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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFuckie Todd, Brokaw and Nicole Wallace he is not the last of his generation who served
as President. Jimmy Carter served the navy with distinction.
Present facts or STFU
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe HW was president AFTER Carter, which would make him the "last of his generation who served as president".
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The statement is:
"The last of his generation to serve as president".
Between Carter and Bush, which one served last as president?
The statement can be taken two ways, I suppose. But it is pretty obvious to me that, taken directly, between Carter and HW, that HW was the "last of his generation to serve as president".
AFTER HW, it's been people who were two young to have served in WWII - Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump.
HW was the LAST president to have served in WWII like - Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and HW Bush - all served in the military in WW2. Of them HW was the "last". Starting with Clinton, no president has served in ww2.
malaise
(268,702 posts)I thought Nancy Gibbs was the most accurate
sdfernando
(4,925 posts)most people would take it to mean that they are saying there are no more, which is patently false. The correct statement would be "The latest of his generation to serve as president".
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Jimmy Carter is the last of his generation to have served as president.
The OP is correct.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He was the last one from WWII to be elected President. All others after him were born after WWII. (Carter was from the Greatest Generation, but he was elected before GHWB, making GWHB the last one to have been elected.)
malaise
(268,702 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Of course he is not the last of his generation to die.
But that's not the statement in question.
The statement in question is "last of his generation to have served as president".
HW is the last president who served in WW2.
Baltimike
(4,138 posts)somebody ought to let him know...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...in order to travel into the future and be the last president to have been in the service during WWII?
Carter was not the last of his generation to have served as president. There were two presidents after Carter who were in the service during WWII.
He is the last living one, but that is reading a qualifier into the statement which is not there.
Baltimike
(4,138 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)onenote
(42,590 posts)while Kennedy is older (he would be 101 today) he isn't that much older and would be the same generation.
onenote
(42,590 posts)Then it logically follows that GHWB was the last of that generation to serve as president since no one of that generation was president after him.
I should note that one might argue that Ike was the first of the WWII generation to serve as President since he served in the war.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)For signing up before the end of 1945, even though he actually didn't go on active duty until 1946.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)The last WWII vet to serve as president is different than the last living WWII vet to serve as president
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)were born after WWII."
But they're speaking off the cuff. We all would word things better if we were writing something to publish, as opposed to just talking.
lark
(23,062 posts)He actually worked for the good of the common people, and they hate that, so relegate him to invisibility almost constantly. Makes me sick.
onenote
(42,590 posts)is undeniably factual.
Here is the list of those who served as president after GWHB:
Clinton
Bush II
Obama
Trump
Every one of them born after WWII ended.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Pres Carter didn't graduate Annapolis until 1946 so was too young to serve in WWII. I'm pretty sure that's what they mean. GHWB was the last President who served in WWII.
Zambero
(8,962 posts)As one who served his country honorably in WWII, Jimmy Carter's legacy deserves a proper clarification. As it was phrased, one gets the impression that, given the death of GHWB, there is no longer a former POTUS remaining from the generation who served in that war.
brooklynite
(94,354 posts)This is not a reference to all Veterans; it's a reference to WW2 Veterans.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)Naval career
Carter had long dreamed of attending the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis. In 1941, he started undergraduate coursework in engineering at Georgia Southwestern College in nearby Americus. The following year, he transferred to the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, and he achieved admission to the Naval Academy in 1943. He was a good student but was seen as reserved and quiet, in contrast to the academy's culture of aggressive hazing of freshmen. While at the academy, Carter fell in love with his sister Ruth's friend Rosalynn Smith, whom he would marry shortly after his graduation in 1946.[7] He was a sprint football player for the Navy Midshipmen.[8] Carter graduated 60th out of 820 midshipmen in the class of 1946 with a Bachelor of Science degree and was commissioned as an ensign.[9] From 1946 to 1953, Carter and Rosalynn lived in Virginia, Hawaii, Connecticut, New York and California, during his deployments in the Atlantic and Pacific fleets.[10] In 1948, he began officers' training for submarine duty and served aboard USS Pomfret. He was promoted to lieutenant junior grade in 1949. In 1951 he became attached to the diesel/electric USS K-1, (a.k.a. USS Barracuda), qualified for command, and served in several duties including Executive Officer.[11]
President Jimmy Carter and Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, USN (far right) aboard the submarine USS Los Angeles in 1977
In 1952, Carter began an association with the US Navy's fledgling nuclear submarine program, then-led by Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover's demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover was the greatest influence on his life.[12] He was sent to the Naval Reactors Branch of the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, D.C. for three month temporary duty, while Rosalynn moved with their children to Schenectady, New York. On December 12, 1952, an accident with the experimental NRX reactor at Atomic Energy of Canada's Chalk River Laboratories caused a partial meltdown resulting in millions of liters of radioactive water flooding the reactor building's basement and leaving the reactor's core ruined.[13] Carter was ordered to Chalk River to lead a U.S. maintenance crew that joined other American and Canadian service personnel to assist in the shutdown of the reactor.[14] The painstaking process required each team member to don protective gear and be lowered individually into the reactor for a few minutes at a time, limiting their exposure to radioactivity while they disassembled the crippled reactor. During and after his presidency, Carter said that his experience at Chalk River had shaped his views on atomic energy and led him to cease development of a neutron bomb.[15]
In March 1953 Carter began nuclear power school, a six-month non-credit course covering nuclear power plant operation at Union College in Schenectady,[10] with the intent to eventually work aboard USS Seawolf, which was planned to be one of the first two U.S. nuclear submarines. However, Carter's father died two months before construction of Seawolf began, and Carter sought and obtained a release from active duty to enable him to take over the family peanut business. Deciding to leave Schenectady proved difficult. Settling after moving so much, Rosalynn had grown comfortable with their life. Returning to small-town life in Plains seemed "a monumental step backward," she said later. On the other hand, Carter felt restricted by the rigidity of the military and yearned to assume a path more like his father's. Carter left active duty on October 9, 1953.[16][17] He served in the inactive Navy Reserve until 1961, and left the service with the rank of lieutenant.[18]
His awards included the American Campaign Medal, World War II Victory Medal, China Service Medal, and National Defense Service Medal.[19]
onenote
(42,590 posts)No one. Every president serving after GWHB was born after WWII ended.
I think you misunderstood the statement you are criticizing.
elmac
(4,642 posts)never gets no respect, as Rodney always says.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Nt
whopis01
(3,491 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)I've heard them talking about the navy from time to time, all in good fun though But the Marines are really the red heading step children of the armed forces, get all the crappy hand-me-downs, outdated weapons, vehicles, first in, last out.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)I had a friend who was in the Coast Guard - He would say something along the lines of "The other military branches would give the Coast Guard a hard time. But only when they remembered it was part of the military as well".
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)By the corporate media when he leaves us?
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)erronis
(15,181 posts)And he's still doing positive things for the planet.
llmart
(15,533 posts)I come to DU to get my news and can learn what's going on to the extent I want to on whatever topic I'm interested in. I did however have the thought this morning about how the hell long does this go on? I felt the same thing about Aretha Franklin. Jeebus. The guy lived to be 94. That's long past what the life expectancy was for a male born when he was. Ah yes, the wealthy get the best care of everyone.
Also, Jimmy Carter and Rosalyn Carter have done more for humanity than the Bushes ever did. But they are humble people and will probably make plans ahead of time for how much pomp and circumstance they want.
malaise
(268,702 posts)Fuck them
ffr
(22,665 posts)I didn't witness what Fuckie Todd, Brokaw and Nicole Wallace said, but I'd certainly imagine it might not being factually correct.
Kaleva
(36,251 posts)"Tom Brokaw: Bush The Final President From The 'Greatest Generation'"
https://www.haystack.tv/v/tom-brokaw-bush-final-president-greatest-generation
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)oldlibdem
(330 posts)The man was a piece of shit! Countless people died needlesly due to his oil war and he was tone deaf to the poor and destitute in America!
Kaleva
(36,251 posts)There's so much more to life then sitting in front of the idiot box.
oldlibdem
(330 posts)And who asked you anyways?
Kaleva
(36,251 posts)" I'm so sick of turning on MSNBC and listening to everyone gush over Pappy Bush!"
I asked you why you do that, turn on MSNBC. And I then said that there's more to life then sitting in front of the idiot box. Why turn on the tv at all especially if what you watch controls your emotions so much? Wouldn't life be so much better if you were in control?
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Kaleva
(36,251 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)onenote
(42,590 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)A lot of those types of posts floating around this place since last Friday. But the deletion wont happen. Recs and views trump facts with some. Its Pavlovian.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)The response to the death of a republican does certainly seem to elicit a "type" of response... pavlovian. I cant think of another word to describe it.
Sneederbunk
(14,278 posts)LakeArenal
(28,803 posts)The message is GHWB is not some extra moral, extra patriotic, dead politician.
Others have served as he is. That many here think deserve more kudos than he, they just aren't dead yet.
With a tinge of: Quit whitewashing this war, profit, and conservative mongering Republican.
PS DICK CHENEY
joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)and didn't graduate until 1946 months after Japan surrendered...