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kpete

(71,965 posts)
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:43 AM Dec 2018

"This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency..."

December 8, 2018 at 7:58 am EST By Taegan Goddard 62 Comments

Paul Waldman: “One of the remarkable things about the discussion we’ve been having lately is that the president still seems to think that he can be saved from whatever this investigation uncovers. He just announced that William Barr will be his next attorney general, and the New York Times reported that in private, ‘Mr. Trump has also repeatedly asked whether the next pick would recuse himself from overseeing the special counsel investigation into whether his campaign conspired with Russia in its interference in the 2016 election.’ It’s as though he thinks this investigation is in its early stages and can be quashed by a properly loyal underling.”

“But at this point it doesn’t matter. It’s far too late.
Trump’s former aides have cooperated, they’ve conducted their interviews with the special counsel, they’re being sentenced, the documents have been reviewed, the connections have been traced, and the full picture is soon to be revealed.”

“This scandal can’t be hidden away. Republicans in Congress can’t save Trump, his attorney general can’t save him, and no amount of desperate tweets can save him. Accountability is on its way, and it’s arriving very soon.”



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“This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency…”


Sometimes I get so bogged down in the minutiae of the Trump-Russia investigation that I lose sight of the scandal’s scope. This Twitter thread by David Rothkopf puts it in perspective. It’s long, but that’s because the list of misdeeds is so extensive, and reading a brief reference to each one is instructive and devastating:




So we know this, Russian government representatives reached out to the Trump campaign in 2015 and undertook multiple initiatives and had multiple points and series of contacts with Team Trump for the next couple years.

It’s not just the Trump Tower meeting. It’s not just the interactions with Wikileaks. It’s not just the Russian ties to Cambridge Analytica. It’s not just Konstantin Kiliminik, a Russian agent working hand in hand with campaign chair Paul Manafort.

It’s not just the ties between Flynn and the Russians. it’s not just the links between the Russians and Eric Prince through the meeting in the Seychelles and beyond that. It’s not just the ties of Wilbur Ross. It’s not just the Trump Organization dealings with Russia.

It’s not just Jared Kushner’s dealings with Russia. It’s not just Kushner and Flynn’s dealing with Kislyak during the campaign. It’s not just the candidate Trump asking for Russian help. It’s not just the GRU hacking for which indictments have already taken place.

We can go on. But let’s not stop before we discuss the many benefits the Russians delivered to Trump via hacking, the dumping of files, the manipulation of social media and other avenues…all to support Trump over Clinton. Nor should we fail to discuss the benefits Trump…

…offered the Russians since he gained power. There was his covering up their hacking and his efforts to slow investigations of it. There was his denying the conclusions of the intelligence community about the Russians. There were the talks between Flynn and the Russians…

…about waiving sanctions. There were the meetings with Trump when he was president when he handed over classified information to the Russians. There were whatever promises or concessions were made in Helsinki. There was a pattern of placating the Russians or…

…failing to enforce sanctions for months and months. In other words, there was plenty of quid and plenty of quo ($50 million penthouse apartments and the promise of big deals or financing benefits aside).

From the outreach to Cohen to just the first mos of the admin we can count more than a dozen separate avenues of connection at the highest level. In any normal campaign or administration, just one would set off alarm bells and have the president calling the FBI into action.

But instead, in addition to those dozen avenues, the offers that were explicitly or tacitly accepted, benefits to both sides & the overt betrayal of the U.S. to advance the political or economic interests of Trump and those close to him, we have the president obstructing justice.

Actively obstructing. Threatening to fire all those getting closer to the truth. Lying and lying and lying some more and urging staff to lie and witness tampering and so on.

This is not a case of possible collusion. This is sweeping, multi-layered, high level conspiracy led by Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence community and involving the active cooperation and complicity of a man who was a candidate for president and then president…

…as well as his entire team. This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency and there is not another that is close to it. But that is not all we know.

The DoJ believes the president of the United States directed the commission of campaign finance felonies as a candidate. The NYT produced extensive and compelling evidence of serial tax fraud by the Trump family. The state of NY is investigate fraud in their charities.

The House will soon begin investigation of Trump money laundering. A case involving his violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clause is under way. In other words, as massive as the Russia scandal is, it might not be the biggest Trump scandal.

It might not even be the scandal that brings Trump down. But what we know is that all of these or any of these scandals must bring him down. This criminal has no business being the White House. He has no business walking freely among us.

2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump’s life except for all those that will follow it. These cases will be investigated further and then proven. Some may be prosecuted while he is in office. Some may wait until he leaves office.

But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official–not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson–will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump. And that is as it should be.



https://www.balloon-juice.com/2018/12/08/this-is-the-biggest-scandal-in-the-history-of-the-american-presidency/





https://www.lawfareblog.com/totally-clears-president-what-those-cohen-and-manafort-filings-really-say



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"This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency..." (Original Post) kpete Dec 2018 OP
Kick dalton99a Dec 2018 #1
Great summation n/t Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #2
Thanks I was really busy and distracted yesterday afternoon underpants Dec 2018 #3
I am sorry UpInArms Dec 2018 #5
I'm sorry to hear that, underpants ailsagirl Dec 2018 #44
Sorry to hear this uponit7771 Dec 2018 #53
So sorry to hear that, underpants. calimary Dec 2018 #55
Condolences to you and your family Poiuyt Dec 2018 #57
He criminally conspired to undermine our election with an enemy of this country. duforsure Dec 2018 #4
K and R BadgerMom Dec 2018 #6
and the party, under cover of his treason, installed RW judges as fast as they could... Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #45
Not Just Installation of Right Wing Judges and Tax Give Aways to Themselves and Their Friends Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #51
oh god Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #58
Very good summary of the lowlights... WestMichRad Dec 2018 #7
Your last sentence............ MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #28
To be fair, the biggest was probably Iran-Cocaine-Contra (the money being 98% cocaine, 2% Iran) sandensea Dec 2018 #8
Iran-Contra and the weapons and drug deals were never fully explored nor exposed... brush Dec 2018 #11
+1 sandensea Dec 2018 #15
That depends on whether Trump is a proven Russian asset Martin Eden Dec 2018 #18
True. sandensea Dec 2018 #21
"ever since Kissinger..." anarch Dec 2018 #52
Treason. His one talent. sandensea Dec 2018 #54
K&R! Kind of Blue Dec 2018 #9
Wow, wow, wow, wow! This is required reading. K&R. Thank you. brush Dec 2018 #10
In the karma cafe there is no menu, you WILL be served what you deserve. Augiedog Dec 2018 #12
"2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it. volstork Dec 2018 #13
Wow!! MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #31
Must read malaise Dec 2018 #14
Great post Linda Ed Dec 2018 #16
He benefits from the power of propaganda-- the most expensive and pervasive Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #22
Yes indeed! MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #32
Trump will die in prison. Sad, but I'll still give it a Hooray. n/t MrModerate Dec 2018 #17
"Karma" will miss the bus. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #24
Despite all this, I would not be surprised if Trump ... Martin Eden Dec 2018 #19
Trump 2020!! Twenty for Collusion and 20 for Obstruction. OMGWTF Dec 2018 #29
Me neither the republicans fight dirty marlakay Dec 2018 #50
Hallelujah marieo1 Dec 2018 #20
biggest presidential scandal ever? Not even close mnmoderatedem Dec 2018 #23
Great post! With what Republicans have been able to KPN Dec 2018 #25
If Trump was elected with Russian help, then so was Pence. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #26
Jailbird Manafort wanted Pence as VP OMGWTF Dec 2018 #30
Sheesh - the words of a friend that have echoed throughout. calimary Dec 2018 #27
94+ contacts with Russia-linked operatives. moondust Dec 2018 #33
Trump is a crook. 99% of Dems know this. Some Independents know this. When 60% of Sloumeau Dec 2018 #34
We are at a dangerous and scary place Bayard Dec 2018 #35
The silence coming from Republicans is deafening confirmation that they Enoki33 Dec 2018 #36
GOPer complicit GOPer co-conspirators Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #47
Excellent summary cp Dec 2018 #37
This has been the biggest scandal since . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #38
When it's all said & done I just want "We the People" democracy to return. rickyhall Dec 2018 #39
The Republicans in Congress and Trump's supporters remind me of saljr1 Dec 2018 #40
Of course it's the biggest scandal... SeattleVet Dec 2018 #41
I want Pence and all who were appointed by this crook removed from office onit2day Dec 2018 #42
My favorite line: "It's far too late." Rachel Maddow's summation re Cohen left me awestruck ... Hekate Dec 2018 #43
Trump wanted to make an impact yuiyoshida Dec 2018 #46
Trump and the republicans worked with a hostile foreign power to rig our elections Botany Dec 2018 #48
trump & 2 supreme court justices antirepugvoter Dec 2018 #49
We're about to witness an unveiling. LuvNewcastle Dec 2018 #56

underpants

(182,632 posts)
3. Thanks I was really busy and distracted yesterday afternoon
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:03 AM
Dec 2018

We lost a member of our family. Not unexpectedly but it was a tough day.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
55. So sorry to hear that, underpants.
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 09:49 AM
Dec 2018

That one is NEVER easy. Even when you expect it. Both of my parents went that way.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
4. He criminally conspired to undermine our election with an enemy of this country.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:04 AM
Dec 2018

Treason is what he did intentionally too.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
6. K and R
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:02 AM
Dec 2018

And no one in the Republican Congressional delegation had the courage and clear-eyed sense of justice to do anything. Some Republican commentators turned from him and that is noteworthy. But the party stood by him when he backed a child molester for Senate. The party gerrymandered and suppressed votes. The party stole elections and, post-election, undermined the will of the people.
By all means, justice must rain down on Trump but, please, don’t let his minions get away. Republicanism is now but a greedy cancer.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
45. and the party, under cover of his treason, installed RW judges as fast as they could...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:07 PM
Dec 2018

....and cancelled regulations, and rewrote as much law as they could in order to maximize their evil agenda before the end comes for them (as it will)

Farmer-Rick

(10,140 posts)
51. Not Just Installation of Right Wing Judges and Tax Give Aways to Themselves and Their Friends
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 07:05 AM
Dec 2018

But what do you think is happening to all our state secrets? Do you think Little Tiny man Putin isn't gathering as many as he can from the traitors infesting our government? Do you think all our defense have been compromised? I sure do. A traitor is a traitor is a traitor, from Mitch, to Pence, to General Nakasone, to General Milley, I believe they are all busily turning over or plan to turnover every last advantage our country may have had in its own defense.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
58. oh god
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 01:50 PM
Dec 2018

Oh my god.

I hope that some professionals are keeping certain things from him. We know that he would never read reports or briefing materials.

I have been worried about the precious items in the WH and in the National Archives.

Someone need to raise your issue in a national forum. MSM. If you write an OP here, as many as 6,000 people may see it -- I have seen OPs with that kind of viewership. And it might be copied elsewhere, if it has a little meat in it.

WestMichRad

(1,317 posts)
7. Very good summary of the lowlights...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:08 AM
Dec 2018

...that collectively show the massive conspiracy(-ies?) that led to his election. Whether or not the orange blimp led the efforts, these illegal activities contributed to his winning the election. And as prosecutorial filings on Cohen yesterday clearly show via Cohen's admissions (and, importantly, accompanying corroborating evidence), the pRresident orchestrated the commission of felonies to further help his chances of being elected.

I have little doubt that with the House in Democratic control, articles of impeachment will soon be brought forward and will likely pass - he'll be impeached. But unless the Repukes unexpectedly turn on him, he won't be convicted in the Senate and will remain F*up in Chief unless he resigns or croaks. Ugh!

The recurring patterns of behavior of Repukes over the last few years show they clearly put ambitions for power and retention of power over the good of the country, and I for one don't expect this to change.

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
28. Your last sentence............
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
Dec 2018

says it all. I agree - I don't foresee the Pukes changing plans now.

However, that would only build our case and our chances for 2020 and a complete Blue Tsunami!

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
8. To be fair, the biggest was probably Iran-Cocaine-Contra (the money being 98% cocaine, 2% Iran)
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:11 AM
Dec 2018

But this comes a close second.

brush

(53,743 posts)
11. Iran-Contra and the weapons and drug deals were never fully explored nor exposed...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:25 AM
Dec 2018

although journalist Gary Webb was onto it and tried mightily to get support for his investigative reporting on it.

He lost his career and life as the forces arrayed against his exposure of government dirty dealings prevailed against him.

It may well have had the potential to be bigger than this trump scandal but it was squashed and Reagan retired into senility and, disgustingly, sainthood to repugs.

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
15. +1
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:39 AM
Dec 2018

Once they found they could get away with that, it made further (perhaps even more brazen) acts of treason practically inevitable.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
18. That depends on whether Trump is a proven Russian asset
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:50 AM
Dec 2018

Treason trumps Iran-Contra which, though clearly illegal, was motivated by (however misguided) the pursuit of perceived American interests.

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
21. True.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:06 PM
Dec 2018

Of course though, creating a crack cocaine epidemic in order to fundraise for one's misguided goals makes that a more heinous crime.

Ever since Kissinger, it seems the GOPee is never at a want for motives to betray the national interest.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
13. "2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

This may be my favorite sentence ever written.

This one is pretty good, too: "But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official–not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson–will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump. And that is as it should be."

It appears that Mueller and his team are functioning as Heracles, cleaning out the filth of the Augean stables, which have been fouled by the republicans for at least the past 40 years.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
16. Great post
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:39 AM
Dec 2018

Thank you. This should be sent to all the republicans in congress and senate!!

The whole Republican apparatus is dirty. But as long as Trump holds on to his 40% approval there is no way an impeachment conviction will happen. Let’s see what else Mueller has. His team clearly knows more than we know. The criminality runs very deep.

Still can't believe he is at almost 40%...

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
22. He benefits from the power of propaganda-- the most expensive and pervasive
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:08 PM
Dec 2018

propaganda machine in human history. And it continues to spew out spin, lies, treachery, and evil. That's who Republicans are, the whole lot of them. I'll change my tune when Republicans stand up for the Rule of Law and call Trumpy out for who he is. Until then, they are complicit in Trumpy's crimes. All of them.

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
32. Yes indeed!
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:31 PM
Dec 2018

With McTurtle out in front leading and commanding the troops.

MY sincere wish is that he goes down with IQ45 and the rest of the immediate gang.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
19. Despite all this, I would not be surprised if Trump ...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:52 AM
Dec 2018

... finishes this term and wins his party's nomination in 2020.

marlakay

(11,432 posts)
50. Me neither the republicans fight dirty
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 02:27 AM
Dec 2018

And have more judges now all over not just supremes.

They know they have more states because of the abortion vote.

I guess my dream is a video gets leaked so bad he has to quit and Pence can’t control economy and loses miserably in 2020.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
25. Great post! With what Republicans have been able to
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:09 PM
Dec 2018

get away with since Reagan, not to mention Individual-1 throughout his entire life, who is surprised? They see all of this as normal course of business, and we naively did not expect it. At least not this big. It is inherent in what the Republican Party has become.

OMGWTF

(3,943 posts)
30. Jailbird Manafort wanted Pence as VP
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:27 PM
Dec 2018

If justice is done, we will be looking at Madam President Pelosi.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
27. Sheesh - the words of a friend that have echoed throughout.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
Dec 2018

Steadfastly defending that vote for trump. Because of Mike Pence. Just couldn’t possibly vote for “Crooked Hillary.” Not only believed the snow job but had the sled and mittens and galoshes all set up by the front door. “There’s NO EVIDENCE...”

Yeah, dear friend. You just keep on telling yourself that...

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
34. Trump is a crook. 99% of Dems know this. Some Independents know this. When 60% of
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
Dec 2018

independents know he is a crook, his chances of getting reelected approach zero. It does not matter how high his approval with his base is if he tanks with Independents. Also, once he is no longer President, he can be indicted for anything.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
35. We are at a dangerous and scary place
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:14 PM
Dec 2018

I don't know if impeachment is the answer. But one way or another, he has to be removed. Like, immediately. His actions and words are becoming more insane every day. He is actively harming this country, at home and abroad. Now that he's been proved a criminal, he will get ever more dangerous.

Until that is done, he cannot be allowed to appoint anyone, change/break any more laws and regulations, show himself abroad.

Scandal is the least of our worries. He is illegitimately in office, and has committed treason. We have to shut him down sooner than later.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
36. The silence coming from Republicans is deafening confirmation that they
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 01:52 PM
Dec 2018

are complicit in every damning paragraph in the article. Sadly this will continue until they are threatened with a wipeout at the polls. Their miscalculation is that they have failed to realize that the Russian investigation daily continues to impress on voters the patriotic value of a long memory.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,262 posts)
47. GOPer complicit GOPer co-conspirators
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 12:04 AM
Dec 2018

I hope every thread of this criminal web is tracked to its end and all the silent partners in crime are held accountable.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
38. This has been the biggest scandal since . . .
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 03:49 PM
Dec 2018

2016 and the subsequent stolen election in broad daylight through foreign money, interference and hacking. Not to mention the help from our own media who chose revenue over anything resembling loyalty to the country.

This was an Act of War on the American system which Trumpski, his family and band of criminals (including the GOP & and their band of nefarious buddies like the NRA) willingly signed onto.

They are all traitors, each and every one. The conspiracy is huge, mind-boggling and Trumpski and his cohorts are all going down in one fashion or the other: Jail time, asset forfeiture, reputations in the dumpster.

Never forget, never forgive.

saljr1

(273 posts)
40. The Republicans in Congress and Trump's supporters remind me of
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 04:53 PM
Dec 2018

substance abusers in denial. "Nothing here going on" everything is fine.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
41. Of course it's the biggest scandal...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 05:19 PM
Dec 2018

everything about him always has to be the biggest, the best, the hugest.

By calling it the 'biggest scandal ever' it can trigger him to start claiming complete credit for the whole sordid mess!

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
43. My favorite line: "It's far too late." Rachel Maddow's summation re Cohen left me awestruck ...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 08:47 PM
Dec 2018

...at the work of Mueller and the SDNY, and at her own ability to teach any who care to listen to her. Cohen's indictment just peeled the hide right off him and left him naked in the storm.

A toast to Mueller, Maddow, and all who labor to protect our democracy from vicious predators.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
46. Trump wanted to make an impact
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:06 PM
Dec 2018

on history in a way bigger than Obama, looks like he will, but it should be called Infamous, and not famous!

Botany

(70,449 posts)
48. Trump and the republicans worked with a hostile foreign power to rig our elections
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 12:43 AM
Dec 2018

no more lock 'em up but string 'em up.

We executed two people for selling us out to Russia (Soviet Union) in the 1950s
and this was even worse ..... the Rosenbergs* gave nuclear bomb secrets to the Russians
(Soviets) and they got executed but Trump and company turned over America to
Putin for money and power ..... sooner or later the Soviets would have gotten an A bomb
and and then the H Bomb because we don't own math, physics, and engineering but the Trump
campaign, Fox News, and members of the GOP sold out America.




*when the USSR folded and we could look @ KGB files the Rosenbergs gave info to Russia,

LuvNewcastle

(16,838 posts)
56. We're about to witness an unveiling.
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 10:19 AM
Dec 2018

Trump isn't going down easily. He's going to show the world all the dirt he can find on his enemies. It's going to be uglier than anything we've ever seen. He'll make up shit about the people he doesn't have dirt on. This is the culmination of Republican rule for the last 40 years. They've always wanted to tear down the government and before this is over with, it just might spell the end of the United States as we've known it.

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