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SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:52 PM Aug 2012

Say What?!?!? Romney Adviser: It's 'Politically Unwise' To Campaign In Specifics

So far, putting Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's ticket hasn't led to any detailed plans for his top issue, the budget. That won't change, according to a Romney aide who spoke to Politico.

"The nature of running a presidential campaign is that you're communicating direction to the American people," a Romney adviser, who is not named, told Politico. "Campaigns that are about specifics, particularly in today's environment, get tripped up."

The issue of the budget, particularly taxes and cuts to entitlement programs, is a pivotal one for the election and is one both campaigns are trying to exploit. For the Romney campaign, that has meant accusing President Barack Obama of decimating Medicare by taking funds from it for his health care law, even though that is a false claim. Ryan's own budget would transform the program to make it almost unrecognizable.

...

"What you're going to see is a campaign that has clear direction, but not a Simpson-Bowles or Ryan-budget level of detail," the adviser told Politico. "It's not only politically unwise to do that, but it's not how the voters engage in a presidential campaign."

Ryan said earlier this week that he plans to discuss tax plans, but not until after the election.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/romney-adviser-campaign-specifics_n_1797570.html



Edited to add some of my favorite comments:

The GOP wants to "save" the economy, they want to "save" Medicare, they want to "save" the soul of America.

The only thing they'll "save" are the details from you and me.



Maybe Mitt doesn't know what specifics are.
"Mr. Romney- can you use the word 'specific' in a sentence?"
"Sure I can: My new car elevator overlooks the specific ocean."

Serf city- here we come.....



"WE'D TELL YOU, BUT THEN WE'D LOSE"



The Romney-Ryan Plan, in the words of Forrest Gump, "is like a box of chocolates ... you never know what you're gonna get ... "

And, let me add, that chocolate may look appealing on the outside but take a bite and you find that it's full of nuts!!




So what will Mitt and Ryan talk about during the debates?

Mitt might talk about how he disposed of aborted fetuses,

and Ryan might talk about how he re-named a post office.

Other than that?

I don't know.

Obama/Biden 2012



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Say What?!?!? Romney Adviser: It's 'Politically Unwise' To Campaign In Specifics (Original Post) SunsetDreams Aug 2012 OP
The thing that "trips them up" Hissyspit Aug 2012 #1
Damn, damn, damn, details... russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #2
Politically unwise for them. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #3
Yep, was just going to say this. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #15
In other words, just trust me. We'll be good. PDJane Aug 2012 #4
creation of a police state is well underway, democrats are fine with that nt msongs Aug 2012 #5
"Because if we tell them what we're really up to.... Wounded Bear Aug 2012 #6
LOL I know SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #7
it's the same as "if we release our taxes, we will get attacked" grasswire Aug 2012 #8
Exactly! nt SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #9
. SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #10
If he wins with this tactic? MyshkinCommaPrince Aug 2012 #11
Then in the future, we would only vote for ninjas. tclambert Aug 2012 #25
Yet Obama has to campaign on a record that is entirely fictitious librechik Aug 2012 #12
"what will Mitt and Ryan talk about during the debates?" BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #13
The "Dewey Strategy" ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2012 #14
"Lemon. Wet. Good." Mitt Romney 7/14/12. Historic NY Aug 2012 #19
The Reagan strategy quaker bill Aug 2012 #26
Even W gave specifics, as best he could. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #16
It's turning Republicanism into a religion, a faith, a belief aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #17
A cult. (nt) RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #22
It is a "Morning in America" Reagan redux quaker bill Aug 2012 #29
The "Pig In A Poke" Campaign DallasNE Aug 2012 #18
"He doesn't trust the American People BarackTheVote Aug 2012 #20
They can't talk about mitten's past, they can't talk about his political record... Javaman Aug 2012 #21
And there are millions of people who will vote for him... Unreal. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #23
"Governor Romney, are you trying to hide that your plans are really fucking stupid?" tclambert Aug 2012 #24
The first smart thing to come from that direction quaker bill Aug 2012 #27
Let's be honest, the lack of details in 2008 was golden for Obama/Biden… progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #28
Precisely quaker bill Aug 2012 #30
Watch it happen quaker bill Aug 2012 #31
One can only hope that the press does its job Vattel Aug 2012 #32

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
3. Politically unwise for them.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
Aug 2012

Because their specifics are unpopular and unrealistic. That's why their campaign is based on lies.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
4. In other words, just trust me. We'll be good.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
Aug 2012

Why the hell would anyone vote for these people? They are quite determined to dismantle everything that Americans worked for, and steal whatever wealth they can get their hands on on the way out the door.

Oh, and by the bye, you'll have a police state for the peons by the time it's over.

Wounded Bear

(58,646 posts)
6. "Because if we tell them what we're really up to....
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
Aug 2012

Nobody would vote for us."

Pretty simple really.

They don't often reveal such truths.

MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
11. If he wins with this tactic?
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:41 PM
Aug 2012

Will we ever again see a fact-driven election cycle, for any office, anywhere, ever? Vote for the feeling!

Yikes.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
25. Then in the future, we would only vote for ninjas.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:04 PM
Aug 2012

I'm surprised Romney even uses his real first name. Wait, what? His real first name is Willard? Yeah, I'd keep that a secret, too.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
12. Yet Obama has to campaign on a record that is entirely fictitious
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

after the Repubs get through presenting it in their own lying straw man language.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
13. "what will Mitt and Ryan talk about during the debates?"
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
Aug 2012

Let me guess...

Flag pins and why Obama's pin is not large enough to discern the 50 stars?
Why Gabby Douglas didn't where a flag for a uniform?
Patriotism and the American flag and why the President hates America?


I mean what else would shills like Creepy Crawly and Bob Shitffer ask about?

eppur_se_muova

(36,259 posts)
14. The "Dewey Strategy" ...
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:10 PM
Aug 2012
He spoke in platitudes, trying to transcend politics. Speech after speech was filled with empty statements of the obvious, such as the famous quote: "You know that your future is still ahead of you." An editorial in the Louisville Courier-Journal summed it up:

No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey#1948


That worked so well.




(NOT to imply that Rmoney is in any other way even remotely similar to Thomas Dewey, who represented the liberal wing(!) of the Republican Party, and played a role in securing the nomination of Eisenhower over the more conservative Taft.)

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
16. Even W gave specifics, as best he could.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Aug 2012

What politician expects people to vote for him when he won't tell the voters what he intends to do? Mitt Romney.

It boggles the mind.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. It's turning Republicanism into a religion, a faith, a belief
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

And Romney must see himself as the shepherd tending his flocked.

"...The GOP wants to "save" the economy, they want to "save" Medicare, they want to "save" the soul of America. ..."

"...Job CREATORS blah blah blah ... the faithful must bow down to their CREATORS! ..."

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
29. It is a "Morning in America" Reagan redux
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:39 AM
Aug 2012

Listen to them and understand what is coming

"Believe in America"

"Our freedoms are God and Nature given"

"Restore our Values"

"Restore our Freedoms"

They will be attempting to run on flag wrapped platitudes. Just exactly the way Reagan did. It is already beginning to work with the "true believers". It will be all image and no substance. They cannot truly run on their record or proposals, because most of us still understand that republicans and their policies made this problem, far too many of us still understand this for them to win on that path.

Obama will do some of the same, but also has to go with "Where's the Beef?" "remember, you bought this line before and it did not work so well" ....

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
18. The "Pig In A Poke" Campaign
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

So voters engage in a campaign by eating up the lies? What world does this clown live in. Romney is coming off a bad month and he just digs in the heels. What a total loser and liar.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
20. "He doesn't trust the American People
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:54 PM
Aug 2012

to understand the specifics. He doesn't trust you, America, why should you trust him?" --I think that's a pretty winning line

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
21. They can't talk about mitten's past, they can't talk about his political record...
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:02 PM
Aug 2012

they can't talk about ryan's record, they can't talk about the present, they have a hard time defining their future plans, who the fuck would vote for these two stooges?

repukes, that's who.

it's never been about substance to them, it's always been image.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
24. "Governor Romney, are you trying to hide that your plans are really fucking stupid?"
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:57 PM
Aug 2012

"That was supposed to be a secret! Who blabbed? Was it Ryan? Was it that girl on my staff who said the thing about Romneycare, after I told them to never, ever mention Romneycare?"

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
27. The first smart thing to come from that direction
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:13 PM
Aug 2012

He is correct, it is atmospherics, not policy that wins elections. People vote for someone they "like" and "trust", and this is not necessarily the guy with the better plan. This is the only explanation for Bush* getting more than 35% in 2004. The challenge for Rmoney is that he has all the personality of a dead fish a few days on.

Policy is not irrelevant as it can help set the atmosphere. Barack Obama has chosen well in this regard, so the policy differences need to be pointed out over and over. However, bottom line, it will all come down to trust and "likability". We are in good shape there.

 

progress2k12nbynd

(221 posts)
28. Let's be honest, the lack of details in 2008 was golden for Obama/Biden…
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:44 AM
Aug 2012

Inspiration is way more effective in elections than ideas...

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
30. Precisely
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:56 AM
Aug 2012

The problem with Rmoney is that he is not particularly inspirational.

Reagan pulled it off, but he had the actor's skill of speaking like he was everyone's friend / neighbor.

Bush* was consistently stupid enough on the surface that the majority through 2004 did not take him as the elitist sociopath he actually was. (someone who would joke about an execution he signed off on, go to a party while people died in NOLA, say "bring it on" to insurgents while troops were in harm's way... I am pretty sure FDR never told the Germans to "bring it&quot

We have been dealing with the backwash of Obama's inspiration for 4 years now. Keeping real governing even close to as inspirational as his speeches has proven impossible, at least without 65+ senate seats. Even with that many seats it would have been very tough to make reality meet the visions people had.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
31. Watch it happen
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 07:13 AM
Aug 2012

Rmoney is already working this angle. Every time Obama goes to specifics, he will be accused of "dragging the campaign into the gutter". Rmoney wants to talk "ideas", "visions", "dreams", and "aspirations" in as abstract of terms as possible. He will call it the high road. He will wrap it in a flag and salute it.

If we let him, he will try to give us the full Ronbo Raygun. Remember the Raygun "peace shield" drawn as a crayon rainbow with a little stick figure girl picking daises under it?.... It was all rendered pretty and delivered in an "aw-shucks" manner. Fortunately from what I have seen so far, Romney is not that sort of BS artist, and has a short temper that can be engaged. If Reagan had popped off angry even once, Carter might have been re-elected, but he was given bait and never went there, it was "there you go again" (with a smile) everytime. I am not sure Romney has this level of discipline, he gets a bit twisted when in a verbal bind.

We will see, but it at least is a professional plan that is a big notch above McSame.

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