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Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:39 PM Aug 2012

Keeping kids ignorant in the bible belt

1. Missouri has amended its constitution as follows:

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2012ballot/fulltext_1.pdf

Most of the rights mentioned here are already protected by the US Constitution and other laws. What's new is that "no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs". If a kid wants to avoid thinking about a particular topic, say evolution or global warming, new he or she can easily do so. Of course, that was the whole idea of the amendment.

2. Some Kentucky legislators don't want evolution in the state science standards. State senator David Givens said: "I would hope that creationism is presented as a theory in the classroom, in a science classroom, alongside evolution." State Representative Ben Waite said: "The theory of evolution is a theory, and ... is not science -- Darwin made it up." Both of these idiots are Republicans, thank Darwin.

Kentucky is the only State where teachers are officially encouraged to teach creationism as science:

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/158-00/177.PDF

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Keeping kids ignorant in the bible belt (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 OP
You know what the tragic thing is? They REALLY think they're helping children. Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #1
The ironic thing about Christian fundamentalism.... YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #2
Christian fundamentalism may be modern as opposed to ancient or medieval, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #9
It was prevelent in the Dark Ages. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #10
They'd Love to do a New Edition of the Spanish Inquisition AndyTiedye Aug 2012 #17
God help those kids! (pun intended) CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #3
The sad thing is that these kids are going to have to compete with kids from other states gollygee Aug 2012 #4
Kids in California aren't much better off. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #12
Not just the current crop of kids they ruin LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #5
They don't want "fiscal conservatism" in government YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #6
Which raises the following question... Volaris Aug 2012 #16
I agree 100%, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #7
I agree 100%, LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #18
Being from California, I've always been puzzled by the term "Midwest". Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #19
This I am sure of: The stupider your children are the worse world they will live in. 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #8
They probably figure that their kids are going to heaven... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #11
Right. Since the only purpose of this life is to prepare for the next one, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #13
The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are laughing hifiguy Aug 2012 #14
One thing those Asians can agree on Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #15

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
1. You know what the tragic thing is? They REALLY think they're helping children.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:41 PM
Aug 2012

Believing in God is one thing, but wow... I feel bad for those kids.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
9. Christian fundamentalism may be modern as opposed to ancient or medieval,
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:14 PM
Aug 2012

but I suspect the the drive to return to the fundamentals has been around forever.

In 1517, Martin Luther wanted to restore earlier standards in the Roman Catholic Church. Hence the "Reformation".

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. It was prevelent in the Dark Ages.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:17 PM
Aug 2012

Fundies want to return to that golden age... dragging us with them.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,516 posts)
3. God help those kids! (pun intended)
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

These people are barking mad.

This post reminds me of a saying I've heard: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. The sad thing is that these kids are going to have to compete with kids from other states
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:45 PM
Aug 2012

who are getting real educations for spots at universities and eventually jobs. They are making things harder for their own kids.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
12. Kids in California aren't much better off.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:16 PM
Aug 2012

When I was in high school, no teacher would dare speak the bad "E" word.

There are still lots of creationists teaching biology, and not just in high schools. I know one who teaches in a community college. He doesn't teach evolution; he attacks it.

A biologist I know at a CSU campus says their beginning course for biology majors has to emphasize evolution, because the kids coming out of high school need remedial education in the subject.

LiveNudePolitics

(285 posts)
5. Not just the current crop of kids they ruin
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
Aug 2012

The crazy personhood and abortion laws the same gang passes with more and more frequency are also detrimental to our society. Surprising from the same folks who want fiscal conservatism in govt......Won't all the kids born as a result of abortion bans and Planned Parenthood underfunding cause additional debt? Why would we ever allow the procreation police to roll back reproductive rights? http://livenudepolitics.com/?p=2155

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
6. They don't want "fiscal conservatism" in government
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:50 PM
Aug 2012

They want the government to enforce "morality" (aka far-right Christian theocracy) on the population.

When they say "fiscal conservative', that's code for cutting programs that they don't like-namely, social spending on the poor, public education, etc. They are happy to use government in the service of their own warped ideology.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
16. Which raises the following question...
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

can any "choice" forced down by government REALLY be a morally correct choice? I think not, and it undermines the idea that Free Will is a good (or even existent) thing, which supports causal determinism as a basis for, well, basically EVERYTHING, which shreds any argument for Creationism as a science (or explanation for anything).

Watching these people destroy their own arguments is so much fun I almost think I should be charged a fee.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
19. Being from California, I've always been puzzled by the term "Midwest".
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:00 PM
Aug 2012

I think it means states that are about twice as far from the Pacific as from the Atlantic Ocean. Maybe it should be called the "Mideast".

According to Wikipedia, the cast member of Teen Mom are Maci Bookout from Tennessee, Farrah Abraham from Iowa, Catelynn Lowell from Michigan, and Amber Portwood from Indiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Mom

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
8. This I am sure of: The stupider your children are the worse world they will live in.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

And so the question becomes, do they want their children to grow up into a worse world than the one we did? To have once known something and then to have purposefully become ignorant of it deprives the world of its most important resource, information.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,516 posts)
11. They probably figure that their kids are going to heaven...
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:11 PM
Aug 2012

So it doesn't really matter what kind of world they live in before that happens.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
13. Right. Since the only purpose of this life is to prepare for the next one,
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

why should we worry about about mass extinctions, overpopulation, global warming, and other such trivia?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are laughing
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:34 PM
Aug 2012

their asses off when they read things like this. You know, those places that believe in SCIENCE. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

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