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Why don't Hillary and Jimmy Carter get along? (Original Post) BigmanPigman Dec 2018 OP
Jimmy didnt get along with Ted Kennedy either. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #1
Well Teddy did a lot of damage to Carter in '80 and very much comradebillyboy Dec 2018 #7
+1000 demosincebirth Dec 2018 #13
Yep. I agree. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #53
How do you know they do not get along? titaniumsalute Dec 2018 #2
Evidently you don't remember the Democratic Convention demosincebirth Dec 2018 #19
Anyone who has a problem with Jimmy Carter should look at themselves... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #42
You're big on assumptions demosincebirth Dec 2018 #50
Not especially, nice guy but he was always JCMach1 Dec 2018 #52
Political differences do not equate to personal dislike or disrespect. Much ado about nothing, IMO hlthe2b Dec 2018 #3
Who that matters says they don't get along? uponit7771 Dec 2018 #4
Better question: is it true that they don't get along? JHB Dec 2018 #5
He and Bill don't get along either underpants Dec 2018 #6
Why do you believe they don't? There are no facts to back that up as far as I know. Claritie Pixie Dec 2018 #8
Bill blamed Jimmy for his losing the AR governorship in 1980 BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #9
First Jimmy, then Bernie... another thing they have in common. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #56
Carter thinks HRC didn't do enough Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #10
Jimmy Carter IS, without a doubt, an authority on peace making... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #55
Twitter video below blogslut Dec 2018 #11
I really can't stand Tweety. lark Dec 2018 #30
Thank you for posting this Gothmog Dec 2018 #54
That was a Chris Matthews lie More_Cowbell Dec 2018 #12
Lynn Cheney's facial expressions are hilarious as she overhears northoftheborder Dec 2018 #17
Lol. I hadn't noticed! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #25
I never realized how much Ms. Cheney kacekwl Dec 2018 #26
DUzy!!! madinmaryland Dec 2018 #39
Liz Cheney looks miserable, like her husband Catherine Vincent Dec 2018 #44
I figured she was upset about having to sit next to Joe Biden. GoCubsGo Dec 2018 #69
Thank you! Catamount Dec 2018 #20
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2018 #24
They both used to be in the same fight club. A few of their matches were really ugly. Bleacher Creature Dec 2018 #14
*snort* smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #29
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB! n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #38
Clinton wrote about Carter's empathy on election night 2016 nt delisen Dec 2018 #46
I think they do. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #15
Here is an article from the WAPO. CentralMass Dec 2018 #16
wow, I didn't know any of that, other than Carter supported and voted for Bernie Celerity Dec 2018 #45
Which shows you how gracious Hillary was while sitting next to him question everything Dec 2018 #51
I'm glad people are posting the clip of them chatting. I watched it, during the service Siwsan Dec 2018 #18
think some of it comes from the clintons welfare reform dembotoz Dec 2018 #21
Oh no you didn't. lark Dec 2018 #31
Excuse me I just said they agree on the issue dembotoz Dec 2018 #48
Not surprising that Jimmy and Bernie see eye-to-eye on many issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #43
I think they get along fine... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #22
Actually, Carter was a small-government conservative Hortensis Dec 2018 #63
Thank you or the reply... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #65
Oh I miss Vroman's. My husband always went Xmas Hortensis Dec 2018 #66
I did meet him and buy his book. nolabear Dec 2018 #67
They get along fine. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #23
All the way back to the 80s when he was a hack at the San Francisco Examiner, he was OnDoutside Dec 2018 #33
Agreed. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #35
Why Would you think Clinton & Carter Don't Get Along? MSM Spin! dlk Dec 2018 #27
It is a long running newblewtoo Dec 2018 #28
Lots of cringeworthy stuff...The better question is why would they along given their history BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #34
An article from 1996. cwydro Dec 2018 #41
Some things haven't changed apparently BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #58
Psst... Rob H. Dec 2018 #59
Never endorsed her in the primary BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #60
"Never endorsed her in the primary" Rob H. Dec 2018 #61
Keep dancing BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #62
I sure hate seeing MSM talking points repeated here. Tipperary Dec 2018 #32
It was a funeral, not a cocktail party, Tweety. Nt spooky3 Dec 2018 #36
Thank you. nt cwydro Dec 2018 #40
Chris Matthews is a RWNJ . stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #37
Why is chris matthews relevant... to anything? still? JHan Dec 2018 #47
Good question. Tipperary Dec 2018 #49
IDK... just a thought: Tweety could be relevant to navel gazing and belly button lint. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #57
Carter has been openly critical of both Clintons throughout the years. peekaloo Dec 2018 #64
Who's Poopy? nt LAS14 Dec 2018 #68
GHWB aka Poppy aka David Cop a Feel peekaloo Dec 2018 #70

demosincebirth

(12,536 posts)
19. Evidently you don't remember the Democratic Convention
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:05 PM
Dec 2018

In 1980. FYI, it was Kennedy who didn’t care for Carter. Carter has always been a gentleman

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
52. Not especially, nice guy but he was always
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:24 AM
Dec 2018

Internally driven and didn't like to take advice and usually introspective. Think the anti-Bill Clinton personality wise... So, it's probably a personality clash.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
5. Better question: is it true that they don't get along?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:50 PM
Dec 2018

I know Tweety said something about them not talking when they were sitting next to each other at Bush's funeral, but that was him being full of gas. There's footage of them chatting amiably while they were waiting for the proceedings to begin.

underpants

(182,772 posts)
6. He and Bill don't get along either
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:51 PM
Dec 2018

From what I've read here and there

I think it's about policy, 3rd Way, or something like that.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
8. Why do you believe they don't? There are no facts to back that up as far as I know.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:52 PM
Dec 2018

Seems to be nothing more than pundit gossip to create drama.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
55. Jimmy Carter IS, without a doubt, an authority on peace making...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:44 AM
Dec 2018

so, one at least has to take what he has to say seriously into consideration.... not to say he's ALWAYS right.

lark

(23,091 posts)
30. I really can't stand Tweety.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:36 PM
Dec 2018

Hr's so full of shit and so full of himself, most of the time. Plus, he loves Raygun, so is obviously defective.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
17. Lynn Cheney's facial expressions are hilarious as she overhears
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:01 PM
Dec 2018

Carter and Clinton's conversations. She is as nauseating as ever.

Chris Matthews is just insufferable. I never listen to his show.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
14. They both used to be in the same fight club. A few of their matches were really ugly.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:56 PM
Dec 2018

Honestly, I don't know and am not sure I care. I respect and admire them both.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
15. I think they do.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:59 PM
Dec 2018

Carter is a man who gets along with many people. Considering both of them have achieved such political success the barbs are far and few between. I have a feeling they respect and admire each other for many reasons.

Celerity

(43,321 posts)
45. wow, I didn't know any of that, other than Carter supported and voted for Bernie
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:41 PM
Dec 2018

thanks for the article

question everything

(47,470 posts)
51. Which shows you how gracious Hillary was while sitting next to him
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:18 AM
Dec 2018

Did Matthews at least apologized? I no longer watch him. PBS NewsHour is so much more civilized, covers the same topic without shouting off the guests.

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
18. I'm glad people are posting the clip of them chatting. I watched it, during the service
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:01 PM
Dec 2018

When Mathews spewed that nonsense, all I could do was shake my head.

lark

(23,091 posts)
31. Oh no you didn't.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:39 PM
Dec 2018

Bernie is sanctimonious with no follow through, and a backstabber to anyone who gets in his way and also has suspicious money issues.
Jimmy walks his talk daily and has never had even a sniff of real scandal.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
48. Excuse me I just said they agree on the issue
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 08:27 PM
Dec 2018

U make it sound like they are swapping spit.
I implied no such things

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
22. I think they get along fine...
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:16 PM
Dec 2018

… however, Jimmy tends to be more outwardly liberal. I think Hillary is like-minded, mostly, but she and Bill think they have to play it more moderate, and make concessions, to govern. Jimmy & Hillary seemed genuinely friendly at the funeral... I think the better question may be: Why does Chris Matthews play up a feud?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
63. Actually, Carter was a small-government conservative
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:19 AM
Dec 2018

president, moderate southern version, but socially more liberal and supporter of civil rights. None of his colleagues would support him for president because he was an intolerant, know-it-all person whom very few were able to like or get along well with. Of course the regular party donors wouldn't consider him, so he ran as a grassroots reformer funded by small donations. Sanders later modeled a lot of his strategy on this, which is really a classic model for pols rejected by those who know them, but still -- Carter applied it to a presidential campaign and won.

Both houses of congress were also Democrat, for a Democratic trifecta, but Carter spent most of his single term opposing congress (that small-government conservative thing, plus he didn't suffer fools and most of his former colleagues in congress were fools). Someone who knew him then described him as the kind of person who has to burn his own thumb before he'll believe fire is hot (not verbatim, but the general idea). A tragically wasted opportunity and end to the New Deal era.

I think even most admirers believe Carter's finest legacy will be as our greatest ex-president. That's when his best qualities were able to develop. All Democrats since have taken ideas from his activist years. Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway with so much life to live, but he was the first with his kind of post-presidency. That's what I like to keep in mind when I think of him.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
65. Thank you or the reply...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:58 AM
Dec 2018

… interesting view of Jimmy Carter - and it makes sense. Republicans and their conservative media portray Democrats as all like-minded ultra-liberal socialists. Carter might have been better to have as President a little later... I was going to meet him and buy his book at Vroman's in Pasadena recently - but the line was so long...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Oh I miss Vroman's. My husband always went Xmas
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:14 PM
Dec 2018

shopping with a friend, who was blown away by the crowd the year he took him in Vroman's on a Friday night to get a book I wanted. He'd had no idea that people might go browse a book store for enjoyment on an evening out.

I never joined a signing line in SoCal and went to few talks, but now that we have nothing like that where we live I miss the opportunities, if only to decide not to... I'd like to meet President Carter. Very nice that he's still traveling and doing book signings.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
67. I did meet him and buy his book.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:20 PM
Dec 2018

It was incredibly quick but I thanked him and he thanked me right back. 😍

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
23. They get along fine.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:17 PM
Dec 2018

Apparently because they aren’t BFFs breaking into spontaneous song and dance routines people think they are bitter enemies.

Jimmy and Bill have had certain occasional disagreements here and there over the years which isn’t anything uncommon even for members of the same party. It’s called politics.

Hillary and Jimmy were seen having a nice conversation yesterday until the asshole showed up, at which point everybody in the front row shut up.

All of this is only because Chris Matthews is a gossipy busybody.

Really.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
33. All the way back to the 80s when he was a hack at the San Francisco Examiner, he was
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:48 PM
Dec 2018

an uncaring asshole.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
35. Agreed.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:49 PM
Dec 2018

Some pundits cannot tell the difference between journalism and being a gossip columnist. Matthews has always been like that. Just because he served under Tip O'Neill he thinks that he is the consummate insider with all the political insight.

He is a goofball.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
27. Why Would you think Clinton & Carter Don't Get Along? MSM Spin!
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:29 PM
Dec 2018

Seriously, misogyny runs very deep in American culture.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
34. Lots of cringeworthy stuff...The better question is why would they along given their history
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:48 PM
Dec 2018

But, you know, Tweety.

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
61. "Never endorsed her in the primary"
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:20 AM
Dec 2018

Not what you said, though. You said...

He never publicly endorsed HRC...


...but he endorsed her in the summer of 2016. That’s not “never.” Might want to take the time to read whatever article you post next time before you comment on it.

Edited for clarity.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
62. Keep dancing
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:05 AM
Dec 2018

The facts fully support Tweety’s original statement, which so many here find so difficult to accept.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
47. Why is chris matthews relevant... to anything? still?
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:54 PM
Dec 2018

Who listens to this guy seriously.. about anything?

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
64. Carter has been openly critical of both Clintons throughout the years.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:20 AM
Dec 2018

I doubt any sleep is lost from any of them about it.

I had forgotten that Carter gave Poopy the boot when he took office.

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