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(22,665 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:46 PM Dec 2018

FBI Expert Suggests Michael Flynn May Have Worn a Wire in Conversations With Trump

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MSNBC’s Morning Joe called on Frank Figluzzi to come in and help explain the memo. Figluzzi was formerly an Assistant Director for Counterintelligence at the FBI and is familiar with Robert Mueller’s methods.
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Figluzzi said, “We saw lots of redaction. You do that in the FBI either when you have classified information or you are at such a sensitivity level that you cannot expose it.”

Figluzzi also felt the light sentence and amount of redactions meant the investigation was aiming for convictions at the highest levels. He continued, “I think, in fact, that underneath these redactions, if we were to lift these black magic marker points out, we would see people with the last name Trump or Kushner.

Finally, Figluzzi ended the segment with a bombshell suggestion; Flynn may have worn a wire. He told the panel, “We see reference here to quick cooperation by Flynn. What does that mean? Did it happen in what we call the golden hour, where you could even wire somebody up and have him share communications in real time?” - HillReporter.com


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FBI Expert Suggests Michael Flynn May Have Worn a Wire in Conversations With Trump (Original Post) ffr Dec 2018 OP
Imagine the kind of smoking gun that would be YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #1
All insignia of rank should be torn from his uniform... Harker Dec 2018 #2
Does a civilian felony Sgent Dec 2018 #4
So far, what I've seen Harker Dec 2018 #9
Agree with every last word of this post. John Fante Dec 2018 #7
His military pension should be reduced grantcart Dec 2018 #8
Instead, he'll be rehabilitated (among the right) like Oliver North Harker Dec 2018 #11
Wrong. He snitched against their hero. 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #15
But he will be able to look in the mirror and not puke RainCaster Dec 2018 #23
Tradition. Marcuse Dec 2018 #22
No way to treat Lucas McCain. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #26
We used to watch that show. 2naSalit Dec 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Spider Jerusalem Dec 2018 #37
how did flynn keep his composure.. was he feeling guilty.... samnsara Dec 2018 #3
I don't think his sort feels guilt. Harker Dec 2018 #12
Obviously Flynn is the small fish Major Nikon Dec 2018 #5
Wowie zowie Me. Dec 2018 #6
Oooohh, that's gonna hurt. louis-t Dec 2018 #10
If it's a live circuit, then even the tiniest hint of connection to criminal activity counts. lindysalsagal Dec 2018 #13
Oh Lordy, . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #14
Is there any way to put an end to this nuance... ThoughtCriminal Dec 2018 #16
Heard this three times today Jarqui Dec 2018 #17
Lordy I hope there are tapes. nycbos Dec 2018 #18
WHEN would he have worn a wire? Takket Dec 2018 #19
those days between when it became public and when he resigned? 2naSalit Dec 2018 #29
If we want to fix this hot mess, warmfeet Dec 2018 #20
Such a development would make Mob-boss-in-chief unhappy. Hassler Dec 2018 #21
I've been thinking about this deal with Flynn Jarqui Dec 2018 #24
I heard that today too. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #28
I looked over his docs and did not see where they gave him Jarqui Dec 2018 #31
Congressman Schiff is onto all of it BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #33
Rachel Maddow did some really good reporting on Pence and Jarqui Dec 2018 #34
Great! BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #36
I am usually skeptical that anything is going to amount to much but this could be explosive! Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #25
Gonna have to 2naSalit Dec 2018 #30
Trump can't just take Flynn out on a boat like Tony Soprano did to "Big Pussy"! brewens Dec 2018 #32
Thinking out loud--could Flynn have been a FBI plant mchill Dec 2018 #35
That would explain the statement in the Manafort cooperation agreement about Manafort agreeing to Mc Mike Dec 2018 #38
from his lips to ....... KICK MFGsunny Dec 2018 #39
LOL ck4829 May 2019 #40

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
1. Imagine the kind of smoking gun that would be
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:50 PM
Dec 2018

Trump’s voice on tape, talking about contacting the Russians or about obstruction of justice.

Harker

(13,988 posts)
2. All insignia of rank should be torn from his uniform...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:52 PM
Dec 2018

and if he has a sword somewhere, it should be broken over a knee.

That said... I hope he provided lots of tape!

Harker

(13,988 posts)
9. So far, what I've seen
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:08 PM
Dec 2018

indicates that his rank and pension are secure, but his uniform is hanging in a closet somewhere. He should surrender it.

Harker

(13,988 posts)
11. Instead, he'll be rehabilitated (among the right) like Oliver North
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:26 PM
Dec 2018

and they'll come to adore him as a speaker and as a consultant.

2naSalit

(86,369 posts)
27. We used to watch that show.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:49 PM
Dec 2018

And this is exactly what I think of every time I see a picture of him, and the other "members," in uniform.

Response to Harker (Reply #2)

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
3. how did flynn keep his composure.. was he feeling guilty....
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:53 PM
Dec 2018

….relieved? did he press trump for certain info? I cant wait to see he movie!!..or read Flynns book....

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
13. If it's a live circuit, then even the tiniest hint of connection to criminal activity counts.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:37 PM
Dec 2018

Just doing business with russian banks and companies under sanctions is enough.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
14. Oh Lordy, . . .
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:39 PM
Dec 2018

Let there be tapes!

Then maybe I won't have acid indigestion every time I think of General Flynn walking free.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
17. Heard this three times today
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:08 PM
Dec 2018

Once on CNN (I think - someone with Isikoff - not positive except I heard it somewhere else) and Malcom Nance on Stephanie Miller

Takket

(21,529 posts)
19. WHEN would he have worn a wire?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:29 PM
Dec 2018

He certainly wasn't wearing one when he was working with drumpf and once he resigned they weren't communicating after that.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
20. If we want to fix this hot mess,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:32 PM
Dec 2018

everyone within earshot of the orange dump should wear a wire. Please make this end now!

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
24. I've been thinking about this deal with Flynn
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:07 PM
Dec 2018

Why now? They might need him to testify. They might need him for future help when they get into the cases - like Gates was needed for the Manafort trial (not just for testimony).

This plea deal addresses one charge of lying to law enforcement. He was taking money from the Russians and Turkey, etc. He was undercutting Obama's sanctions. etc. The memo doesn't get into that.

The answer likely is: they could get Flynn on something else. The redacted lines tend to back that up roughly. Those redacted lines suggest multiple other people got fingered, there is a lot more crap to come - other things they are looking at and Flynn has been very useful because he had a front row seat and was involved to some extent in this stuff.

Trump would know that. It's partly why he pressed Comey to lay off Flynn and then fired Comey when Comey wouldn't let up on Flynn. Comey was getting too close.

This is starting to make more sense to me. I suspect Trump and his cabal are more worried than they were yesterday.

If Mueller has found crimes against the country, like espionage or treason, how is Whittaker going to look if he gets in the way of that and fires Mueller? He can't hide any more because some of it is in the Flynn sentencing memo that belongs to the court now.

More than ever, I think Trump & Co are in real trouble and they're way out of their league against Mueller.

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
28. I heard that today too.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:50 PM
Dec 2018

Even if he is fired a lot of necessary and incriminating stuff is still in that memo.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
31. I looked over his docs and did not see where they gave him
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:08 PM
Dec 2018

blanket immunity. Maybe I missed something. But I doubt it because when they cut the deal with him, it was a year ago or more - they were still trying to figure out what went on. They wouldn't know all the crimes back then.

I didn't hear what I said in my prior post today. It just came to me when I was thinking about it - trying to figure out why they bothered to do this now.

Part of it is that Trump has had most of the narrative. Mueller hasn't said a thing except through these filings/arrests. This effort with Flynn, Cohen and Manafort get the fruits of Mueller's efforts back into the public consciousness with a key difference: Mueller is dealing with criminal facts. Trump is presenting mostly lies and BS in response.

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
33. Congressman Schiff is onto all of it
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:52 PM
Dec 2018

and he mentioned Pence along with Kushner as lying to the public about Flynn just now on MSNBC. Mueller had to wait until after the midterms and for tRump to finish answering his questions in writing. I really do believe Pence, Kushner and Don Jr are going down big time now. I hardly ever hear Pence mentioned so this is meaningful.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
34. Rachel Maddow did some really good reporting on Pence and
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:02 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:00 AM - Edit history (1)

the transition team - roughly a year ago.

She nailed them on lying.

I don't know if this is her best on that subject. But it is one of a series she did digging into Pence and the transition team



It happened to pop up on Youtube when I tried to find something on it for you

Quixote1818

(28,921 posts)
25. I am usually skeptical that anything is going to amount to much but this could be explosive!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:36 PM
Dec 2018

If they have Trump or whomever on tape saying all kinds of incriminating shit, holy fuck! Safeway won't have enough popcorn for what might be coming down the pike.

brewens

(13,547 posts)
32. Trump can't just take Flynn out on a boat like Tony Soprano did to "Big Pussy"!
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:12 PM
Dec 2018

I felt kind of sorry for "Puss", he was only dealing heroin after all. You'd have to sell a lot of heroin to do as much damage as these criminals. "Puss" got set up and wore a wire on Tony.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
35. Thinking out loud--could Flynn have been a FBI plant
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 11:41 PM
Dec 2018

From the get go? He joined the campaign in Feb 2016.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
38. That would explain the statement in the Manafort cooperation agreement about Manafort agreeing to
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:22 AM
Dec 2018

wear a wire.

Nobody is saying anything to Manafort that is recordable, at this point. But the statement does send a signal to tRump & co about what Mueller may have done already. What Mueller defines as standard cooperation agreement language and behavior.

Ratcheting up the pressure on Il Douche A.

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