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Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:12 AM Dec 2018

Analyst: Flynn prob named Trump or Pence: You only get a good deal if you give up someone above you

CNN analyst warns Flynn could have named Trump or Pence: ‘You only get a good deal if you give up someone above you’

Former Donald Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn may have “given up” the president or Vice President Mike Pence, a CNN political analyst explained on Tuesday.

Hours earlier, special counsel Robert Mueller had recommended as little as no jail time for Flynn, following his “substantial” cooperation with investigators.

Ryan Lizza explained to CNN anchor Don Lemon what that could mean for the larger probe.

“Remember when Flynn was first reported to be a cooperator, what most analysts said was you only get a good deal if you give up someone above you,” Lizza reminded.

“He was the national security adviser for the president — there aren’t very many people above him in the White House hierarchy,” Lizza noted. “Basically only the vice president and the president, right?”

“So that is incredibly significant,” he concluded

More:https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/cnn-analyst-warns-flynn-named-trump-pence-get-good-deal-give-someone/?utm_source=push_notifications

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luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
3. It started out as an aria,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:45 AM
Dec 2018

but apparently others were moved to sing along. (Flynn's cooperation caused others to flip) How many? A duet? A quartet? Bet Trump wants to be able to name that tune. None of know the tune, or if it will end up being a choir, but hallelujah the show is finally starting.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
2. Are tRump's kids considered "above" him?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:37 AM
Dec 2018

Is "above" meaning those closest to tRump or their position in govt?

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
11. Honestly, I think so.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:12 AM
Dec 2018

At least in the eyes of the Special Counsel.

While it would be wild if he named Trump, Pence, or both. He probably named Don Jr. or Jared.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
10. An interesting question: Is the VP not subject to the same can't-indict-while-in-office standard...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:55 AM
Dec 2018

...as is claimed for the President? Judging by what happened to Spiro Agnew, I would guess the answer is "no."

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
5. My money's on it being pense - or maybe that's just wishfull thinking
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:06 AM
Dec 2018

I'd like to see him go before trumpft. That will really bother the evangelicals who have decided it's ok to support trumpft so that they can eventually get their guy and their agenda forced upon Americans.

Harker

(13,977 posts)
7. If that's wishful thinking
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:34 AM
Dec 2018

it's the kind I can get behind. Disgorge the poison pill Pence first, then immediately oust Trumpsky, and it's time for Acting President Pelosi, unless something has changed the line of succession.

January seems well worth waiting for.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
9. If Pence goes, a new GOP VP could be named before Trump goes, so
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:31 AM
Dec 2018

the best scenario would be for them to go simultaneously, after the new House is seated, so Nancy would ascend.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
12. That is the best case scenario, but so unlikely.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:26 AM
Dec 2018


Though I wish it weren't. I just don't see a world where they aren't able to appoint a new VP before the two of them go, if they went at all.
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
15. Appointing a new Veep can't happen
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:04 AM
Dec 2018

without the approval of both House a nd Senate. If it is needed, but doesn't arise until after Jan 3, 2019....well, that will be a little problematic for the pukes.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
8. He met with Mueller 19 times.... that seems to suggest multiple people. Still, I hope Pence
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:21 AM
Dec 2018

is given up, because tRump was surely given up by Cohen.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
13. Pence seems to have been able to slide under the radar
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:15 AM
Dec 2018

But Manafort picked him to be VP. And supposedly, Pence was in charge of the transition team. You would think that he would be up to his elbows in this mess.

Unless...What if Pence is really just sort of dumb. There is a precedent for dumb vice presidents from Indiana. But let's just say he was picked because he'll not question anything that 45's posse wants to do, mainly because he is incapable of connecting the dots for himself.

Politically, at the time he was picked, he was a failed governor of an insignificant state. At that time, no one who had any shred of a future left was willing to even consider VP.

Harker

(13,977 posts)
18. I'm inclined to think he's both
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:39 PM
Dec 2018

really dumb and complicit, like many others in this bizarre traitorous coup.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
16. AND. I'm going with AND.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:44 PM
Dec 2018

OR is what the media is pushing, but Mueller's wording (below) sounds punitive.

Mike Pence headed the Trump campaign's transition team. It's unfathomable that he never heard a hint of Flynn's Russian ties, something Rachel Maddow has pointed out in inconsistencies in Pence's statements. The fact that he probably did know, lied about it, and did nothing is probably why Mueller worded Flynn's memo papers yesterday “senior government leaders should be held to the highest standards” the way he did.

@2:35s



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