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TheBlackAdder

(28,168 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:57 AM Dec 2018

John Chau's Death on Northern Sentinel Island: Martyr or "American Dickhead"?

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This is a very interesting article, and it appears as though his move was sanctioned by multiple Evangelical groups in the United States, all failing to comprehend the potential ramifications of this action.



Martyr or “American Dickhead”?

Earlier this month, a 26-year-old Christian missionary named John Allen Chau was killed on a remote Indian island in strikingly similar circumstances as the men in Ecuador. Chau dreamed of converting the members of an isolated tribe on the North Sentinel Island, who are known to aggressively resist contact from outsiders. He attempted to prepare to do so, but he didn’t speak the language. At one point, he wrote to his mother, he approached a group of North Sentinelese from the water and “hollered: ‘My name is John, I love you and Jesus loves you.’ ” Chau was killed, apparently by bows and arrows, the next day on the beach.

The public reaction to Chau’s death has been much different than the response to the men in Ecuador 60 years ago. Mainstream media outlets have published opinion pieces accusing Chau of “cultural imperialism and insane arrogance,” for example; on social media, he’s been called an “asshole,” a “failed colonizer,” and an “American dickhead.” Many critics pointed out that Chau’s expedition was a violation of Indian law, which forbids outsiders to even approach the island. It was also an epidemiological risk to the North Sentinelese, who have not built up immunity to many common illnesses including the flu. And even if the North Sentinelese were not harmed by new germs, contact with outsiders could irreparably alter their lives and culture.

In traveling to an “unreached” people group, Chau was acting out one of evangelical Christianity’s highest imperatives—and most cherished narratives. “There’s a sense in evangelical and missionary circles that one of the highest things you can do is take the Gospel to a group who has never heard it,” said historian Kathryn Long, the author of a forthcoming book about the 1956 mission in Ecuador. For many evangelicals, this is the most dramatic version of fulfilling Jesus’ “Great Commission,” in which he told his followers to “go and make disciples of all nations.”

Intriguingly, however, even Christians have not hailed Chau as a clear-cut hero of the faith. “Chau’s stunt not only had absolutely no chance of success, it also stood to bring sickness and death to this tribe,” the conservative Christian writer Rod Dreher wrote last week. “How could any Christian justify this?” Dreher was among those pointing out that Chau’s death has prompted a regional backlash that could make life harder for the minority population of Christians in India, not to mention Christian aid workers and long-term missionaries there.



Hop over and read this article, and see why there is even Christian backlash. It's quite interesting.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/12/john-allen-chau-missionary-death-christian-north-sentinel-island.html

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John Chau's Death on Northern Sentinel Island: Martyr or "American Dickhead"? (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 OP
Dickhead!! Soxfan58 Dec 2018 #1
Hard to feel sorry for a person whose mission is spreading nonsense. olegramps Dec 2018 #23
But not just that. Also spreading deadly diseases these people have no immunity to. Squinch Dec 2018 #53
That would involve science Soxfan58 Dec 2018 #99
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #65
Dickhead!! mitch96 Dec 2018 #98
Dickhead has my vote. shanny Dec 2018 #2
I ought to post this on the back door for the Jehovah's Witnesses. Vinca Dec 2018 #3
wasnt it illegal to even go onto that island? so American Dickhead samnsara Dec 2018 #4
For most. Strangely, less than 2 months before the government Hortensis Dec 2018 #15
'Permit access?' PatrickforO Dec 2018 #48
No, not incapable. They mostly have been, but Hortensis Dec 2018 #54
yes. He bribed an owner of a vessel to take him close enough to the island that he could complete dameatball Dec 2018 #34
I prefer the Mexican term - Cool Arrow nt Xipe Totec Dec 2018 #5
I see what you did there.... Caliman73 Dec 2018 #72
Arrogant spiritual imperialists generally go awry Achilleaze Dec 2018 #6
I'll take "American Dickhead" for $1,000, Alex . . . . hatrack Dec 2018 #7
They're all dickheads. sinkingfeeling Dec 2018 #8
Brainwashed young man get the red out Dec 2018 #9
Deadly sincere dickhead. Hortensis Dec 2018 #10
Thanks for the picture. delisen Dec 2018 #33
D.H. (n/t) NeoGreen Dec 2018 #11
True American DICKHEAD. 2naSalit Dec 2018 #12
reading the article, I do not think he was totally devoid of concern treestar Dec 2018 #18
fundy idiot Demonaut Dec 2018 #13
He got what he deserved. Siwsan Dec 2018 #14
Major Evangelical Dickhead YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #16
Dead Dickhead Racerdog1 Dec 2018 #17
Arrogant dead idiot rusty fender Dec 2018 #19
That's not fair. progressoid Dec 2018 #20
+1 dalton99a Dec 2018 #25
But this one was potentially deadly. I suppose he did not care about their lack of immunity lunasun Dec 2018 #61
I'm firmly in the "Dickhead" camp. MineralMan Dec 2018 #21
Dickhead gilligan Dec 2018 #22
I think he was naively stupid NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #24
Sounds like the people from his church encouraged this "mission" Merlot Dec 2018 #56
if that's the case NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #63
The two are not mutually exclusive. n/t malthaussen Dec 2018 #26
High on religion. Tikki Dec 2018 #27
I think he gets the "Dumbass of the year" award easily! Initech Dec 2018 #28
American Dickhead! nt jrthin Dec 2018 #29
missionary pamdb Dec 2018 #30
Dickhead who paid for his hubris. Thomas Hurt Dec 2018 #31
Dickhead Nuffer Dec 2018 #32
Matthew 10:14 Turbineguy Dec 2018 #35
. Soxfan58 Dec 2018 #102
No doubts atreides1 Dec 2018 #36
Religiously brainwashed dickhead...nt SidDithers Dec 2018 #37
If he wasn't religiously zealous, he'd be something Hortensis Dec 2018 #46
darwin award and obvious dickhead dembotoz Dec 2018 #38
His 15 minutes should have been up yesterday nycbos Dec 2018 #39
I love a story w/a happy ending Botany Dec 2018 #40
I do not consider his death a happy ending. He should not have gone, but the posts here are Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #45
so, you deny him his religious beliefs? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #92
That is not how it works... Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #104
Clear Front-Runner for the Darwin Awards hueymahl Dec 2018 #41
Add self righteous, delusional arrogance to his act of unwarranted aggression procon Dec 2018 #42
Christian Dickhead. stopbush Dec 2018 #43
What struck me was these evangelicals PatrickforO Dec 2018 #44
Darwin Award. backscatter712 Dec 2018 #47
I think he had delusions of grandeur LeftInTX Dec 2018 #49
+1. Ironically his father is a psychiatrist dalton99a Dec 2018 #55
Apparently, his father went to Oral Roberts University too. He doesn't score well in HealthGrades. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #96
I want the movie rights so I can make a faith based docudrama. 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #50
Have him stepping out of the boat trying to walk on water. gordianot Dec 2018 #52
Tebow will be too busy kneeling for the camera. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #66
Michael Rockefeller was treated differently. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #51
Christian missionary witnesses for Jesus. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #57
He was a criminal who broke the law IronLionZion Dec 2018 #58
Actually, that isn't a good enough reason to call him a "dickhead", IMO, given that LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #82
Plenty of Trump supporters say that about us IronLionZion Dec 2018 #94
The one true religion... keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #59
How about neither? whathehell Dec 2018 #60
Darwun? Is that a new category? ChubbyStar Dec 2018 #67
Dickhead. the_sly_pig Dec 2018 #62
Dickhead n/t geardaddy Dec 2018 #64
Dickhead kimbutgar Dec 2018 #68
I vote for dickhead shanti Dec 2018 #69
I couldn't be more indifferent about that man's death... tenderfoot Dec 2018 #70
What's wrong with altering their culture MichMary Dec 2018 #71
There is too much distance between them and the modern world n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #75
Perhaps a question of consent? uriel1972 Dec 2018 #76
Maybe, if they knew there was a choice, MichMary Dec 2018 #85
Yeah, that was pretty much the attitude of the United States as it moved West in the 1800s LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #77
They don't know there is MichMary Dec 2018 #86
They have seen boats and clothing more advanced than theirs, and they have rejected them LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #91
The Prime Directive Tarc Dec 2018 #78
What is wrong with their culture being Bettie Dec 2018 #100
Would you be okay with me changing your culture? DetlefK Dec 2018 #101
If your attempts are not coercive treestar Dec 2018 #106
Your thinking is more stone age than their culture tenderfoot Dec 2018 #105
Agree 100%. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #107
I am sorry that this very young man died. colorado_ufo Dec 2018 #73
Dickhead Bev54 Dec 2018 #74
He was no worse than other missionaries. frogmarch Dec 2018 #79
Honestly, I liken it to that moron who died in an abandoned bus in Alaska years ago Tarc Dec 2018 #80
. jberryhill Dec 2018 #81
The real villians in this play are the evangelicals that sent him out there... pecosbob Dec 2018 #83
My vote is for American dickhead. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #84
dickhead gopiscrap Dec 2018 #87
Stupid Dickhead. nt PufPuf23 Dec 2018 #88
Suicide Mission: Successful Iggo Dec 2018 #89
To approach people who do not welcome outsiders, while shouting... 3catwoman3 Dec 2018 #90
Not a dickhead, not a martyr. Just a useful idiot, evangelical cannon-fodder. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #93
religious dumbass. pansypoo53219 Dec 2018 #95
He was very sincere. Sincerely wrong. Hekate Dec 2018 #97
"...could make life harder for...long-term missionaries there." GOOD. Neema Dec 2018 #103
Cult Member peggysue2 Dec 2018 #108

Squinch

(50,919 posts)
53. But not just that. Also spreading deadly diseases these people have no immunity to.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:27 AM
Dec 2018

He had to know that his presence, if it was tolerated, would have wiped them out. Its what happens when these tribes come into contact with the rest of us.

This was attempted mass murder.

Response to olegramps (Reply #23)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. For most. Strangely, less than 2 months before the government
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:49 AM
Dec 2018

had actually instituted a limited permit system for visitors. Chau did not have one, and it seems unlikely the locals would have honored it anyway. The wisdom and morality of allowing permit access for tourists is being questioned.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
48. 'Permit access?'
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:20 AM
Dec 2018

Sigh.

Seems like this tribe would best be left alone, but we just are incapable of that, aren't we?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. No, not incapable. They mostly have been, but
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:32 AM
Dec 2018

the issues, moral and practical, of leaving them completely alone, are complex, as experts who care about them agree. Most westerners believe in freedom, but freedom requires choice and opportunity. I was appalled by the notion of tourist visas also, but the source didn't say what kind of people would actually be able to get one. Note, though, there are only an estimated 50 people here, and those involved, who care about their wellbeing, know that some day life may become very grim for the last of them if they have no choices.

From some interviews about this particular event:

John Bodley, an anthropologist at Washington State University: “There is no question that this attempt to make contact was totally wrong and a major violation of their human rights to autonomy,” he said. “Outsiders need to respect their wishes and treat them with dignity as fellow human beings. Respect means we don’t assume to know better how they should live.”


Kim Hill, an anthropologist at Arizona State University, ... said that it’s “unwise and inhumane to forcibly keep these groups isolated by building protective fences around them.” ... Contact may be dangerous, but so is no contact. Second, some type of encounter with an outsider is inevitable, Hill said, and “accidental contact is a disaster waiting to happen.” ... Hill’s solution is to learn what the islanders want so that they can make the decision about their future. “Humans are an extremely social species,” he said. “No groups want to live isolated forever. They do it out of fear.”


...one of the few people who have actually set foot on North Sentinel, Vishvajit Pandya is an Indian anthropologist who made three trips there. In 1998, he accompanied a government team that presented the islanders with several bags of coconuts. The islanders accepted them without hurting anyone, though they then made obscene gestures.

“It takes a certain amount of courage and hard thinking,” Pandya said about the next step. “It has to start with gift giving, years of gift giving, then the language has to be learned through this gift giving. You have to make an effort to engage in dialogue. It’s not easy, but everybody is entitled to think about their future, that is the first right, the right to have rights.


http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/12/01/breaking-news/american-john-chau-wanted-to-spread-christianity-to-forbidden-island-was-he-doomed-from-the-start/

dameatball

(7,395 posts)
34. yes. He bribed an owner of a vessel to take him close enough to the island that he could complete
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:00 AM
Dec 2018

the journey by canoe.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
6. Arrogant spiritual imperialists generally go awry
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:08 AM
Dec 2018

The dude should have checked his Bible for this Golden Oldie on sanctimony:

"... why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
9. Brainwashed young man
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

The situation is infuriating. He's dead, people on the island could have contracted something that killed them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Deadly sincere dickhead.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

Only 26, barely out of adolescence. The last years of adolescence are apparently the most dangerous, when a larger number who don't survive adolescence fail.

Perhaps he could have matured to be a more respectful and responsible man, if not a wise one. He apparently hasn't reproduced.

Police are reportedly looking for 2 other American evangelicals he met with who may have encouraged him to break the law. They've apparently already left India, but police have cell phone records.



RIP.

2naSalit

(86,336 posts)
12. True American DICKHEAD.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:34 AM
Dec 2018

In my DYSFUNCTIONAL family, we had the great religion wars, my entire childhood... we had xtians, jewish, catholic, JWs and now muslims. I don't buy into any of it after what I had to endure, coercion to "accept" one of them. How I saw it was that they all claim to be the chosen ones and everybody else is wrong so if I don't "accept/comply" with their demands I'll not only had a shitty life here, I get to go to hell afterward where it's worse.

The ones I had most frequent interaction with were the evangelical clan of the xtians who told me that I was a snake and evil because I wasn't pearly white and I would never be forgiven, ever, even if I "accepted" their brand of oppression. But I had to "accept/comply" because at least I could go to heaven when I died so I could be seen as like them after having lived an ugly life here because I wasn't the right shade of white. Don't get me started on the rituals part. But the xtians have this mandate to foist this bullshit onto everybody else. At several points in history they have even wiped out whole populations who would not "accept" their beliefs by either disease or murder...

This is the same freaking thing and this guy got what he deserved for being ignorant and arrogant, totally devoid of concern for anyone else but him and his "level" of holiness in his mind only. What a prick, even if he was a gullible fool. Don't care that his body won't be returned, it is the most justified way of telling his kind to fuck off without becoming part of the modern world.

I'm with the North Sentinelese on this. Let them be.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. reading the article, I do not think he was totally devoid of concern
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:15 AM
Dec 2018

but I do remember earlier in life being around evangelicals and their embrace of the "Great Commission." Now it just seems like cultural supremacy to me, and in the article, even evangelicals are starting to question it that way. Thus the contrast between Chau and the questioning of his mission with the hagiography towards the 5 killed by an Ecuadorian tribe in the 1950s.

People could look at God the way we look at language - every culture has a religion of its own - why does our have to be "right?" It is entwined with our culture's feeling of supremacy - the same reason we try to bring democracy to Iraq or the colonization of parts of the world that Europeans seemed addicted to.

I recall my first day of college being approached by a rabid evangelizer. Asked me if I died tnoight, did I think I would have eternal life? The last thing I needed my first big day far from home! They can be really obnoxious. In their own view there are plenty of "unsaved" right here in the USA, so why they need to go to someplace like North Sentinal Island is beyond me. Sounds like he was thinking he'd be a big hero as that is about the toughest place you could possibly evangelize.

Siwsan

(26,251 posts)
14. He got what he deserved.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:47 AM
Dec 2018

The Darwin Award

He's no different from those snake handling preachers who get bit and die. Well, except that he is also kind of like the snake, since he was possibly a conduit for all kinds of nasty 'bugs' for which the islanders have no immunity.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
61. But this one was potentially deadly. I suppose he did not care about their lack of immunity
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:53 AM
Dec 2018

because once he could tell them about Jesus they would go to heaven if they died

Looks like they were more concerned about life on the island than a heaven or his dickhead agenda, so they had to kill the invader

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. I think he was naively stupid
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:47 AM
Dec 2018

and because he went out of his way to break the law, he's a dickhead.

If he wanted to convert others to his religion, there are plenty of much safer places to try. Somebody from his church should have sat his ass down and told him that he needs a lot more experience to try a more dangerous Mission.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
56. Sounds like the people from his church encouraged this "mission"
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:37 AM
Dec 2018

Which is what I find most appaling. The people who encouraged this should be held accountable as well.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
63. if that's the case
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:23 PM
Dec 2018

then I would definitely consider them to be at fault as well, even more so. Likely taking advantage of a naive guy's enthusiasm.

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
27. High on religion.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:48 AM
Dec 2018

Most often, when a person is high they don’t stop and think about the ramifications of their
decisions.

I hope there weren’t people behind the scenes pushing him on.
To me, that would be criminal.

Tikki

Nuffer

(40 posts)
32. Dickhead
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:54 AM
Dec 2018

Dickhead! Obviously those people did not want the asshole shoving his religion down their throats....he got what he deserved....evangelicals are snakes.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. If he wasn't religiously zealous, he'd be something
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:15 AM
Dec 2018

else zealous. Perhaps the kind of anti-religion zealot who feels world peace requires converting religious beliefs to secular. Just the flip side of the coin.

He was already a world traveler, though, and also seems to have combined his proselytizing for god with a strong taste for adventure and variety. He'd never have run out of people to convert back in Kansas, or wherever he came from.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
40. I love a story w/a happy ending
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:09 AM
Dec 2018


‘My name is John, I love you and Jesus loves you.’ ” Chau was killed, apparently by bows and arrows, the next day on the beach.


Demsrule86

(68,473 posts)
45. I do not consider his death a happy ending. He should not have gone, but the posts here are
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:15 AM
Dec 2018

shocking.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,262 posts)
92. so, you deny him his religious beliefs?
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:27 PM
Dec 2018

According to his beliefs, he's with his beloved Jesus now. That's a happy ending for him and for the tribe.

procon

(15,805 posts)
42. Add self righteous, delusional arrogance to his act of unwarranted aggression
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:12 AM
Dec 2018

in invading these tribal people's lands in a deliberate attempt to destroy their culture and alter their society. He was selfish and set himself up as the sole and arbitrary judge of their lives, unmindful of the irreversible damage his intrusion would have done to the tribe. The only thing he was interested in was gaining fame and notoriety for his uninvited proselytizing.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
44. What struck me was these evangelicals
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:14 AM
Dec 2018

actually see a difference between cultural imperialism and 'boiling it down to the gospels'.

I guess I don't see that difference. In this case, it was a remote tribe living off the coast of India on an island - a tribe that had never had any contact with Europeans or Americans. How is going to them to 'preach the gospel' different one iota from engaging in other types of cultural imperialism. Preaching the gospel to these people IS cultural imperialism.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
47. Darwin Award.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:20 AM
Dec 2018

I've got no sympathy for this Bible-thumping shit.

He broke about 20 laws doing what he did, he put the Sentinelese at great risk because apparently, horrible lethal diseases to which they have no immunity have to take second-fiddle to Jeeeeeeezus.

The Sentinelese were in the right to turn him into a human shish-ka-bob. Basic self-defense.

TheBlackAdder

(28,168 posts)
96. Apparently, his father went to Oral Roberts University too. He doesn't score well in HealthGrades.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:21 PM
Dec 2018

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He has one 5-star and three 1-star reviews. Only 2 start out of 5.

The one person who left a comment says he is dismissive of patients.

https://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-patrick-chau-2nrhq


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3Hotdogs

(12,332 posts)
50. I want the movie rights so I can make a faith based docudrama.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:21 AM
Dec 2018

Chau will be a hologram so I don't need to pay money for a lead.

Jon Voight can play the leader of the missionary training school and Tebow can be on the beach at Daytona, throwing spears at a fishing boat.

Any other ideas would be helpful and appreciated.

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
52. Have him stepping out of the boat trying to walk on water.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:26 AM
Dec 2018

He promptly drowns and his body gets shot by arrows. The presence of his body is a potential contamination on the beach.

keithbvadu2

(36,673 posts)
57. Christian missionary witnesses for Jesus.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:38 AM
Dec 2018

Christian missionary witnesses for Jesus.

Converting the heathens by witnessing for Christ.

Witnessing with words probably not found in the Bible.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
58. He was a criminal who broke the law
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:44 AM
Dec 2018

His selfish actions might lead to wiping out these people who did nothing to anyone who didn't go to their island and bother them.

Diseases from the outside world could wipe them out. Or law enforcement/military might do it. Unfortunately this event has gotten this island and it's people way too much attention and will encourage more dickheads to go and bother these people.

The British kidnapped these people and they quickly died of disease. That's a big reason why they don't trust any outsiders.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
82. Actually, that isn't a good enough reason to call him a "dickhead", IMO, given that
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:43 PM
Dec 2018

we're celebrating the pastor for resisting the ICE arrest of an immigrant, which is also breaking the law.

I think he's a dickhead because he chose to force his worldview on a people who had demonstrated, in no uncertain terms, that they did not want him there.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
94. Plenty of Trump supporters say that about us
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:49 PM
Dec 2018

"chose to force their liberal worldview on a people who had demonstrated, in no uncertain terms, that they did not want liberals there."

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
60. How about neither?
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:52 AM
Dec 2018

If you don't yet know that young males, disproportionate to their numbers, die all the time as a result of foolish risk taking, you've obviously never read The Darwun Awards.




the_sly_pig

(740 posts)
62. Dickhead.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:02 PM
Dec 2018

I’ll always remember an Al Franken quote hen he was on Air America when it came to the religious. It went something like, “we don’t need to fear the people of faith, we need to fear the ones that are sure”. This moron was sure.

tenderfoot

(8,425 posts)
70. I couldn't be more indifferent about that man's death...
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:26 PM
Dec 2018

in fact, I think it will mark the beginning of the end of the Sentinelese people at the hand of these "missionaries".

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
71. What's wrong with altering their culture
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:31 PM
Dec 2018

when the culture is "stone age?"

And even if the North Sentinelese were not harmed by new germs, contact with outsiders could irreparably alter their lives and culture.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
85. Maybe, if they knew there was a choice,
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:58 PM
Dec 2018

they would choose electricity and flush toilets over whatever they use now.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
77. Yeah, that was pretty much the attitude of the United States as it moved West in the 1800s
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:33 PM
Dec 2018

The fact is that they have a society, we don't need the island, there is no reason that they cannot be left alone, and there is no compelling reason to force them to change.

It's their home; leave them alone.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
86. They don't know there is
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:00 PM
Dec 2018

an alternative. Maybe they would choose a little bit of modern civilization if they knew it was available.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
91. They have seen boats and clothing more advanced than theirs, and they have rejected them
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:25 PM
Dec 2018

It's not our place to say, for now.

In 70 or 80 years, that may change, as rising seas eliminate their fishing lagoons.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
100. What is wrong with their culture being
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:09 AM
Dec 2018

stone age? Seriously, what is wrong with it?

There is definitely something wrong with being willing to kill an entire cultural group in order to spread your particular religious dogma.

Though, I bet his religious group would have praised him if he had managed to kill them all.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
101. Would you be okay with me changing your culture?
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:14 AM
Dec 2018

I want you to drop English and to adopt Latin. Latin grammar is 100% logical, without any loopholes or special cases. Thus, Latin is superior to your language. Speak Latin.
Or Esperanto. Esperanto is an artificial spoken language with modern terms, derived from Latin, that was supposed to be a new neutral international language that connects us all. Speak Esperanto.

Also, I want you to adopt new philosophical concepts.
I want you to think in new scientific concepts. Classic 19th century materialism is outdated. You have to adopt a Quantum-Field and Multiverse view. Matter does not exist. Everything is energy and fields.
I want you to believe in new religious concepts that far transcend the biblical God in its intellectual complexity.

I want you to express yourself in entirely new metaphors, memes and "imagines" that have no connection to your prior culture.

And lastly, I want you to adopt entirely new moral and ethical standards that have no connection to your personal experience.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
106. If your attempts are not coercive
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:34 PM
Dec 2018

You’d be welcome to try. Some might be convinced. If you reached critical mass , you could change culture. No culture stays the same.

colorado_ufo

(5,730 posts)
73. I am sorry that this very young man died.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:15 PM
Dec 2018

He never got the chance to see his mistake or how he could have done things better, or understand that this was not the time to contact these people.

Tarc

(10,475 posts)
80. Honestly, I liken it to that moron who died in an abandoned bus in Alaska years ago
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:39 PM
Dec 2018

"Follow your dreams" is great, it makes for nice bumper stickers and crochet pillows.

But y'know, sometimes your dreams are dumb.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
84. My vote is for American dickhead.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:48 PM
Dec 2018

Also a strong contender for the Darwin award.

It was basically an attempt at cultural genocide. Not okay.

3catwoman3

(23,950 posts)
90. To approach people who do not welcome outsiders, while shouting...
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:20 PM
Dec 2018

...at them in a language they do not understand, seems ill-considered, regardless of the reason for the approach.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
93. Not a dickhead, not a martyr. Just a useful idiot, evangelical cannon-fodder.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:39 PM
Dec 2018

RIP, dummy.

Except for the selfies of himself on adventures in exotic places. That might elevate him to "dickhead". It's close.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
103. "...could make life harder for...long-term missionaries there." GOOD.
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:24 AM
Dec 2018

Believe whatever bullshit you want to believe, but stop shoving it down everyone else's throat.

peggysue2

(10,824 posts)
108. Cult Member
Tue Dec 4, 2018, 03:18 PM
Dec 2018

From what I read this final stunt was preceded by two other attempts. So Chau knew these tribesmen were not receptive. Whoever was encouraging the reckless 'outreach,' should be ashamed. A young life was lost senselessly and it also left the tribesmen vulnerable to retribution and--as Dreher points out--mass infection.

Stupid and pointless.

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