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Ask yourself this: (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2018 OP
If ANY Democrat behaved as Trump has, they would not have been tolerated. irresistable Dec 2018 #1
Yes, I am far harder PatSeg Dec 2018 #12
+1000 applegrove Dec 2018 #26
If we don't apply our laws, our country is a farce. spanone Dec 2018 #2
there's the big one Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #24
agree 100% spanone Dec 2018 #25
If the Union had an aircraft carrier how long would the Civil War have rzemanfl Dec 2018 #3
Yeah, but the Confederates had a submarine dalton99a Dec 2018 #6
I would say yes, because I don't think the Dems are as deeply and thoroughly corrupt Chemisse Dec 2018 #4
Yes, repugs are the greedy, unprincipled, corrupt crooks in society. brush Dec 2018 #8
No one in Washington would ever vote themselves out of political power. MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2018 #5
If he were a Democrat Bettie Dec 2018 #7
In recent history in 1998 the House initiated impeachment against Bill Clinton. CentralMass Dec 2018 #9
I don't really think that was comparable. Chemisse Dec 2018 #14
I can agree with what you sre saying but the idea is that no one is above the law. CentralMass Dec 2018 #18
Of course, and this is my line in the sand: ecstatic Dec 2018 #10
I think yes if the evidence was strong. Blue_true Dec 2018 #11
No, I'm just asking what you think Democrats would do? kentuck Dec 2018 #13
It will be better for us if the GOP turns on Trump prior to impeachment proceedings. Chemisse Dec 2018 #15
The only reason the GOP might turn on Trump... kentuck Dec 2018 #21
Remember all the outrage here and on the teevee about Glamrock Dec 2018 #16
I'm certain they would. Vinca Dec 2018 #17
I can only ask myself that if we were capable of nominating someone such as Trump DFW Dec 2018 #19
If Donald Trump was a Democrat, he'd be a rich guy with a TV show. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2018 #20
what is the point of this question ? democrats fucking called for Al Franken to resign JI7 Dec 2018 #22
Well Manchin would Polybius Dec 2018 #23
Let's ask Al Franken nt AndJusticeForSome Dec 2018 #27
Yes, they would. I know I would! nt Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #28
Yes Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #29
 

irresistable

(989 posts)
1. If ANY Democrat behaved as Trump has, they would not have been tolerated.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:59 AM
Dec 2018

If Franken was a republican Senator, he would still be one.

Democrats and Republicans live in different universes.

PatSeg

(47,405 posts)
12. Yes, I am far harder
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:21 AM
Dec 2018

on any Democrat who betrays our trust than any republican. Unlike republicans, we are not a party of mindless sheep and when one of our own does something illegal, we take it very personally.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
4. I would say yes, because I don't think the Dems are as deeply and thoroughly corrupt
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:28 AM
Dec 2018

as the Republicans.

Examples:

When Democrats have lost tough elections, they have conceded, power shifts, and the democracy goes on.

When Republicans have lost or looked like they would lose, they have made slimy moves to retain power (recent examples of this), they have committed many forms of election fraud (North Carolina, plus all sorts of voter inhibition laws), they have redrawn districts in their favor, they have threatened or implied they will refuse to accept as valid the results of the election (Trump - 2016).

brush

(53,767 posts)
8. Yes, repugs are the greedy, unprincipled, corrupt crooks in society.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:58 AM
Dec 2018

They seek to retain power no matter what it takes.

They never stop plotting to do just that with dirty tricks, vote suppression, gerrymandering, Citizens United, Interstate Cross Check, treasonous alliances with Russians—you name it, they do it.

What's not to love .

And on top of that, that party is the home of racist, white supremacists and trump. Who, btw, would never have made it out of the Democratic primaries. Hillary whipped him handily in his home state, remember.

We have to never stop pushing back against them.

5. No one in Washington would ever vote themselves out of political power.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:43 AM
Dec 2018

There are some (well, many, actually, I think) that don't really understand partisan political reality.

Bettie

(16,091 posts)
7. If he were a Democrat
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:54 AM
Dec 2018

first off, he'd never have survived the primaries. We tend to hold our people to a higher standard.

Second, he'd have been asked, long ago, to leave the office.

If he were "ours"...he would already be impeached and out of office.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
9. In recent history in 1998 the House initiated impeachment against Bill Clinton.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:04 AM
Dec 2018

They voted on one charge of perjury and one charge of obstruction of justice. In the Senate trial none of the 45 Democratic Senators voted guilty on either charge, so he was acquitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

"The trial in the United States Senate began right after the seating of the 106th Congress, in which the Republican Party held 55 Senate seats. A two-thirds vote (67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. 50 senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge. Clinton, like Johnson a century earlier, was acquitted on all charges.:

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
14. I don't really think that was comparable.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Dec 2018

Clinton's crime of perjury pales in comparison to the felonies Trump has allegedly committed, not to mention his treasonous activities.

Anyone who cares about this country and its democracy would (should) do whatever they can to fight Trump's efforts to demolish it.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
18. I can agree with what you sre saying but the idea is that no one is above the law.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:08 PM
Dec 2018

The President was charged with perjuy and obstruction of justice and broke the law and those were by the definition impeachable offenses. Yet, all 45 Democratic Senators voted not guilty.

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
10. Of course, and this is my line in the sand:
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:12 AM
Dec 2018

Impeach or I'm gone (at least in spirit). Doing nothing would make us just as disgusting and calculating as the rethugs. Seriously, what good are you if you can't defend our country? That should be their first priority, in addition to election reform.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I think yes if the evidence was strong.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

You seem to be trying to equate democrat's morals with that of republicans, our politicians and democrats in general have very strong morals. There is no comparison.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
13. No, I'm just asking what you think Democrats would do?
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:33 AM
Dec 2018

I tend to agree with most of the comments above.

However, I think we should continue to investigate and gather more information before we vote to impeach. Sooner or later, it is going to become very difficult to defend Donald Trump. Eventually, he will be impeached or he will resign.

Or he will lose dramatically in the election of 2020 and take down the Republican Party with him, in my opinion.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
15. It will be better for us if the GOP turns on Trump prior to impeachment proceedings.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 11:37 AM
Dec 2018

Otherwise we have a divided nation and possible some kind of civil war or coup attempt.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
21. The only reason the GOP might turn on Trump...
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:14 PM
Dec 2018

...is if they see him as too much of a liability to protect anymore.

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
16. Remember all the outrage here and on the teevee about
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
Dec 2018

-Rod Blagojevich being "set up"
-Anthony Weiner being the victim of the deep state
-Bob Menendez being the victim of a witch hunt

Me neither, because it didn't happen. We follow the facts where they lead us and accept the results. It's who we are.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
17. I'm certain they would.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:46 PM
Dec 2018

Look at the Franken allegations as an example. Poor Al was given the bum's rush before a panel could even be convened to investigate. If anything, Democrats act too quickly. When it comes to Trump, the GOP needs to recall what happened with Richard Nixon. There was no impeachment trial because members of his own party went to the White House and asked him to resign. Trump's crimes are shaking out to be far worse than Nixon's. The few remaining sane Republicans need to convince the rest to put country over party.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
19. I can only ask myself that if we were capable of nominating someone such as Trump
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:17 PM
Dec 2018

We are not. People like Trump don't even seek the Democratic nomination.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
22. what is the point of this question ? democrats fucking called for Al Franken to resign
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:20 PM
Dec 2018

over some bs.
and democrats would not nominate such a piece of shit in the first place.

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