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Norman Rockwell Updated (Original Post) Danascot Dec 2018 OP
Sorry, it doesn't work brooklynite Dec 2018 #1
Sure it works. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #3
That's not AOC, it's Rosario Dawson. nt PunkinPi Dec 2018 #4
Yup. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #20
oops TeamPooka Dec 2018 #5
That's not AOC so the diss is wasted. It's an actress. Autumn Dec 2018 #9
Highlighting AOC ? oberliner Dec 2018 #13
As others have pointed out, that is not AOC. It is Rosario Dawson, an actor LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #15
That is Rosario Dawson genxlib Dec 2018 #2
"Norman Rockwell's Vision of the Four Freedoms Left Some People Out. ..." sl8 Dec 2018 #6
Wow - absolutely wow. Thank you for that image and the link - please follow! erronis Dec 2018 #11
Amazingly inspiring! MFGsunny Dec 2018 #19
Norman Rockwell was a giant in the art world Perseus Dec 2018 #7
deleted pecosbob Dec 2018 #8
I know this, watoos Dec 2018 #10
What does AOC have to do with this? oberliner Dec 2018 #12
In all fairness, she does kind of look like Rosario Dawson. pecosbob Dec 2018 #14
How so? Other than the hair? Autumn Dec 2018 #16
After I had read others' posts I knew that it was in fact a depiction of Ms. Dawson pecosbob Dec 2018 #17
Thanks & R!!!! LAS14 Dec 2018 #18

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
1. Sorry, it doesn't work
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:12 AM
Dec 2018

The purpose of "Freedom of Speech" is that the speaker is an unknown citizen and that any other person in the crowd could be speaking out. Highlighting AOC shifts the focus to representative speech, and suggests that the people around her have a less significant role.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
3. Sure it works.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:44 AM
Dec 2018

It certainly works for me.

Maybe not for you. Unsurprising, though. 'Less significant', indeed.

Autumn

(45,023 posts)
9. That's not AOC so the diss is wasted. It's an actress.
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:20 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm surprised a big Democratic party donor doesn't even know what Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez looks like . She and Rosario Dawson really don't look alike, other than dark hair.
But then again on reflection, I'm not surprised at all.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
15. As others have pointed out, that is not AOC. It is Rosario Dawson, an actor
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:07 PM
Dec 2018

But your point is still taken.

I don't know where this comes from and if they are even intending to re-create the painting. But it doesn't work for the same ultimate reason. That "the people around her have a less significant role". Simply because she is a fairly well known actor and so is a part of the hallowed class known as "celebrity". And a subclass being a Hollywood actress which has its own baggage. I also noticed other recognizable actor faces in the crowd. For whatever reason, this class of people are not looked at as "regular folks" They are either put on a pedestal, or mocked for daring to think their voice is important.

sl8

(13,713 posts)
6. "Norman Rockwell's Vision of the Four Freedoms Left Some People Out. ..."
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:38 PM
Dec 2018

From http://time.com/longform/four-freedoms/

Norman Rockwell's Vision of the Four Freedoms Left Some People Out. These Artists Are Trying to Fill Those Gaps

By Lily Rothman
October 12, 2018


A reinterpretation of Norman Rockwell's iconic illustration “Freedom of Worship” Rockwell's classic illustrations of the "Four Freedoms," have been given a photographic update by artists Hank Willis Thomas and Emily Shur. The project is part of a campaign by the arts organization For Freedoms and just one of dozens of different versions of the image.
Hank Willis Thomas and Emily Shur—For Freedoms


Updated — Nov. 15, 2018: The cover of TIME’s latest issue features a modern version of Freedom of Worship, the iconic 1943 Norman Rockwell painting. Here’s the story behind the picture.

It was no surprise that Norman Rockwell’s Four Freedoms paintings were a hit. Though the Office of War Information had turned down the set as not suitable for government use, Rockwell was already a nationally famous artist at the time and the Saturday Evening Post knew to plan a major publicity campaign around its 1943 release of the four now-famous images. The timing was right: As World War II raged on, an interpretation of the Four Freedoms, an idea introduced to the nation during President Franklin Roosevelt’s 1941 State of the Union address, felt particularly urgent. The Saturday Evening Post received 60,000 letters about the images, according to Deborah Solomon’s Rockwell biography American Mirror, and the exhibition of the originals was a massive hit. Even the government changed its mind, printing millions of poster versions.

Norman Rockwell's Four Freedoms illustrations, originally published in The Saturday Evening Post. Clockwise from top left “Freedom From Want”; “Freedom of Speech”; “Freedom of Worship”; and “Freedom From Fear” (1943).

...



More at link.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
11. Wow - absolutely wow. Thank you for that image and the link - please follow!
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:39 PM
Dec 2018

Being an old WASP, this is exactly how I see our freedoms being real - multi-ethnic, cultures, everything.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
7. Norman Rockwell was a giant in the art world
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:16 PM
Dec 2018

His work will live for ever, and I appreciate the photos to update his thinking at the time, but I don't think his paintings require it, they speak truth no matter what the year, the era.

I was very lucky to see Spielberg's and Lucas extensive collection of Norman Rockwell paintings, and I was amazed at the detail and the life that comes out of his paintings, and on top of that they had the "sketches" which by themselves were full charcoal/pencil renditions of the final painting, same size even.

For someone to produce such intrinsic work in such little time, as he had to deliver for the Post on a weekly basis, is amazing.

Anyway, I do have mixed feelings regarding the effort to duplicate his paintings in photograph, even if the message is to update it to this era, I would rather see original work from any of the great artists that live in the USA. The problem is that so many artists are so careful to not offend that not many are using art to shake people's thinking, and to me, I think art must contribute to open people's eyes, people's minds.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. I know this,
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:29 PM
Dec 2018

Republicans fear her, and it looks like some Democrats too. A Democrat with a ton of passion, she reminds me of the Lion of the Senate, in the early stages.

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
17. After I had read others' posts I knew that it was in fact a depiction of Ms. Dawson
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:53 PM
Dec 2018

and criticized another poster for what I saw as unwarranted criticism of AOC...but when I first looked at the picture, that's who I thought it was, and others did as well. I deleted my first post and tried to clean up the mess afterward.

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