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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:16 PM Aug 2012

Scientists Discovered Why It's So Easy To Scam Old People

Forget being lonely or too patriotic—the real reason it's so easy to scam old people is that they become more gullible with age.

That's according to researchers at the University of Iowa, who studied a part of our brains that controls belief and doubt called the ventromedial prefrontal cortex (via ScienceDaily).

The softball-sized area sits in our heads above the eyes and deteriorates rapidly with age, making it harder to spot a scam, even it's an obvious one.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-its-so-easy-to-scam-old-people-2012-8

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Scientists Discovered Why It's So Easy To Scam Old People (Original Post) FarCenter Aug 2012 OP
Although I never H2O Man Aug 2012 #1
! eppur_se_muova Aug 2012 #23
ahahaha hahahaa ahhahaa Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #31
I am, by far, H2O Man Aug 2012 #42
So, should we make it a crime against the elderly for them to be subjected to Republicans spin? Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #2
The Fox effect is what they need to examine! flamingdem Aug 2012 #4
My mom sharp as a tack, too. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #16
This is a very real issue if seniors are easily convinced by hate radio and Fox flamingdem Aug 2012 #26
Father has blown through thousands Rambis Aug 2012 #3
not me, man hollysmom Aug 2012 #5
I'm already there at seventy-two. Cleita Aug 2012 #13
Same here. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #22
Same here also. RebelOne Aug 2012 #29
oh, so true hollysmom Aug 2012 #32
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2012 #38
Lots of scammers/spammers go after the elderly for just that reason. nc4bo Aug 2012 #6
That's clearly not true of all old people cali Aug 2012 #7
NO observation of likelihood is true of all X jberryhill Aug 2012 #8
"Oh, it's not a scam." Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2012 #9
republicans have known this for years.... unblock Aug 2012 #10
Science studies are a scam.... just trust in your church and god. Ichingcarpenter Aug 2012 #11
I always thought old people who are easy to scam were also easy to scam when they were younger, too. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #12
That's been my experience. Limited intellect doesn't magically disappear with the passage of time. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #14
Even dimbulbs get suspicious after getting scammed a few times. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #17
"limited intellect"? Really? nc4bo Aug 2012 #30
More likely those fortunate ones just never realized it when they were conned. Like buying a new car Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #36
So, so true. nc4bo Aug 2012 #37
Bingo! nt valerief Aug 2012 #18
My aged skeptometer doubts the verity of this research. nt valerief Aug 2012 #15
Does that mean in a few years I'm going to actually open mail trackfan Aug 2012 #19
That's funny, coz all the seniors where I live ran Verizon off the property graywarrior Aug 2012 #20
Those were Mormon missionaries they ran off. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #21
Hahahahaha! graywarrior Aug 2012 #24
"You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on" AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #25
ha! n/t flamingdem Aug 2012 #27
I don't believe this study for a second Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #28
i doubt it. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #33
Then why do scammers make so damn sure........... aquart Aug 2012 #34
Interesting to contrast this with another story from 6 years ago Trillo Aug 2012 #35
If anything, as I age I am getting MORE cautious! CTyankee Aug 2012 #39
Now they should try to discover why teenagers can be so easily scammed. lumpy Aug 2012 #40
Hmmm....my 92 year old great uncle is still really sharp and isn't fooled by anyone. Avalux Aug 2012 #41

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
2. So, should we make it a crime against the elderly for them to be subjected to Republicans spin?
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:19 PM
Aug 2012

Oh, and hate radio. Definitely hate radio should be considered a crime against the elderly.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
4. The Fox effect is what they need to examine!
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:23 PM
Aug 2012

my parental units are perfectly suspicious of scams .. moreso as they age.

The implication here is ageist.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
16. My mom sharp as a tack, too.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

More so now than she was when I was a kid, actually.

However, since there is specific legislation protecting the elderly from scammers, I'm not sure it's ageist to say some are more susceptible. Financial crimes against the elderly are a very real, and growing problem.

In my personal experience it's a bit like dementia. Some elderly are not effected, while others are.

The only reason I mentioned the spin and hate radio, is because I know person who recently had to take over her mother's financial accounts. Her mother was donating money she couldn't afford, time and time again, to specific politicians. She told me her mother was influenced by the radio programs she listens to everyday. Her mother believed the world as we know it was about to end if things weren't changed in this election. Which in all fairness doesn't even mean it was hate radio, it could have been commercials for all I know. I made that assumption, and I honestly don't have any grounds to have done so.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
26. This is a very real issue if seniors are easily convinced by hate radio and Fox
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:30 PM
Aug 2012

to donate, especially if those asking understand senior vulnerabilities.

The study could be useful if more research was conducted in that area.

Rambis

(7,774 posts)
3. Father has blown through thousands
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:20 PM
Aug 2012

fake ministries, scam vets groups and bloody publishers clearinghouse ought to be sued!

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
22. Same here.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:19 PM
Aug 2012

I don't think my general attitudes are going to soften with age. My bullshit detector is pretty much age-proof.

I can't imagine being so gullible as to fall for some of the stuff that some seniors fall for -- like going to the bank and withdrawing one's life savings because two guys in suits show up at their door and tell them to do so.



RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
29. Same here also.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:33 PM
Aug 2012

I am 73 and I think we become wiser the older we get.

If I was as gullible as those scientists say we are, I would be losing thousands to all those Nigerian e-mails I get.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
32. oh, so true
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

I play games (sorry) and one of my fellow gamers got a PM from a man who's father was dying in Nigeria - and she felt she had to help him to be a good Christian - it took me hours to talk her out of it, if she was not just pulling my leg, and I don't think she was. They are out there, they are just not me.

I will admit finally allowing some workmen to take advantage of me, just to get some work done. Like paying about 500 too much to get my stairs repaired after I negotiated a good amount and the workmen never showed, probably got more money. These guys showed up the next day did an excellent job and got paid real quick,just happy to have it done! I am cutting back on my negotiating for lower amounts.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
6. Lots of scammers/spammers go after the elderly for just that reason.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:26 PM
Aug 2012

Phone, emails, those "odd" mailings that come in via USPS asking for bank account #'s, checking account #'s, credit card #'s, social security numbers, shady businesses offering warranties or extended warranties - love older folks.

I always keep a close eye on my mom or anyone wanting info from my mother just for that reason.

Republicans also know this as does Fox News.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. That's clearly not true of all old people
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:29 PM
Aug 2012

Good luck trying to scam my battle axe 93 year old grand dame mother.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. NO observation of likelihood is true of all X
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:39 PM
Aug 2012

Does this even need to be pointed out?

People don't wear seatbelts and survive auto accidents.

People have unprotected sex, and don't get STD's.

People smoke cigarettes into their 90's and don't get lung disease.

The fact of the matter is that there are scammers who make it their business to target older people. Do they successfully scam every old person they encounter? No. But there is a reason why they prefer older people, and it is because their hit rate is higher across the population.
 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
9. "Oh, it's not a scam."
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:44 PM
Aug 2012

"What you do is, see, you give them all your credit card numbers, and if one of them is lucky, you win a prize!"

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. Science studies are a scam.... just trust in your church and god.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
Aug 2012

all others pay cash.

Now get off my lawn I have to answer this Nigerian e-mail and my republican newsletter.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
12. I always thought old people who are easy to scam were also easy to scam when they were younger, too.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
Aug 2012

My Grandma used to say "Old fools were usually born fools".

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
14. That's been my experience. Limited intellect doesn't magically disappear with the passage of time.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:03 PM
Aug 2012

It can be overcome, but it's hard and most people don't do hard voluntarily.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
17. Even dimbulbs get suspicious after getting scammed a few times.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

Hard to learn that way, but, still better than never learning at all, I suppose.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
30. "limited intellect"? Really?
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
Aug 2012

It doesn't all have to be due to "limited intellect". Some people are naturally more trusting than others. They could be the fortunate ones who've never had a bad experience with a conman or rip-off artist.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
36. More likely those fortunate ones just never realized it when they were conned. Like buying a new car
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:31 PM
Aug 2012

the dealership makes all that money by convincing the gullible that they got a deal. Everybody that bought a new car that isn't related or a good friend of the owner, or who works for the manufacturer, paid more than they had to. But ask any of them and they will tell you what a great deal they got and then go into how they brilliantly forced the sales manager to surrender the car at below cost (and left them crying in the showroom).

Yeah, these guys make millions doing this all day every day year after year, but your negotiating skills were such that they just crumbled.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
37. So, so true.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Aug 2012

Good friend of ours sold used cars for a living and invited dh to go with him the the auction one day and shock and awe doesn't do it justice. So I know what you mean, biggest rip off ever, if you're not a dealer or buds with them.

trackfan

(3,650 posts)
19. Does that mean in a few years I'm going to actually open mail
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

that comes in an envelope saying "OPEN IMMEDIATELY: IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS ENCLOSED"?

Did you ever notice that junk ads and scams always come in an envelope like that - often with a logo that makes it look vaguely like it's a government document - an eagle or something, usually; but when you get a check, it comes in a junky looking envelope that you might just throw out because it looks so unimportant.

graywarrior

(59,440 posts)
20. That's funny, coz all the seniors where I live ran Verizon off the property
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:15 PM
Aug 2012

because their sales people were quoting different prices to everyone.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
34. Then why do scammers make so damn sure...........
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:07 PM
Aug 2012

That they know when the old soul is going to be in Florida or in the hospital? Because they want to make sure the mail showing, say, the stock churning, is going to the address where the victim isn't.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
35. Interesting to contrast this with another story from 6 years ago
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012
Life's Harsh Lessons 'Make You More Gullible

Could a synthesis of these two explain so many of our "civilizations" problems?

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
39. If anything, as I age I am getting MORE cautious!
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:42 PM
Aug 2012

I procrastinate on making some decisions I should have made more quickly because of my caution. I am less likely to take a chance on something that sounds good. I fear the odd quirks of fate more than I do actually being scammed.

It takes a LOT to convince me to do something new or different, because I fear everything that "could go wrong"...

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
40. Now they should try to discover why teenagers can be so easily scammed.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:43 PM
Aug 2012

Or for that matter over 20/30/50 year olds.
Love these scientific investigations.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
41. Hmmm....my 92 year old great uncle is still really sharp and isn't fooled by anyone.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:52 PM
Aug 2012

He must have been really bad when he was young!!

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