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(24,725 posts)2 white guys??
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Don't shoot me but I thought he was at least part Hipanic. Even if he is, he isn't Dick Cheney "white guy".
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)But I could be wrong.
PatSeg
(47,376 posts)4th generation Irish American.
From Wikipedia: His family always called him "Beto", a common Spanish nickname for first names ending in "-berto", initially to distinguish him from his namesake grandfather.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not Hispanic in any respect.
What do you mean when you write " he isn't Dick Cheney "white guy" " ?
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)From his name and coloring I thought he was at least a quarter hispanic. Where I'm from Robert is shortened to Rob or Robbie.
As for the Dick Cheney "white guy" comment, Cheney is an old pinkish white war profiteer that made his money on the blood of others and actually shot someone without getting in trouble for it. The other poster used the term "white guy" Cheney is the most extreme version of that that I imagine. Personally I think this idea of eliminating anyone based on their melanin levels is ridiculous. We should be picking the most qualified and best equipped candidate no matter their color. This whole diversity argument is going to split us up into factions that won't do anything but ensure we get a less electable candidate imo.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)No problem at all.
I understand what you are saying about Cheney now.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Using Beto suggests that he is Hispanic while in fact he is Irish.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I know very few people that live here that can say they are straight up anything. Everyone I know "from here" is a melting pot mix up of multiple backgrounds. I'm Dutch and American Indian that I know of. No idea where the rest came from. If I weren't so paranoid I'd do an ancestory dna test.
mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)It is on the Mexican border. The sun shines there 302 days a year. IOW you can't live there your whole life without having some degree of tanned skin. It also has a very high Hispanic and Latino population, which accounts for using Beto as a nick name.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Irish Catholic or otherwise, I'll go eat one of those wafers.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Race, gender, age - it shouldn't matter. Judge based on ideas and message please.
PatSeg
(47,376 posts)but we have so many great choices, we need more diversity.
cilla4progress
(24,725 posts)Our ticket must be more representative of our party!
Lead the way!
PatSeg
(47,376 posts)Much like the House now looks. I love that our party looks like America.
Liberal In Texas
(13,543 posts)As Judy would say.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)TeamPooka
(24,218 posts)lostnfound
(16,170 posts)Trump convinced us all, hell, ANYONE can get elected
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)established norms and institutions are only for Democrats!
Whenever I hear anyone talk about the Presidency like old rules still apply, it really makes you wonder.
TeamPooka
(24,218 posts)False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.
DFW
(54,337 posts)If they're thinking about it, then the smartest thing they could do is start preparing a fundraising apparatus, get backers, make contacts in Iowa and New Hampshire, and make sure the press never gets wind of it until a year from now. It's far from likely, but then how seriously did anyone take Donald Trump four years ago?
JI7
(89,244 posts)one of them will win the nomination and they will pick the other to be VP .
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)Any of the four would be an improvement over Trump/Pence.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Vinca
(50,258 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I promise they exist.
Guppy
(444 posts)and I hate to say it but it would lead into the argument that we are too "politically correct".I think the better argument that a qualified minority woman id youth vs. ol and the future vs. the past.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She seems pretty electric to me and is not all that much older than O'Rourke.
Guppy
(444 posts)in Gwinnett county. It was celebratory as we swept the county with democrats. This was thought to be a ridiculous notion just 5 years ago.The only one we missed was Carolyn Bordeaux who lost by 419 votes out of 280,000. The consensus was that Kamala was not dynamic. She is also from California. That is tough to overcome. That would be like Cuomo from NY. NY and CA are not the best places to run for President from.
Kamala doesn't bring the millennials out. Beto is electric to them. Did you see him playing the air drums on the Who song "baba O'reilly.
No one in either party can do that. He made Cruz seem like he was 70 years old and they are the same age.
Also this is probably unfair but can you recall a woman ever delivering a speech or moment where people will run through the proverbial wall.
It is probably conditioning but that is how our society is and it is no time to make a "statement" of gender breaking. It is time to win and crush and Beto is our best chance.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)With him not beating Cruz as crappy as Cruz is I can't see him winning the whole thing yet. He has energy and people like him, but I'd rather see him as VP. I want a winning ticket.
Guppy
(444 posts)have won statewide since Ann Richards. Even though Cruz is terrible it is still Texas. That would be like a republican winning in CA.
Who do you have on the top of the ticket?
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I like Kennedy, but I also like Biden. I would prefer Michelle but that won't happen.
Guppy
(444 posts)Joe Kennedy has no more real experience than Beto and has very little recognition. Beto has it all.
Persondem
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Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)elocs
(22,566 posts)And they will throw a fit about it. So no, I don't see them that way.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,316 posts)Polybius
(15,373 posts)I'm fine with it, but a little more diversity would be nice. Also, the last House member nominated for President was eons ago.