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"The nature of running a presidential campaign is that you're communicating direction to the American people," a Romney adviser, who is not named, told Politico. "Campaigns that are about specifics, particularly in today's environment, get tripped up."
The issue of the budget, particularly taxes and cuts to entitlement programs, is a pivotal one for the election and is one both campaigns are trying to exploit. For the Romney campaign, that has meant accusing President Barack Obama of decimating Medicare by taking funds from it for his health care law, even though that is a false claim. Ryan's own budget would transform the program to make it almost unrecognizable.
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"What you're going to see is a campaign that has clear direction, but not a Simpson-Bowles or Ryan-budget level of detail," the adviser told Politico. "It's not only politically unwise to do that, but it's not how the voters engage in a presidential campaign."
Ryan said earlier this week that he plans to discuss tax plans, but not until after the election.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/romney-adviser-campaign-specifics_n_1797570.html
Edited to add some of my favorite comments:
The only thing they'll "save" are the details from you and me.
"Mr. Romney- can you use the word 'specific' in a sentence?"
"Sure I can: My new car elevator overlooks the specific ocean."
Serf city- here we come.....
And, let me add, that chocolate may look appealing on the outside but take a bite and you find that it's full of nuts!!
Mitt might talk about how he disposed of aborted fetuses,
and Ryan might talk about how he re-named a post office.
Other than that?
I don't know.
Obama/Biden 2012
The comments are great!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)is when the Etch-A-Sketch gets shaken.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Because their specifics are unpopular and unrealistic. That's why their campaign is based on lies.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)PDJane
(10,103 posts)Why the hell would anyone vote for these people? They are quite determined to dismantle everything that Americans worked for, and steal whatever wealth they can get their hands on on the way out the door.
Oh, and by the bye, you'll have a police state for the peons by the time it's over.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,646 posts)Nobody would vote for us."
Pretty simple really.
They don't often reveal such truths.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)For once they admit the truth here.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)same logic.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)MyshkinCommaPrince
(611 posts)Will we ever again see a fact-driven election cycle, for any office, anywhere, ever? Vote for the feeling!
Yikes.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)I'm surprised Romney even uses his real first name. Wait, what? His real first name is Willard? Yeah, I'd keep that a secret, too.
librechik
(30,674 posts)after the Repubs get through presenting it in their own lying straw man language.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)Let me guess...
Flag pins and why Obama's pin is not large enough to discern the 50 stars?
Why Gabby Douglas didn't where a flag for a uniform?
Patriotism and the American flag and why the President hates America?
I mean what else would shills like Creepy Crawly and Bob Shitffer ask about?
eppur_se_muova
(36,259 posts)No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey#1948
That worked so well.
(NOT to imply that Rmoney is in any other way even remotely similar to Thomas Dewey, who represented the liberal wing(!) of the Republican Party, and played a role in securing the nomination of Eisenhower over the more conservative Taft.)
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)all image, no substance, "values" wrapped in a flag, with a yellow ribbon around it.
Tennessee Gal
(6,160 posts)What politician expects people to vote for him when he won't tell the voters what he intends to do? Mitt Romney.
It boggles the mind.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)And Romney must see himself as the shepherd tending his flocked.
"...The GOP wants to "save" the economy, they want to "save" Medicare, they want to "save" the soul of America. ..."
"...Job CREATORS blah blah blah ... the faithful must bow down to their CREATORS! ..."
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)Listen to them and understand what is coming
"Believe in America"
"Our freedoms are God and Nature given"
"Restore our Values"
"Restore our Freedoms"
They will be attempting to run on flag wrapped platitudes. Just exactly the way Reagan did. It is already beginning to work with the "true believers". It will be all image and no substance. They cannot truly run on their record or proposals, because most of us still understand that republicans and their policies made this problem, far too many of us still understand this for them to win on that path.
Obama will do some of the same, but also has to go with "Where's the Beef?" "remember, you bought this line before and it did not work so well" ....
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)So voters engage in a campaign by eating up the lies? What world does this clown live in. Romney is coming off a bad month and he just digs in the heels. What a total loser and liar.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)to understand the specifics. He doesn't trust you, America, why should you trust him?" --I think that's a pretty winning line
Javaman
(62,517 posts)they can't talk about ryan's record, they can't talk about the present, they have a hard time defining their future plans, who the fuck would vote for these two stooges?
repukes, that's who.
it's never been about substance to them, it's always been image.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)"That was supposed to be a secret! Who blabbed? Was it Ryan? Was it that girl on my staff who said the thing about Romneycare, after I told them to never, ever mention Romneycare?"
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)He is correct, it is atmospherics, not policy that wins elections. People vote for someone they "like" and "trust", and this is not necessarily the guy with the better plan. This is the only explanation for Bush* getting more than 35% in 2004. The challenge for Rmoney is that he has all the personality of a dead fish a few days on.
Policy is not irrelevant as it can help set the atmosphere. Barack Obama has chosen well in this regard, so the policy differences need to be pointed out over and over. However, bottom line, it will all come down to trust and "likability". We are in good shape there.
progress2k12nbynd
(221 posts)Inspiration is way more effective in elections than ideas...
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)The problem with Rmoney is that he is not particularly inspirational.
Reagan pulled it off, but he had the actor's skill of speaking like he was everyone's friend / neighbor.
Bush* was consistently stupid enough on the surface that the majority through 2004 did not take him as the elitist sociopath he actually was. (someone who would joke about an execution he signed off on, go to a party while people died in NOLA, say "bring it on" to insurgents while troops were in harm's way... I am pretty sure FDR never told the Germans to "bring it"
We have been dealing with the backwash of Obama's inspiration for 4 years now. Keeping real governing even close to as inspirational as his speeches has proven impossible, at least without 65+ senate seats. Even with that many seats it would have been very tough to make reality meet the visions people had.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)Rmoney is already working this angle. Every time Obama goes to specifics, he will be accused of "dragging the campaign into the gutter". Rmoney wants to talk "ideas", "visions", "dreams", and "aspirations" in as abstract of terms as possible. He will call it the high road. He will wrap it in a flag and salute it.
If we let him, he will try to give us the full Ronbo Raygun. Remember the Raygun "peace shield" drawn as a crayon rainbow with a little stick figure girl picking daises under it?.... It was all rendered pretty and delivered in an "aw-shucks" manner. Fortunately from what I have seen so far, Romney is not that sort of BS artist, and has a short temper that can be engaged. If Reagan had popped off angry even once, Carter might have been re-elected, but he was given bait and never went there, it was "there you go again" (with a smile) everytime. I am not sure Romney has this level of discipline, he gets a bit twisted when in a verbal bind.
We will see, but it at least is a professional plan that is a big notch above McSame.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)and make it difficult for them not to give specifics.