After this is all over do you think his cult will admit

[BigmanPigman]

they believed a criminal and be somewhat embarrassed or will they dig in and support him forever (like Stone loves Nixon still)? Also, will you forgive those that were mean to you when you told them he was a criminal all along if they say they admit they were wrong?

I know only one ex-friend (she crossed me off of her list last Christmas) and I doubt she will admit she was ever wrong and if she did I still would not want her for a friend since now I am fully aware that she is a hate filled racist, etc.

[Wounded Bear]

1. Repubs still whine about taking down Nixon...

Hate to say it, but it is a lifelong affliction, and most Trumplodytes will go to their graves thinking this was all a Dem witch hunt and that Trump was unfairly attacked.

[regnaD kciN]

66. Very few of them, but that's because...

...most of them don’t consider Nixon a true Republican anyway — he was just another big-government liberal (albeit a pro-military and anti-Communist one) from the benighted days before St. Ronnie came along and showed us the True Conservative Way.

[Ohiogal]

2. His deplorable base

will stick with him forever. They will say he was framed by angry Democrats.

[D_Master81]

3. I think 20 years from now

Many in the GOP will probably begrudgingly admit Trump was probably guilty. But you will still have a lot of people, like 20-25% that will never admit a thing and believe that the "deep state" or whoever was out to get him.

[Jake Stern]

24. Had a Republican co-worker tell me he believed that Trump is likely guilty as hell

But doesn't give a shit because Trump is appointing far right judges "by the truckload" which will cement their control for decades.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

56. They gonna be impeached. And tell your coworker that is the definition of unAmerican

Party before country.

[Bob Loblaw]

35. Leah Remini's next project

[ismnotwasm]

4. Oh hell no

[doc03]

5. I know of none that will admit trump did anything wrong. They will

blame the media and Democrats. They will claim Hillary did worse and got off free.

[Downtown Hound]

6. I think, as time moves on, most of them will come to accept that Trump is a criminal

Although it will take a while. But rather than question their fundamental belief structure that allowed themselves to be the biggest dupes on the planet, they will simply brush it off as, "Trump had the right ideas, but he ultimately just wasn't the man for the job." And they will move on to finding another fascist asshole to take his place.

The bottom line is, we're stuck with the deplorables. They're not going anywhere. The good news is we outnumber them and will continue to expand upon that in the coming years.

But there are also a percentage of them that are going to be mighty pissed that we took down their prophet. And they are heavily armed. Keep your head down and be aware of your surroundings in the coming years.

[Hortensis]

31. This.

[lamsmy]

64. Yes. It comes down to personality not policies

Trump supporters, and far right (and sometimes far left) types are usually highly insecure people looking for strong leadership and group inclusion. And the leadership and group lifts them up and tells them they are right and good and the REAL Americans.

Insecure people only feel big and important if someone else is belittled, only feel smart if someone else is stupid, only feel righteous if someone else is immoral, and only feel patriotic if someone else is the traitor.

It's not enough for them to dislike the other side's policies - they NEED to hate them personally. They will actively avoid and information that shows their opponents in a good light and only seek out those who are willing to reinforce their views. Chipping away at their political beliefs or their trying to bridge the moat of ignorance is seen as a personal attack on the very core of who they are and only leads to them retreating further into their shells.

Getting rid of the Fairness Act under Reagan, which allowed the rise of extreme media outlets, coupled with the exponential growth of the internet, has enabled all the world's insecure, poorly informed, angry people to gather on self-reinforcing islands of hate and ignorance. The GOP has encouraged this rabid tribalism to secure a diehard base and Fox has fed this ugly beast in the name of profits.

You can't change who people are in their core. Their leadership can be brought down, humbled and humiliated, but that won't change the toxic mix of insecurity, ignorance, and anger. Until the media is forced to offer more balanced views and until we find ways to scrub the internet of deliberate misinformation and hate, then nothing will change.

[BigmanPigman]

71. I read this article a while ago but it fits with what

you wrote perfectly.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/a-psychological-analysis-of-trump-supporters-has-uncovered-5-key-traits-about-them/

[ProudMNDemocrat]

7. I would take pleasure in letting them know how gullible they were......

to believe such a criminal con man. Rub that ignorance in their faces.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

57. you can do that now nm

[uponit7771]

8. No, I'm into how masses of people think and historically they will not 100% admit he's a crook

... and the blame will go to the people around him even if he directly try's to kill a loved one.

That's how crazy humans are when it comes to protecting their world view or wanting to be right.

This is the mindset that extended nam through 4 presidents

[a kennedy]

9. Nope, our neighbor is still saying....fake news, and fake charges.....

Hate them......

[moondust]

10. Ask Jim Jones.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

11. They might admit they were wrong but they'll never admit they were fooled.

[Kaleva]

12. It's not a topic of discussion over at FR.

[BigmanPigman]

14. What's FR?

[Leith]

15. A Reichwing Message Board

called free republic. There might be three living brain cells among them, but they are not well.

Edited to add: we call them freepers here.

[Kaleva]

17. A funny story

Being from Michigan, I was well aware that the Detroit Free Press newspaper was called "The Freep". When I first joined DU back in 2008, I was perplexed by the great amount of animosity directed towards "Freepers" who I thought at the time was a reference to readers of the Detroit Free Press.

[lunasun]

19. Same here and I'm not even from Michigan (Chicago )but Freep always meant Detroit Free Press

Sort of glad I know nothing about freeper boards but I do like the name now -freepers, for these idjits

[Leith]

42. My Family Subscribed to the Freep Until My Late Teen Years

I read it every morning. I was born and raised in Flint.

I was startled and repulsed by the giant dust mite picture that earned them the most angry mail they ever got. Remember that? Such a scandal!

[Rhiannon12866]

46. LOL! I made a point of checking them out, but that was my first thought too

Back in the day, we heard a lot more about Freepers than we do now. And I'm guessing that The Freep has had the name for a lot longer.

[Kaleva]

16. Free Republic. A forum dominated by Trump supporters.

Vocal Never-Trumper Republicans don't last long there.

[Hassler]

13. In 1932 nearly 40% of voters preferred Hoover, nearly FOUR YEARS into the Great Depression.

when the official unemployment rate was 25%! THAT is Chump's base.

[Liberal In Texas]

18. And after WW2 there were still Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

And that cult hasn't died out to this day. There will be Trumpers who will make our lives miserable long after he is gone from the oval and long after he is dead.

[roamer65]

48. Yeah. Prescott Bush, GHWB's dad was one of them.

[Johnny2X2X]

20. FOX News .com tonight.

Trump vindicated. Hillary in big trouble.

Seriously. That’s their reality tonight. This was a big win for Trump to FOX.

[Liberal In Texas]

23. So, I went over out of curiousity to look at Fox.com

And was appalled. Large type written in maybe 3rd grade level English. Holy crap. I had no idea.

Very sensational and I'll bet not accurate. Like an online version of the Sun or Enquirerer or some other piece of fiction.

[Rhiannon12866]

47. I was stuck listening to them for about 2 minutes at the dentist a few months back

And - big surprise - they were discussing Hillary's emails! My dentist heard about it. She is "one of us," but it turned out her assistant turned it on for a patient who requested it.

[PufPuf23]

21. No. The cult will find a fixation on someone worse than Trump.

Last edited Sat Dec 8, 2018, 04:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Hard to imagine someone worse than Trump in the moment but the cult will find a focus. Just the way things are.

[Jake Stern]

25. We thought we'd never find someone worse than Dubya and Cheney

But here we are. . . . . . .

[ProudLib72]

22. I'm not going to let them forget!

You can be damn sure I will denounce the Rump with my dying breath.

[LenaBaby61]

26. NOPE.

[JI7]

27. the old racists will stick by him until they die . but there will be some that will deny having

supported him.

[lastlib]

28. The cultists in my family will forever blame the Democrats...

...for "trying to bring down a great President." -- --

They'll see it as a "Hiilary / Pelosi / Obama conspiracy." Having nothing to do with the rule of law, which they don't believe in. They're brainwashed/programmed.

They still blame liberals for Nixon's downfall.

The GOPee/Right-wing cult is immune to logic and reason, and they'll just go along.

[DFW]

29. That is the definition of a fanatic. They are never wrong. You are never right.

If Joel Osteen or Sean Hannity or any cult media personalities told their throng that the sky is really green, and only followers of the devil still think it's blue, I promise you that more people than you can imagine will look outside their windows and see a green sky.

[Duppers]

30. You summed it up quite well.

Unfortunately I know too many people like this.

[DFW]

33. I think all southerners do

Something in the water, maybe?

[Duppers]

37. 😊

[Hortensis]

34. Political scientists point out worriedly that the electorate

is not just increasingly polarized but that with it extremism is growing. On both sides (and we see it expressed here every day), though of course right-wing extremism is much larger and more dangerous.

The New Deal era that growing conservatism in the electorate ended by 1980, ushering in 35 years of conservative-dominated decline, was overall one of growing prosperity and wellbeing. This was not only because of the New Deal programs but because that general wellbeing produced a national stability, including election of comparatively responsible people to government, that kept extremism small and in check.

[DBoon]

52. 2+25

“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
― George Orwell, 1984

[Hortensis]

32. Won't be over, and thinking of Robert Bork in this thread.

Thirty years after his SCOTUS hearing, people who know nothing about him, and would even strongly disagree with him on most issues, know he's their fallen hero, a magnificent jurist who was attacked and destroyed by wickedly unprincipled Democrats.

It doesn't help that the MSM help Fox keep this going by portraying our refusal to put a judicial extremist -- who didn't believe in equal protection for women and minorities, of the right to privacy (nonexistent), or even most free speech -- on the court as explanation and justification for Garland and Kavanaugh.

Hmm. I wondered what Bork made of our chatting on the internet and didn't find anything on that but did find Jeffrey Toobin's 2012 eulogy for "the executioner in the Saturday Night Massacre":

"Robert Bork, who died Wednesday ...was an unrepentant reactionary who was on the wrong side of every major legal controversy of the twentieth century. The fifty-eight senators who voted against Bork for confirmation to the Supreme Court in 1987 honored themselves, and the Constitution. In the subsequent quarter-century, Bork devoted himself to proving that his critics were right about him all along. ..."

And in the same piece: "As Senator Edward Kennedy put it in a famous speech on the Senate floor, Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, [and] writers and artists would be censored at the whim of government."

"Was Kennedy too harsh? He was not—as Bork himself demonstrated in the series of intemperate books he wrote after losing the Supreme Court fight and quitting the bench, in 1987. The titles alone were revealing: ’The Tempting of America,’ ‘Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline,’ and ‘Coercing Virtue: The Worldwide Rule of Judges.’ One of his last books may have summed up his views best. Thanks in part to decisions of the Supreme Court—decisions that, for the most part, Bork abhorred—the United States became a more tolerant and inclusive place, with greater freedom of expression and freedom from discrimination than any society in history. Bork called the book, accurately, ‘A Country I Do Not Recognize.’"

Not quite reflective of their views after all? Irrelevant. Because. And as Downtown Hound says, they are very heavily armed, with the vote.

[lark]

36. His cult, no. Some of his voters, yes.

I have 2 friends who are Repug and voted for drumpf. One is ex-militiary officer and he did it out of ignorance and is really sorry. He told us last year that he'd made the worst mistake of his life and would vote all Democrat going forward until drumpf was out of office. He sees the dangerous road this country is going down under orange assmouth and knows it has to change dramatically. The other person has some money and was raised repug. Her dad and her brother were both repug mayors in GA. She voted for him because he was rich and a change and repug. She is stubborn and won't admit she made a mistake, but has started to referring to things as "that administration" and fussing about healthcare, tax cuts for ultra rich, and Medicare, Social Security changes repugs are trying to push through. She's also said she won't vote for him in 2020. Neither of these are cultists, they aren't racists or misogynists or criminals and they have turned on him.

The KKK, Nazis, white nationalists, & militias still love him because of the hate and the really rich & greedy love him because of their increased bank balances and some of the crazy evangelicals like him because Kavarape wants to end abortion. They stupidly don't realize he also wants to take away birth control pills of all forms because this is never covered on Faux Snooze and that is the only (so-called) news they watch.

[kimbutgar]

38. Love your "orange assmouth" description

I refer to it as “orange maggot”.

[lark]

39. "it" - true dat!

I have a whole menu of name I call "it" because his crimes, fraud, hate, treason are too big for just one.
Orange assmouth
Cadet Bone Spurs
Agent Orange
45
Orange menace
Twitler
PUtin's pet
Those are the ones I use most often.

The one thing I never ever would even think about calling him is president.

[kimbutgar]

43. +1

Idiot in the White House

Whenever I say his name I kind of throw up in my mouth.

[struggle4progress]

40. The dead-enders will never admit it, but within a few years survey responses will suggest

that about 80% of voters will claim they voted for Hillary in 2016. And a large percentage of the rest will claim to have cast write-in votes for Alfred E Newman, Mickey Mouse, or Zippy the Pinhead

[Glimmer of Hope]

41. I think it will take an overwhelming number of charges or proof that he did something so repulsive

that it makes his base feel uncomfortable. His base and the Senate seem so far gone at the moment.

[Meowmee]

44. I think many

Will never admit anything. I only had one friend who may have voted for him but I have not heard from her for ages since before the election. One of her friends said he had worked for dump years ago on one of his casinos projects. They were talking about him, it was early in the campaign as I recall, before it was evident he was so monstrous in terms of the campaign rallies I think anyway. I said he was a con artist etc. I know some of my students voted for him and they were terrified right after the election. I’m sure I have interacted with others in some way who did but I’m not aware if it. Fortunately my family are all lifelong dems etc.

[Codeine]

45. Not even one of them. nt

[Algernon Moncrieff]

49. See: Nixon, Richard

"I never believed he did anything as bad as what he was accused of."
"He didn't do anything JFK or LBJ didn't do."
"People get so worked up about Nixon, but say nothing about the Goddamned Hippies and draft dodgers."
"Yeah, but look at China."
"If it weren't for Nixon getting re-elected, we wouldn't have had peace in Vietnam or gotten the POWs home. I don't care what he did to get re-elected."

[unblock]

58. yeah, there's about 20% of the people who still worshiped him. however,

in the span of a couple years, he went from winning a whopping 49 states to only having the support of about 20% of the people.

that leaves an awful lot of people who voted for nixon at least once, probably twice, who after 1974, likely told everyone they were too busy to vote on election day 1972....

[Algernon Moncrieff]

60. We could probably do a whole thread on this complex subject

The resignation: some people were thrilled; some people cried; some people were just stunned. When Ford pardoned Nixon, there was a mix of outrage and cynicism that the fix was in.

You are right, of course: he went from being wildly popular to being vilified as a crook. But you also know that five years later, people were musing that "Nixon wasn't really that bad." Star Trek helpfully made "Only Nixon could go to China" a Vulcan proverb.

[unblock]

61. nixon was a complex man, that's for sure.

all over the map in terms of policy. really hard in today's era of hyper-partisan politics to even imagine the routine deal-making across the aisle back then, but even of the concept of a liberal republican seems so alien these days (not saying nixon was one of them, of course he was not, just saying the political landscape was very different back then.)

so many republicans are carbon copies of themselves, made in the image of foxnews. they tend to differ only in strategy and degree.

but back then, many republicans had all kinds of different views on all kinds of subjects.

nixon created the epa, go figure, for instance.

kinda like poppy signing the ada. go figure.

[haele]

50. Most will probably deny they ever supported him.

The type of person who becomes a Trumpteer doesn't have a solid grasp on reality to begin with, and will happily delude themselves with six different incongruous beliefs at any given moment of the day.

They can't admit they ever supported a criminal once it's undeniably obvious he's up to the crest of his weave with the Russian Mafia. So they'll quickly convince themselves they really were "Never Trumpers" to begin with.

Haele

[Glamrock]

51. For what it's worth,

You gots me as a friend....

[NoMoreRepugs]

53. They'll be digging like steam shovels IMO.

Reaganites gloss over Iran Contra, Bushites over lying us into war..... Trumpites are crazed baboons compared to those whackadoodles. They are like the Southeners continuing to spin fantastical narratives about the Confederacy... they are plain fuckin NUTZ.

[no_hypocrisy]

54. There will always remain a few "true believers".

When I went to Germany in 1989, I was introduced to some older citizens who had secret Hitler museums in their basements, who went in small groups to the middle of the woods to sing Hitler "fight songs", and reminisce about the "good old days". Nothing could change their opinion of Hitler and the Third Reich.

[brewens]

55. They won't admit it, but they have to be pissed. I was at a few of our people over the years. For

what I consider stupid stuff that is a joke compared to Trump, but still stupid and unnecessary. I'm still hearing about it and I'm still pissed! It has to be driving them crazy, and Trump won't turn it off!

[hibbing]

59. No, they will blame Democrats n/t

[ChoppinBroccoli]

62. I Know A Cult Member, And I Know How He'll Respond

It will be some combination of the following:

1. Democratic witch hunt.
2. Deep State conspiracy.
3. Liberal media conspiracy.
4. George Soros-funded shenanigans.

There will never be any admission that Trump ever did anything wrong. It will be all these "outside forces" who ganged up on Trump and just decided to be mean to him for one reason or another (the most popular are that he's a Republican, he beat their chosen candidate Hillary Clinton, or that they were afraid of him because he was an "outsider" who wanted to make big changes).

So if you're waiting for that moment when they carefully review the evidence and it slowly dawns on them that they made a horrible decision and they admit they were wrong, that moment is never going to come.

As I said, I have a friend who I at one time respected highly who joined the Trump cult. I still harbor some hope that he'll see the evidence that his hero is a traitor and that his fanboy-ism was misplaced and he'll denounce Trump, but deep down I know it will never happen. He routinely uses the phrase "Deep State" and often tells me about his visceral hatred for the media. That's someone who will never see the truth. How can someone who at one time was an intelligent, deep-thinking person abandon all common sense just to worship at the feet of some cult personality? I don't get it. It really bothers me, and it has caused me to lose a ton of respect for him.

[moose65]

72. Either that, or:

If the evidence becomes irrefutable, they will turn on Trump but say “he was never a real Republican,” or some variation of that. They will never, ever admit they were wrong, but they’ll find a way to blame Democrats. Mark my words!

[shanny]

63. Nixon's never did.

[dawg day]

65. Most will just kind of ... forget about Trump-

After Nixon, most of those who voted for him just kind of forgot about him. "There was a Republican president just before Ford? Who knew! Wonder what his name was. How about them Cubs, huh?"

It was pretty impressive. They didn't argue or make excuses or insist it was all a witchhunt. They just pretended Nixon hadn't happened.

MOST people who voted for Trump will probably do that too. They will remember they voted for Jeb or Rubio in the primaries, and just not think about the vote for Trump in the general.

There will be some angry holdouts though. But most GOPers will just move on to trying to get Rubio elected. They won't have learned anything, but they'll move on.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. Simple answers

Nope.


And mean to me? Um - I got rid of them all.

[cbdo2007]

68. I have already seen some people flip that I never thought would.

Sure there are still some holdouts...people I knew in high school that I don't talk to but am friends with on Facebook, but there certainly are others that I'm more close to who are Fox news junkies and Trump lovers who have already started subtly letting on that they were duped and that he is a criminal.

[CrispyQ]

69. They will double down, just like Trump does.

They will never admit they were duped. It's a trait they share with their leader.

Also, a lot of them are motivated by pissing off the left. I don't get it, but they take joy in making the left angry, even if it means supporting politicians/policies that hurt them personally.

I have three cousins who voted for Trump. All older white men. One has come to his senses. One I don't talk to enough to know what he thinks. And the religious one is all in. The deep state is after Trump. HRC is evil personified & should be in prison. And democrats and the left are angry, hateful, hypocritical, unhinged, & violent. I unfriended him some time ago & avoided him at a recent family gathering.

I take comfort in the fact that we outnumber them. However, the non-voters need to get off their asses & show the fuck up. We need everyone who voted in 2018 & more for 2020.

[ROB-ROX]

70. THE GOP HAS MANY UNEDUCATED IDIOTS WHO ARE PART OF THE HERD

There will be a small percentage who will learn and think their leader is a corrupt criminal. The majority do not have the cognizant ability to understand simple justice. They are mindless drones who are told by there master what to do and think. We may have a NIXON reset where a majority (including reformed "R&quot in the USA vote democratic for 4 years. Then it is back to cheating, lying, and stealing to win an election.