well do something very dangerous for the world in an attempt to save himself.

[defacto7]

42. So what's the problem?

A few hours at Walter Reed, an MRI, and we'll know. Won't happen.

[libdem4life]

44. Well, a lot of maladies can come from/evolve out of pathological narciccisism.

I'm not a shrink, but I can read and I can observe and I have direct experience...unfortunately.

Whatever is in their mind at the time is an absolute truth...regardless of what they said 10 minutes ago. They totally, 100% believe it in their shriveled psyches. You can show them a video or play a recording and it will make NO DIFFERENCE because it does not compose with their current reality. That is all they have. There is zero accountabiity. You will be personally attacked and shredded...then accused of being hysterical/lying/out to get them, etc. Think of it as stream of conscious thinking/believing reacting to every slight and having the physical capacity/money/influence/flunkies to carry it out.

Is it dementia? Sometimes. Is it sociopathy? Sometimes. It is whatever it is At. That. Moment. There is no cure...it is baked into the psyche usually by a traumatic childhood.

Just imagine if someone like that ran our .... oh yeah, one does.

[sunonmars]

46. I reckon a "diagnosis" of dementia will eventually be his get out of jail free card.

Its coming, when he's about to go down, we'll get a resignation and a dementia diagnosis.

[Laffy Kat]

47. Didn't his White House physician certify him to be mentally an physically fit not long ago?

Said he tested his memory and he did fine. Paraphrasing here, 'great shape for a man his age; good genes, yada..yada..yada'.

[unblock]

50. His defense was that the plan was to lose?

[Gothmog]

51. Juanita Jean thinks that trump is setting up an insanity defense

http://juanitajean.com/building-an-insanity-defense/

[dawg day]

52. "But, in his defense -- and I really believe this -- he thought he wasn't going to win"

So.... he can break the law because he thought he wouldn't win? He can lie?

I don't think they're really clear on what they want to say.