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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump sat - jacket open, arms crossed, red-faced while the former PM of Canada eviscerated him
by praising HWB for his leadership, saying every head of state in the world knew they were dealing with a true leader and a gentleman - praising HWB for his participation in environmental protections that ensured Canadians and Americans enjoyed beautiful forests, clean waters and air. He also spoke of HWB's selflessness in service to and for his country, rather than self.
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)president weve ever had. Hes done nothing for the world or humanity.
jcgoldie
(11,610 posts)His actions are going to have long term effects on the world unfortunately.
C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)That's a forgettable person... even if his misdeeds linger
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Drumpf does not fit in that category... His actions will go down much like Hitler in their notoriety. His name will become synonymous with hate and negativity. Not to sure Donald will last as a preferred name for several generations.
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C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)His buildings will no longer be adorned in garish logos.
No roads or airports or battleships or schools will carry his name.
His damage will be repaired, in time... and no one will remember
a single good thing about the guy. Poof.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)He's definitely the WORST president we've ever had (those previously considered "the worst" presidents never reached his degree of self-serving malevolence and greed in such a short time. Most were mainly inept or corruptible: Trump is inept, AND both a corrupter and corruptible). His hero, Jackson, may have come close in some ways, but he WAS a military leader and a lawyer with governing experience. Trump has wrecked (or TRIED to) an amazing amount of international mayhem in less than two years. Worse, his obvious ignorance of history and government is less than many C level high school graduates. For the U.S. to have depend on other democratic world leaders to save us, is of little hope due to the damage Trump has thus far inflicted on them.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)jcgoldie
(11,610 posts)Personally I think the environmental impact of the Trump administration alone is disastrous.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,986 posts)There will be no memorials touting Trump's goodness. Being a pariah may make you infamous but no one will honor you in remembrance. Hence, Trump is forgettable.
agree
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)That is his prison. That is his hell.
SergeStorms
(19,166 posts)in federal prison.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Provided the Republic survives his Presidency and GOP cheating.
ooky
(8,905 posts)the clown presidency, as a joke. A very bad joke, and very bad mistake by Americans to elect a totally unqualified person to lead America. Historians will write of his lies, his corruption, his ill informed trade decisions, his "wall idiocy", his lawlessness and repeated attempts to circumvent the constitution with illegal executive orders, and his foreign policy of bowing down to dictators and isolating himself from U.S. allies.
As president, historians will regard him as a blithering idiot.
lark
(23,059 posts)He will be depicted as the person who tried to destroy America's values, standing and constitution for his own personal profit and to enrich Russia by picking up all the things drumpf fucks up, like getting China's soybean contract worth billions when drumpf jacked up the prices by imposing huge tarriffs and like hurting NATO so Russia could successfully steal back Ukraine (and possibly other former Soviet bloc countries as well). They will ask how Americans could lose their minds and support this obviously criminal traitor and this will be discussed for decades at a minimum.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Let's see...lies, fear, collusion, divisiveness, name calling, and keep going.
That will play well with historians and anyone with a fleck of decency.
Forget about issue questions. I really wish one of these reporters would ask Trump if he has any idea how history will view him. Then don't sit down without rattling off a list similar to my first sentence above.
roscoeroscoe
(1,369 posts)This could be a loooong day for 45
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)That was a great gut punch to the blowhard, especially when sitting next to President Obama.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)For improving it and revamping it? Was that with reference to Obama? Guess I was thinking wrong because a lot of people say NAFTA was only tweeked and not completely eliminated.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)of GHWB's part in the creation of NAFTA. My understanding is that tRump is still threatening to withdraw from NAFTA - what's to praise there?
My reference to President Obama was merely due to the shade thrown at tRump in BHO's presence.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I did hear him praise the people the presidents who have tried to improve and update NAFTA over the years. Because I am not up to speed I just assumed he was talking about dingbat.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)eloquent command of the English language was never more on display than today.
Thank you, Sir, from those of us who remember you and your poise and grace on the international stage. You made Canada proud.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)His eulogy was the best I've heard. Beautifully written and beautifully spoken. Loved it. I could tell GWB and the family loved it, too.
catbyte
(34,329 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Link to tweet
omfg, Trump is getting trolled so hard at George H.W. Bush's funeral. The speakers are very pointedly praising NATO, NAFTA, & the Clean Air Act, and warning against "giving into our worst impulses."
... and Trump, per usual, looks like a petulant child.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)he even gets it...the trolling.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)he most likely doesn't get it... his interpretation skews all things to support his behavior...
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)His posture, his body language, his facial expressions couldn't have been MORE telling. He knew he was being compared to someone who has more class, integrity, courage and dignity that he would ever possible hope to have.
It couldn't have been more obvious. Remember a picture speak a thousand words.
3catwoman3
(23,943 posts)...look like a petulant child, he IS a petulant child.
calimary
(81,091 posts)observations with my husband. Made him look!
Sure enough, after the minister finished and the shot was back on the row of Presidents, he noticed how the Obamas, the Clintons, and Jimmy Carter could be seen looking touched and pleasantly contemplative. And there was trump, sitting visibly uncomfortably, with that pout on his face. Nothing for or about ME! WAAAAAAHHHH!
Actually, dude, a LOT of this IS about you. And what you ARENT.
Suck it up, donald. You have nobody to blame but your stupid, selfish, thoughtless, reckless, and greedy self.
George II
(67,782 posts)....just can't take all the contrived speeches.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)today.
George II
(67,782 posts)....he was such a shithead when he was younger that he was kicked in the scrotum countless times and learned to protect himself.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)A very short extension, apparently.
gopiscrap
(23,725 posts)calimary
(81,091 posts)Thou winnest the Internet!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,582 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)LuckyLib
(6,817 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,636 posts)And dense to realize he is being trolled publicly in real time
calimary
(81,091 posts)That ones gonna grow on me.
central scrutinizer
(11,636 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)calimary
(81,091 posts)He was trying to figure out which fish it was that reminded him of trump. Lamprey? No. Grouper? No not that either. Anglerfish. Found it in Wikipedia. He showed it to me. Said its name was Donald.
But it makes great deals...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This peculiar misinterpretation of what's happening dishonors not just the speakers, not just the man who just died, not just his family and those who knew him as a friend, but our nation and its people. The imaginary twisting of every respectful comment into an upholstery pin being used to attack Trump is not a true picture of how most people think.
It may say something about a malice that's taken over some politically-oriented minds in these anxious times, but nothing about what is in the minds of those who have much bigger and better things to contemplate. And of course those not watching at all, which is most Americans by far.
+1
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Highlighting anothers accomplishments do not necessarily denigrate the inaction of another.... even if the contrast is striking
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And the contrast, which may not have been intentional is both on point and stark
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,582 posts)intentional trolling of Trump but they really are not, and it dishonors the occasion to assume they are. The speakers are eulogizing GHWB, not criticizing Trump - but the contrast between the two (actually, between Trump and any normal person) is so striking that it's tempting to interpret the comments as intentionally directed at Trump. But we shouldn't do that. That's letting Trump live rent-free in our heads.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)If it was my father or my friend who died and held great qualities in my mind I would want people to know how different he was then the person who holds the office today. I am sure it is something people think about all the time watching Trump.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,582 posts)It's inevitable that comparisons will be made because Trump is so uniquely awful, but even if Hillary or someone else were president now, I think the eulogies would be the same.
Louis1895
(768 posts)I totally agree with you.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We used to live in villages which through tradition and collective wisdom set limits for acceptable behavior. Now that we're suddenly free of most constraints, we each need to do that for ourselves. Not copy people who imagine a man who cannot must be far worse than those who will not.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Given how insecure and sensitive Individual I is ... you can easily imagine HIM perceiving it this way ... and that's the fun of it. Even if nobody is ACTUALLY purposefully trolling him, he's just the type to see it that way.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Of someone who died and comparing it 2 a successor who has none of those qualities. I think it's a disservice to the person who died not to mention. And by the way, this is a political form, right
calimary
(81,091 posts)President is supposed to be.
Im no gushing fan of GHWB. He definitely had his faults. But the contrast is literally staggering. And I think we can all use a reminder about how its supposed to be. Having a respectable example of at least some dignity in office, rather than the revolting and utterly humiliating slap-in-the-face/punch-in-the-gut indignity that were currently suffering through.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)be good and decent people. You can just tell this must be true just by the way his family and friends talked about him. Same with McCain. Sadly, it is apparent that it is not possible for -45 to all of a sudden learn dignity and compassion. Unless maybe someone kidnapped him and gave him a couple years of intense therapy in a monk's retreat somewhere.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)they are all actual, sensible, thoughtful human beings. I have little doubt that Trump himself is rolling around every word, dissecting every turn of phrase, in his head, looking for insults and slights.
Chemisse
(30,802 posts)That would be sweet.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)Would not be surprising in the least.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I hope I am alive to witness. Right up there with cheney, Rumsfeld, Gingrich, and the other vile scourges.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Probably way too subtle for IQ.
Shrub was subtle too but got some zingers in....treating opposition never with malice. That was my favorite
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Cant join in song or prayer, because it is totally alien to this heathen jackass.
Not a smile or a tear. NO emotion at all. A deplorable, shame-filled and disgusting con artist thug.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,582 posts)Too "popish." Episcopalians are liberals and heretics.
TNNurse
(6,924 posts)His clothes do not fit well, he is overweight and droopy. He has absolutely no class, no taste and no ability to look dignified.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)Or his dirty seed as a stand in, and he has to sit and listen to praises of their lives which are always the opposite of how he leads his life, and now "leads" the country, is so revealing.
He desperately wants that kind of adulation as well, yet he is cursed with an attitude and brain, of an arrogant, spoiled, bratty, mean, 6 year child.
I think he sits through these things envious of all that adulation, and that WHAT they are actually praising them for goes right over his head. Its just the act of adulation that he is interested in. For what, and from who, it doesn't matter. Thus he, being lazy, went for the low hanging fruit, the racists, the woman haters, the evangelicals, those that have been marginalized and ridiculed in society, the ones that were desperate for someone to come out and support them publicly, tell them what they wanted to hear. A crowd's a crowd to him. He's probably also thinking how he's never seen so many losers. And how his funeral will be much better attended. Largest funeral ever.
red dog 1
(27,757 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)many of my classmates and myself as we eagerly awaited the end of class so we could scurry to the football stadium for seats. We sat the same way, books closed, crouched forward, not paying attention, just waiting for the words "class dismissed" to be uttered.
turbinetree
(24,683 posts)he kept playing patty cake with himself.................what a disgrace....................like he was bored..................
Dumb shit finally figured it out that you don't salute to the military ........................if you are not in uniform..................
And Hillary Clinton didn't want to shake his hand................................
calimary
(81,091 posts)I heard someone on CNN say she didn't even look at him. I wouldn't, either.
That's okay. Solemn occasion. Decorum preserved.
turbinetree
(24,683 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Brian Mulroney may or may not have been thinking of Trump when he spoke; he was most certainly thinking of GHWB though. The fact that Trump seemed to think it was about him says more about Trump than about Mulroney and his speech.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)oasis
(49,322 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,565 posts)and those with disabilities.
"And on his watch, a wall fell in Berlin, a dictator's aggression did not stand, and doors across America opened to those with disabilities".
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a25412042/jon-meacham-george-hw-bush-funeral-eulogy-transcript/
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)it was. Just revolting.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)He does it every time. Everyone else in that row was leaning back comfortably
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,563 posts)I hate to stand in long lines.