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Fuckie Todd, Brokaw and Nicole Wallace he is not the last of his generation who served (Original Post) malaise Dec 2018 OP
Umm.... jberryhill Dec 2018 #1
umm no both are 94 years old , the same generation . stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #2
Holy cow jberryhill Dec 2018 #5
I hear you malaise Dec 2018 #9
Yes the statement can be taken two ways but sdfernando Dec 2018 #18
Grammatically, the word "last" is linked to "his generation" so the OP is correct. yardwork Dec 2018 #22
I see how you are misunderstanding the statement. It's not worded well, but it's correct. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #47
Last of his generation to die is not accurate n/t malaise Dec 2018 #4
But that's not the statement jberryhill Dec 2018 #6
How did Jimmy Carter win that WWII victory medal then? Baltimike Dec 2018 #23
never mind that, how did Jimmy Carter get a time machine.... jberryhill Dec 2018 #25
No time machine needed. Jimmy Carter and HW Bush are in the same generation. Baltimike Dec 2018 #27
And which one was president last? jberryhill Dec 2018 #35
I'm curious- who do you think was the first of that generation to serve as president onenote Dec 2018 #36
Kennedy dsc Dec 2018 #44
Correct. And if he is the first because no one of that generation was president before him onenote Dec 2018 #46
My father got one too nitpicker Dec 2018 #60
Correct. That's why no one said that. Read the statement again. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #48
The wording matters zaj Dec 2018 #3
It was poorly worded. Should have said "last WWII vet to get ELECTED President. All those after him Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #49
MSM hates Carter because he's so foreign to them. lark Dec 2018 #7
Maybe so. But the statement that GWHB is the last of his generation to have served as president onenote Dec 2018 #14
He was the last one to get elected...better wording. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #50
They've been calling it the WWII generation leftynyc Dec 2018 #8
The last vs. last surviving Zambero Dec 2018 #10
Different generation... brooklynite Dec 2018 #11
Carter is the same age as Bush was. yardwork Dec 2018 #24
He had a pretty darn good service record ... marble falls Dec 2018 #12
Who of that generation served as president after GWHB? onenote Dec 2018 #13
The navy has always been the red headed stepchild of the armed forces elmac Dec 2018 #15
But Bush was in the Navy Reserves. itsrobert Dec 2018 #33
I think I just heard a bunch of Coasties say "Excuse me?" n/t whopis01 Dec 2018 #39
Coming from a family of Marines, father, brother, cousins, uncles elmac Dec 2018 #43
I get it - have family in both the Marines and Navy whopis01 Dec 2018 #56
Who Will Bet Carter Wont Get 5 Days Of Gushing PaulX2 Dec 2018 #16
He'd BETTER! maddiemom Dec 2018 #17
But I expect most of the world will remember President Carter positively erronis Dec 2018 #19
I haven't watched one minute of the coverage... llmart Dec 2018 #37
I will give him more than that malaise Dec 2018 #53
Conservative reality -- History as seen through the glass eye of the beholder. ffr Dec 2018 #20
Fun fact: Bush was president after Carter. Kaleva Dec 2018 #21
You just misunderstood what they meant. phleshdef Dec 2018 #26
I'm so sick of turning on MSNBC and listening to everyone gush over Pappy Bush! oldlibdem Dec 2018 #28
I don't understand why you do it then. Kaleva Dec 2018 #32
Who said I sit in front of the "idiot" box all day? oldlibdem Dec 2018 #38
I didn't say you sit in front of the idiot box all day did I? This is what you said: Kaleva Dec 2018 #41
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #58
I'm just saying don't let the idiot box control you. Be your own master. Kaleva Dec 2018 #59
jumped to wrong conclusion, removed previous comment still_one Dec 2018 #29
Ok. Tell me who of that generation served as President after GHWB onenote Dec 2018 #34
You are right, I was thinking served in armed forces, not WWII. Thanks for the correction still_one Dec 2018 #52
You should trash this thread. It's an off handed attack based upon your misunderstanding tymorial Dec 2018 #30
+1 BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #40
It's getting pretty gross. tymorial Dec 2018 #51
+2 Kaleva Dec 2018 #42
Abide. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #31
+ IADEMO2004 Dec 2018 #54
What a semantics war.. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #45
..and I don't believe Carter ever bailed out and killed his crew.... joanbarnes Dec 2018 #55
Carter was in the Naval Academy during WW2 flotsam Dec 2018 #57
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Umm....
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:15 AM
Dec 2018

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe HW was president AFTER Carter, which would make him the "last of his generation who served as president".

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Holy cow
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:35 AM
Dec 2018

The statement is:

"The last of his generation to serve as president".

Between Carter and Bush, which one served last as president?

The statement can be taken two ways, I suppose. But it is pretty obvious to me that, taken directly, between Carter and HW, that HW was the "last of his generation to serve as president".

AFTER HW, it's been people who were two young to have served in WWII - Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump.

HW was the LAST president to have served in WWII like - Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and HW Bush - all served in the military in WW2. Of them HW was the "last". Starting with Clinton, no president has served in ww2.

sdfernando

(4,925 posts)
18. Yes the statement can be taken two ways but
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:47 AM
Dec 2018

most people would take it to mean that they are saying there are no more, which is patently false. The correct statement would be "The latest of his generation to serve as president".

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
22. Grammatically, the word "last" is linked to "his generation" so the OP is correct.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:07 PM
Dec 2018

Jimmy Carter is the last of his generation to have served as president.

The OP is correct.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. I see how you are misunderstanding the statement. It's not worded well, but it's correct.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:02 PM
Dec 2018

He was the last one from WWII to be elected President. All others after him were born after WWII. (Carter was from the Greatest Generation, but he was elected before GHWB, making GWHB the last one to have been elected.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. But that's not the statement
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:36 AM
Dec 2018

Of course he is not the last of his generation to die.

But that's not the statement in question.

The statement in question is "last of his generation to have served as president".

HW is the last president who served in WW2.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. never mind that, how did Jimmy Carter get a time machine....
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:10 PM
Dec 2018

...in order to travel into the future and be the last president to have been in the service during WWII?

Carter was not the last of his generation to have served as president. There were two presidents after Carter who were in the service during WWII.

He is the last living one, but that is reading a qualifier into the statement which is not there.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
44. Kennedy
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:50 PM
Dec 2018

while Kennedy is older (he would be 101 today) he isn't that much older and would be the same generation.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
46. Correct. And if he is the first because no one of that generation was president before him
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:59 PM
Dec 2018

Then it logically follows that GHWB was the last of that generation to serve as president since no one of that generation was president after him.

I should note that one might argue that Ike was the first of the WWII generation to serve as President since he served in the war.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
60. My father got one too
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:13 AM
Dec 2018

For signing up before the end of 1945, even though he actually didn't go on active duty until 1946.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
3. The wording matters
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:26 AM
Dec 2018

The last WWII vet to serve as president is different than the last living WWII vet to serve as president

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. It was poorly worded. Should have said "last WWII vet to get ELECTED President. All those after him
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:05 PM
Dec 2018

were born after WWII."

But they're speaking off the cuff. We all would word things better if we were writing something to publish, as opposed to just talking.

lark

(23,062 posts)
7. MSM hates Carter because he's so foreign to them.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:37 AM
Dec 2018

He actually worked for the good of the common people, and they hate that, so relegate him to invisibility almost constantly. Makes me sick.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
14. Maybe so. But the statement that GWHB is the last of his generation to have served as president
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:17 AM
Dec 2018

is undeniably factual.

Here is the list of those who served as president after GWHB:

Clinton
Bush II
Obama
Trump

Every one of them born after WWII ended.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. They've been calling it the WWII generation
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:39 AM
Dec 2018

Pres Carter didn't graduate Annapolis until 1946 so was too young to serve in WWII. I'm pretty sure that's what they mean. GHWB was the last President who served in WWII.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
10. The last vs. last surviving
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:50 AM
Dec 2018

As one who served his country honorably in WWII, Jimmy Carter's legacy deserves a proper clarification. As it was phrased, one gets the impression that, given the death of GHWB, there is no longer a former POTUS remaining from the generation who served in that war.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
12. He had a pretty darn good service record ...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:57 AM
Dec 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

Naval career

Carter had long dreamed of attending the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis. In 1941, he started undergraduate coursework in engineering at Georgia Southwestern College in nearby Americus. The following year, he transferred to the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, and he achieved admission to the Naval Academy in 1943. He was a good student but was seen as reserved and quiet, in contrast to the academy's culture of aggressive hazing of freshmen. While at the academy, Carter fell in love with his sister Ruth's friend Rosalynn Smith, whom he would marry shortly after his graduation in 1946.[7] He was a sprint football player for the Navy Midshipmen.[8] Carter graduated 60th out of 820 midshipmen in the class of 1946 with a Bachelor of Science degree and was commissioned as an ensign.[9] From 1946 to 1953, Carter and Rosalynn lived in Virginia, Hawaii, Connecticut, New York and California, during his deployments in the Atlantic and Pacific fleets.[10] In 1948, he began officers' training for submarine duty and served aboard USS Pomfret. He was promoted to lieutenant junior grade in 1949. In 1951 he became attached to the diesel/electric USS K-1, (a.k.a. USS Barracuda), qualified for command, and served in several duties including Executive Officer.[11]
President Jimmy Carter and Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, USN (far right) aboard the submarine USS Los Angeles in 1977

In 1952, Carter began an association with the US Navy's fledgling nuclear submarine program, then-led by Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover's demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover was the greatest influence on his life.[12] He was sent to the Naval Reactors Branch of the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, D.C. for three month temporary duty, while Rosalynn moved with their children to Schenectady, New York. On December 12, 1952, an accident with the experimental NRX reactor at Atomic Energy of Canada's Chalk River Laboratories caused a partial meltdown resulting in millions of liters of radioactive water flooding the reactor building's basement and leaving the reactor's core ruined.[13] Carter was ordered to Chalk River to lead a U.S. maintenance crew that joined other American and Canadian service personnel to assist in the shutdown of the reactor.[14] The painstaking process required each team member to don protective gear and be lowered individually into the reactor for a few minutes at a time, limiting their exposure to radioactivity while they disassembled the crippled reactor. During and after his presidency, Carter said that his experience at Chalk River had shaped his views on atomic energy and led him to cease development of a neutron bomb.[15]

In March 1953 Carter began nuclear power school, a six-month non-credit course covering nuclear power plant operation at Union College in Schenectady,[10] with the intent to eventually work aboard USS Seawolf, which was planned to be one of the first two U.S. nuclear submarines. However, Carter's father died two months before construction of Seawolf began, and Carter sought and obtained a release from active duty to enable him to take over the family peanut business. Deciding to leave Schenectady proved difficult. Settling after moving so much, Rosalynn had grown comfortable with their life. Returning to small-town life in Plains seemed "a monumental step backward," she said later. On the other hand, Carter felt restricted by the rigidity of the military and yearned to assume a path more like his father's. Carter left active duty on October 9, 1953.[16][17] He served in the inactive Navy Reserve until 1961, and left the service with the rank of lieutenant.[18]

His awards included the American Campaign Medal, World War II Victory Medal, China Service Medal, and National Defense Service Medal.[19]

onenote

(42,590 posts)
13. Who of that generation served as president after GWHB?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

No one. Every president serving after GWHB was born after WWII ended.

I think you misunderstood the statement you are criticizing.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
15. The navy has always been the red headed stepchild of the armed forces
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:29 AM
Dec 2018

never gets no respect, as Rodney always says.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
43. Coming from a family of Marines, father, brother, cousins, uncles
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:42 PM
Dec 2018

I've heard them talking about the navy from time to time, all in good fun though But the Marines are really the red heading step children of the armed forces, get all the crappy hand-me-downs, outdated weapons, vehicles, first in, last out.

whopis01

(3,491 posts)
56. I get it - have family in both the Marines and Navy
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:09 PM
Dec 2018

I had a friend who was in the Coast Guard - He would say something along the lines of "The other military branches would give the Coast Guard a hard time. But only when they remembered it was part of the military as well".

erronis

(15,181 posts)
19. But I expect most of the world will remember President Carter positively
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:48 AM
Dec 2018

And he's still doing positive things for the planet.

llmart

(15,533 posts)
37. I haven't watched one minute of the coverage...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:26 PM
Dec 2018

I come to DU to get my news and can learn what's going on to the extent I want to on whatever topic I'm interested in. I did however have the thought this morning about how the hell long does this go on? I felt the same thing about Aretha Franklin. Jeebus. The guy lived to be 94. That's long past what the life expectancy was for a male born when he was. Ah yes, the wealthy get the best care of everyone.

Also, Jimmy Carter and Rosalyn Carter have done more for humanity than the Bushes ever did. But they are humble people and will probably make plans ahead of time for how much pomp and circumstance they want.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
20. Conservative reality -- History as seen through the glass eye of the beholder.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:04 PM
Dec 2018

I didn't witness what Fuckie Todd, Brokaw and Nicole Wallace said, but I'd certainly imagine it might not being factually correct.

oldlibdem

(330 posts)
28. I'm so sick of turning on MSNBC and listening to everyone gush over Pappy Bush!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:15 PM
Dec 2018

The man was a piece of shit! Countless people died needlesly due to his oil war and he was tone deaf to the poor and destitute in America!

Kaleva

(36,251 posts)
32. I don't understand why you do it then.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:18 PM
Dec 2018

There's so much more to life then sitting in front of the idiot box.

Kaleva

(36,251 posts)
41. I didn't say you sit in front of the idiot box all day did I? This is what you said:
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:38 PM
Dec 2018

" I'm so sick of turning on MSNBC and listening to everyone gush over Pappy Bush!"

I asked you why you do that, turn on MSNBC. And I then said that there's more to life then sitting in front of the idiot box. Why turn on the tv at all especially if what you watch controls your emotions so much? Wouldn't life be so much better if you were in control?

Response to Kaleva (Reply #41)

BannonsLiver

(16,296 posts)
40. +1
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:34 PM
Dec 2018

A lot of those types of posts floating around this place since last Friday. But the deletion won’t happen. Recs and views trump facts with some. It’s Pavlovian.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
51. It's getting pretty gross.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:11 PM
Dec 2018

The response to the death of a republican does certainly seem to elicit a "type" of response... pavlovian. I cant think of another word to describe it.

LakeArenal

(28,803 posts)
45. What a semantics war..
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 12:50 PM
Dec 2018

The message is GHWB is not some extra moral, extra patriotic, dead politician.

Others have served as he is. That many here think deserve more kudos than he, they just aren't dead yet.

With a tinge of: Quit whitewashing this war, profit, and conservative mongering Republican.

PS DICK CHENEY

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
57. Carter was in the Naval Academy during WW2
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:37 PM
Dec 2018

and didn't graduate until 1946 months after Japan surrendered...

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