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DFW

(54,349 posts)
2. Not a lot, other than that the French do this periodically
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:56 AM
Dec 2018

1968 was in part in reaction to the ossified leadership of World War II icon Charles de Gaulle, who tended to prance around with the "L'État, c'est moi" attitude of the imperial presidency. Macron was the rock star who wasn't able to turn water into wine overnight. If his campaign didn't exactly make that claim, it didn't do much to dispel the expectations, either. His "en marche (let's get going)" movement hasn't brought the country anywhere yet, and impatience is setting in. Trying to get France to get anywhere or do anything isn't a job I'd want to attempt, either, but nor would I ever campaign as if I had a clue how to do it.

DFW

(54,349 posts)
6. The French are definitely stuck in an economic rut
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:19 PM
Dec 2018

The more problems they find they have, the more restrictive laws and regulations they think up. Normal businesses are strangled in bureaucracy, and many either cheat, leave, or go bust, and the government thinks that is due to not enough regulations and bureaucracy, so they think up even more of them.

Basket case Italy made the limit of cash transactions €1000 (in a country where cash transactions were traditional). Their economy went down the tubes. I heard they just raised it to €3000 again. One of the main sources of revenue is the VAT (Value added tax) from which the government rakes in many billions a year. Every café, restaurant meal, hotel bill, garden worker's bill, whatever, includes the VAT (they have no state sales taxes). Much of that comes from cash transactions. If people are allowed to spend their cash freely, the government will rake in the billions in VAT. If not, cash goes into the underground "black" economy and the government gets none of it. It's no accident that the larger European economies that are doing relatively well (e.g. Germany, Netherlands, Austria) are the ones that restrict cash the least. The problem children in the Western part of the EU (Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy) restrict it most, and fall into the bureaucratic rut of thinking that the problems's root can't be too much bureaucracy, so there must not be enough. A lot of the definition of insanity comes into play here.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
5. I think Bannon, the French right and the Russians are involved here
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:01 PM
Dec 2018

but there are real economic issues as well.

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