If a 'president' cheats to win an election...he's not a legitimate president.

[spanone]

We would not tolerate this in any other country.

We should not tolerate it here.

Period.

[BSdetect]

1. Some other countries are not so crippled with an outdated Constitution

[MousePlayingDaffodil]

2. What do you mean . . .

. . . by "outdated," and what would you propose to update it?

[Perseus]

4. Start by getting rid of the "Electoral College"

That would be step #1.

The "opinion" that a sitting president cannot be indicted, although not in the constitution, reason why it is not a law, just an opinion, but that should become part of the constitution whereas if enough proof of wrongdoing by a sitting president, all tools within the law must be enforced, that includes indictment, incarceration, impeachment, and all punishment related to treason, if that were the case.

In case of a fraudulent win to the presidency, which is what we have today, the entire administration must be dismissed, and the "runner up" (Hillary Clinton in this scenario) should take hold of the presidency, and a new administration should be put in place. Why should Pence, for example, take over the presidency when he is part of the fraud? Even if he has done nothing wrong, which I doubt, he is still part of the "gang", per say, and should not be rewarded.

I think that would be a good start.

[Demsrule86]

9. That will never happen. Thus already, you have put up a mechanism doomed to failure.

[ewagner]

14. Agree ....and...

add that trying to change it in the middle of a crisis (such as we may be in soon) would almost certainly lead to civil unrest....

the course open to us is: follow the Constitution as written; impeach; follow chain of secession; restore stability; amend Constitution as necessary.

I know it's not what most of us want but it's the only way to ensure "domestic tranquility".

[justie18]

10. Yes!

Yes - time to put these issues on the table!

[MurrayDelph]

31. The Republicans would never allow it

but instead of removing the Electoral College, we should reform it.

I've mentioned it here before, but my idea is to make it a double-proportional representation.
Instead of 538 Electoral votes, raise it to (for example) 10,000.
If a state (let's say, California) has 10% of the eligible voter population, they would get 10% of the Electoral College
delegates (in this example 1,000 delegates total)
If a candidate in this California gets 65% of the votes, he/she would get 65% of that state's votes (In this example,
650 delegates).


This would mean:
It would be in the Red states interests to not disenfranchise voters, because it would reduce their number of delegates
If a Red state had more votes than voters, it would not affect country-wide totals
It would allow minority parties to actually have representation.

[Garrett78]

34. That would defeat the purpose of the electoral college, which is a vestige of slavery and...

...is intended to favor the smallest and most rural states.

The same goes for every state having 2 Senators.

I'm afraid this tyranny of the minority system isn't going anywhere anytime soon. That doesn't mean, though, that we shouldn't talk about these ideas. I think we should. That's how seeds get planted in the public consciousness.

[fescuerescue]

97. That would be nice

So whats the next step?

[rwsanders]

87. Outdated might be the wrong term, but the Senate was designed to protect slaveholders...

As was the electoral college. The "founding fathers" themselves stated the Constitution was to prevent an "excess of democracy".
Thus we have a flawed republic that was really designed to help the wealthy.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-flowering-or-excess-of-democracy-the-1780s/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-counterrevolution-of-1787-new-constitution-new-nation/

Sad thing is that a fix is not feasible in the current political environment.

[Moostache]

103. It is wishful thinking to believe anyone in power WANTS to fix this system...

First of all, if you are wealthy, this system is kicking ass for you. You do not want ANY changes, period.
Then, if you must submit to changes, the system allows you enough power to pick the least effectual and the ones that threaten your power not at all...

Without a drastic overhaul of the Legislative AND Judicial branches - to match the wild expansion of the Executive in the last 20 years - this system as currently configured will guarantee only one outcome - the complete subjugation of the middle class by the end of the 21st century, if not considerably sooner...

[Demsrule86]

3. I agree, but there impeachment in the house and conviction in the Senate is the remedy.

There is no other constitutional remedy. And with the GOP in control of the Senate, there is no way it will happen.

[Perseus]

5. Impeachment is dangerous if Pence is not taken out

I believe that a Pence presidency would be worst in many way than that of the current, Pence is not a good guy but can convince a lot of people that he is not nuts, and that to me is more dangerous. Because of the lack of understanding of government trump has, I believe that the one pulling the strings today are Pence, Ryan and McConnell, trump is just a decoy.

Pence, with his "holier than thou" act can convince people that he is a good man, when in fact he has crap in his brain.

Make trump a lame duck now, campaign well to replace the senate and keep the congress, then make sure a democrat gets elected as president, then fix the country by reversing the tax bill, and other things these corrupt repubs have done, and prosecute all these crooks. You don't need to impeach the con to do all that.

[Demsrule86]

8. Trump is way more dangerous and is selling the presidency.

[elmac]

32. Pence was put in the VP seat by Manifort who is eyeball deep into russia

so pence must also be considered a Russian agent, he's also a religious nutjob which is even worse.

[Baltimike]

104. This. Pence is a Russian horse, as opposed to a Trojan one. Trust the process. nt

[not fooled]

25. Yeah re punce

the worst possible combination of pious, smarmy xtian (fake) exterior masking a thoroughgoing corporate shill and puppet.

[Girard442]

6. The problem is that the people whose job it is to deal with this situation...

...are co-conspirators with the cheating illegitimate president.

[LittleGirl]

23. Bingo !!! Ding, Ding Ding! That's

exactly the only problem/issue.
They have convinced the masses that it's okay, fake news, fake investigation, fake impeachment.

We cannot do this without the GOP's support, and when we get them on board, he's doomed. Gone.

[The Liberal Lion]

101. Boom.

Exactly!

[elocs]

7. Prove it. Period. Then use the Constitution to change it. Period.

If Democrats want to use means and methods outside the Constitution to remove Trump from the presidency then know the same things will be used against a Democratic president one day.

[tavernier]

13. A Democrat would have been out on his ear in month one.

Reptilians would have hired mobs of wild eyed ruffians to pound down the doors, like they did during the Bush/Gore election. The SCOTUS nearly peed their pants from fright and intimidation and gave it to Dubya. (Plus the perks they got from Cheney)

[AndJusticeForSome]

71. This logic assumes the GOP cares about and follows precedent

They don't. Nor do they worry about setting bad precedent. Else they would have said to themselves: "No, we can't let Russia help win the election, because then the Democrats will do it, too."

Can you even imagine them thinking that way?

Not advocating extra-Constitutional remedy, just noting fallacious logic.

[elocs]

76. My logic is simple and sound.

Trump is the president and outside of extra-Constitutional means of removing him from the presidency there are only Constitutional means. That's it.

[AllyCat]

11. And his executive orders, judicial appointments, and Cabinet are illegitimate too

[LittleGirl]

24. Agree! eom

[Dr Hobbitstein]

12. Which is why we have impeachment.

There is NO mechanism in the Constitution to recall a sitting President and have an election "do-over".
Attempting to remove this administration OUTSIDE of the Constitution is a BAD idea that would set a precedent
which would inevitably backfire on us.

[calimary]

15. He is NOT legitimate. His whole bastard-pResidency is NOT legitimate.

I can't even call him "pResident trump". Can't do it. I'd be in trouble if I were still working. Because I couldn't do it on the air, either. Not with a clear conscience anyway.

[Iggo]

16. That's not how the law works. (n/t)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. +1

[usaf-vet]

18. EITHER is his VICE PRESIDENT!!!

It was a ticket that Trump cheated to win. The ticket is illegitimate.

I go even further and say that EVERY presidential act from day one is null and void. Starting with the SCOTUS SEATS. Then the trillion dollar tax gift to the one percent. And so on and so on until the slate is clean of this unelected person. An in all likelihood this treasonous person.

I can already hear the whining from the right "their is no prescient for tossing them both out." But there is no prescient for a treasonous individual stealing an election.

We need to clean the slate and make the county, the democracy whole again. MDWA should be the new white hat.

[The Liberal Lion]

21. They all must go, they all must pay

[Eyeball_Kid]

33. Damn. Please edit your post. You lose credibility when you misuse words to make your point. n/t.

[Codeine]

59. +1 nt

[jberryhill]

105. Every VA benefit paid out, every military paycheck - all are invalid

...and every person who has received VA benefits or a military paycheck must immediately reimburse the government.

Right?

Or is it just the stuff you choose?

[thesquanderer]

19. What makes you think we would not tolerate it in another country?

Countries have "questionable" elections all the time. There's nothing we can do about it.

Anyway, Trump was legally elected by the electoral college, which is the only presidential vote that legally matters.

[usaf-vet]

35. Boy are you ill informed. He stole the electoral college by the Russians interfering in

three states , Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. As a resident of Wisconsin I know first hand how corrupt the election system is in this state. Gerrymandering, voter suppression and election day dirty tricks (moving poll place, broken equipment etc.) to name a few.

Now add to that Russian interference via Facebook, Twitter and other funded misinformation advertising as well as a reported 1.5 million dollars paid to Walker for..... WHAT!

For further proof of how corrupt this state is just look at what the REPUBLICAN governor and legislators are doing in Wisconsin, and Michigan. They are using the lame duck sessions of the post election (losing elections) to change the rules to limit the power of the newly elected Democratic Governor Evers.

It appears the national plan of the republicans to KEEP power is to change the rules if they lose a election. So add NC to the three states above for further evidence of total corruption and a illegitimate president.

And that is all before the complete Mueller investigation is over and delivered.

[JudyM]

84. Wondering if there any way individual states could demand a do-over in such situations?

Or reverse their electoral vote...?

[usaf-vet]

92. Good question. I know the newly elected AG is exploring all options.

[thesquanderer]

94. Electors are not necessarily legally bound to follow the popular vote. But it doesn't matter...

...because whatever the Electors do, under our laws, that legally and legitimately installs the new President.

Though of the three states you mention, I think only PA provides no constraints on what the electors can do.

I wonder what the fallout would be if, for example, it was discovered that PA electors had been directly bribed by a foreign power. I think there's a novel in that.

[The Liberal Lion]

20. You're damn right

So long as trump sits in that white house in reality the executive branch has zero authority. To follow it's directives is in my book an act of treason. So long as trump enjoys the support of the GOP, the GOP is and will be an entity in war with the rest of the nation. We are at the point where action is an imperative. Our country has already been dissolved, it's up to us to determine what comes next. This, as many people are waking up to the realization, is no longer a matter of elections.

[onetexan]

28. i wish they would focus on the issue of illegitimacy of this DOTUS, which would then

bring into question the legitimacy of every policy this criminal has enacted. Why doesn't any of our leaders pose this question?

[The Liberal Lion]

29. For now I have trust in Nancy to do the right thing

namely what you propose. She seems to be very wisely speaking softly but carrying a big stick. I'm for giving her a chance to lead on doing the right thing, but I don't think we should wait forever for her to do it. We have to pressure her, we the people. That's how we give peace one last chance. If she doesn't do the right thing and becomes too timid, well, we then will have some very serious choice to make.

[onetexan]

30. spot on, i trust Nancy is our best candidate for Speaker. But i'm not sure she will bring up

the question of illegitimacy. In light of what's unfolded past couple days this all-important issue definitely needs to be raised. I've never waivered from my stance that the 2016 elections was stolen from Hillary. She is our rightful POTUS, and that wrong needs to be righted. Long shot hope there but i can dream.

[True Blue American]

91. You are quite right!

We now have a grown up with character in charge of one House. It is now our duty to replace the Senate and elect an honest man to the WhiteHouse.

Trumps constant cheating and lies are being exposed every day. His minions are going to jail. We can not let him off the way we did with Reagan and his Iran/ Contra thugs. Keep in mind HW Bush was in on that starting with keeping the hostages until Reagan was inaugurated.

Do not gloss over the past.

[duforsure]

22. I agree

[The Liberal Lion]

26. I'm reading some of the comments on this thread

and I am again stunned by the number of people who say things like "..we can't do that because of the constitution" or "the constitution won't allow that". I laugh at this. Why? Simply, trump is illegitimate. He sits in the white house illegally. He does not enjoy the constitutional protection afforded a legitimately elected president. While he may have protections afforded an accused criminal, he does not have those afforded a president.

[Kaleva]

37. How do you propose removing Trump from office then?

[The Liberal Lion]

38. I'll put it this way, since I'm tired of being labeled "kooky" and "extreme" by DU

If he is in the white house by fraud then the constitution does not apply. I'm not trying to be tedious. However, I have named ways to disrupt the system in legal ways on other threads. These ways will indeed take courage and sacrifice. The comfy life the majority of us Americans enjoy will be disrupted as a result and we will have to swallow much pain. To continue, however, in the illusion that trump is in the white house legitimately is a luxury we soon will no longer have.

[Kaleva]

40. Military overthrow?

[The Liberal Lion]

42. Not at all.

That won't work in my book. Not to mention one can not obtain power in any system with the backing of the military. This notion is as old as power itself. Violence and illegal action is unnecessary. We do, the people, hold another powerful key: money. The key to money is credit and debt. It's how money is created. This may sound oh so simple, because it is. Stop participating in the system. Stop using credit, stop being conspicuous consumers. If money is the root of their power, take away the root and their power will wither. I am in no way advocating violence or illegal activity. However, my solutions will crash the economy and yes many will feel pain. Perhaps it's easy for me to say this since for the past two years I've been preparing for exactly what I'm talking about. But it's this or be a slave. That's how I see it. I will not be a slave.

[The Liberal Lion]

43. and what I mean by "Not to mention one can not obtain power in any system with the backing of the..

military" is that trump would not be where he is today without the military going along.

[Iggo]

44. Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.

"Simply, trump is illegitimate." Wrong.
"He sits in the white house illegally." Wrong.
"He does not enjoy the constitutional protection afforded a legitimately elected president." And Wrong.

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2016/federalelections2016.pdf

[The Liberal Lion]

46. You are entitled to believe what you like

if you think I'm wrong, then you can live in the world where you are right. I won't live in that world.
Good luck

[Iggo]

47. I tend to go with the truth. Belief's got nothing to do with it.

It's not a matter of opinion. Those are the facts.

He was elected president. That election was certified. That's reality.

But you go ahead and do you.

[onenote]

83. Where are you going to live, then?

[The Liberal Lion]

85. I was kinda counting on crashing on your living room couch

are you telling me that's no longer ok?

[onenote]

86. You wouldn't like it. It's a reality couch.

[hughee99]

88. Well said! When the constitution does not support my argument

Then it doesn’t count. It’s a sacred document designed to support MY political opinions!

[DRoseDARs]

89. The whole of Human history shows us that no law and no one is sacrosanct.

Random people on the Internet can argue the salient points, but those in power anywhere would do well to remember the lessons of history that the oppressed and abused do not tolerate those conditions for long. Usually the powerful find themselves on the wrong end of an angry mob or hostile opposing force. It doesn't end well for them. Ever.

[Garrett78]

90. As frustrating as it is, there's no undoing or reversing what was done.

The winner of a poker tournament or beauty pageant would lose their winnings, and a new winner would be declared.

But this is just the presidency we're talking about, not something super consequential. The federal government can't be held to the same standard as Miss America. Just imagine how many members of Congress (Gym, Duncan, etc.) would be out of a job. Thank goodness for the US Constitution, eh?

We can, however, impeach Trump. In fact, it's the constitutional duty of Congress to do so.

[The Liberal Lion]

95. I see it the same way as you

however, I guess we just have to accept that there are liberals and progressives, as well as those who claim conservatism, as their confession can not or will not believe that trump sits in the white house by way of fraud. People who think like us will have to walk our own path while those who accept trump's occupancy in the white house as legit will have to walk their own.

[Garrett78]

96. I don't think any of us really view him as legit. But there's no mechanism for undoing what's done.

As crazy as it is, our system has no mechanism like Miss America or a poker tournament would.

[The Liberal Lion]

99. On this I disagree with you

respectfully of course. But there is a mechanism, it's called "we the people". We the people are the final bulwark when the system fails is, or, as is in this case, so corrupt it no longer serves us. I think sometimes we forget we are ultimately the ones with the power, the ballot box is only one of the many powers we have. I propose nothing illegal. I propose only exercising our options. We the people have been largely anesthetized into relinquishing our true power and so many remained resigned to a fate of being controlled. We don't have to participate in this farce.

[Garrett78]

106. What specifically do you suggest be done to undo the Trump presidency?

[fescuerescue]

98. So who is first in line to explain that to the secret service?

"While he may have protections afforded an accused criminal, he does not have those afforded a president."

Im sure if someone explains it well enough, they will step aside so that he can be dragged out. Right?

The Secret Service surely will understand. Especially if you tell them it's on the Internet.

[The Liberal Lion]

100. Unfortunately that would be a useless manner to proceed.

You can't appeal to a corrupt system for mercy, especially when they profit by showing none, and when the system knows that the masses of the folk will just roll over and accept fraud as "just the way it is". I do recognize that you were being only sarcastic, but it was so clever I thought it at least deserved a serious response.

[LittleGirl]

27. KnR eom

[DavidDvorkin]

36. If the Electoral College votes for him, then he's the president

How he got those votes is irrelevant. It should be that way, but it is.

[The Liberal Lion]

39. Not to be disrespectful in the slightest bit

but I call that attitude defeatist. I reject that manner of thinking. It's like saying that if someone robs a bank, makes it to his or her hideout and then is latter found with the money that that money belongs to them.

[DavidDvorkin]

48. You can reject that way of thinking, but you can't reject reality

And what I described is the system the Constitution gave us. We should try to amend the Constitution to change that, but we can't change it with magical thinking.

[The Liberal Lion]

50. Ad hom attacks are a logical fallacy

but it is of no matter to me. As I said to the other person who disagreed with me and whose thinking is more in line with yours good luck with your version of the truth. As for me, if you are right I lose nothing but if I'm correct, well I think you understand what I'm getting at.

Cheers my friend

[DavidDvorkin]

65. That was not ad hominem

It was an attack on your reasoning.

[The Liberal Lion]

67. haters gonna hate

[DavidDvorkin]

69. Saying that your argument is invalid makes me a hater?

[Codeine]

70. Invalids gonna invalidate.

Wait. . .

[The Liberal Lion]

72. No, using ad hom attacks makes one a hater

And on that note, you have yet to "invalidate" my argument. I say the results of the electoral college are based on a fraud. That being said you are free to accept the results of a fraud. I will not. I say those who accept this fraud as "that's the way it has to be" are defeatist. This I will not be. But you are welcomed to be such if that is what you choose. You called my thinking magical, to which I am not offended because I regularly make my imagination into a reality that benefits me. However, your intent was to debase not through fact but through discrediting of a thinking process. Your attempt to do so then invalidated your position and in fact left mine intact.

[Baltimike]

41. YES!!! And the shruggy shoulders "there is nothing to be done"ers and/or the

"this isn't treason because we aren't firing guns"ers are enabling the enemy plain and simple

[Iggo]

45. There are some things to be done. But acting like he ain't really president isn't one of 'em.

[DavidDvorkin]

49. Right.

[Baltimike]

52. who's acting like he isn't president?

[Iggo]

54. It's the point of this entire thread.

[Baltimike]

102. Nope.

Saying he isn't legitimate as his cheating and hacking come to light is a world different from not acknowledging that he is the president at all. But thanks for trying to clear that up

[Iggo]

107. It is.

I know you guys want to fudge the definitions of illegitimate and illegal to mean "I don't think he got there fair and square", and that's nice and all, but seriously, he's the president, straight up legal. You can say "not my president" all you want, but he absolutely is your president, and that should scare the living shit out of you. It does me.

This is real. It's not a matter of opinion.

[Codeine]

51. Oooh, I'm an enemy now!

Am I just a regular enemy, or am I an Enemy of the People? Can I be Public Enemy #1?!

[Baltimike]

53. There you go again...stalk much?

Please show me where I said you were an enemy. Maybe you're being Freudian or something?

[Codeine]

57. Lol! Stalking? You flatter yourself, sir.

I just happened to hit your post in a thread, and it’s pretty clear which posters you were referencing. I can’t help that you lost the argument in the other thread and had to drag it over here in an attempt to find support.

[SWBTATTReg]

55. And if he's not an legitimate president, as holders of the House of Representatives in the US, ...

we should not allocate any more money or lending authority to the US government until he steps down (by resigning).

[ginnyinWI]

56. The irony about this is that he probably really didn't need to pay off any women at all.

His fans gave him a pass on the Access Hollywood video. They would have given him a pass for this too. Or if he "shot someone on Fifth Avenue" or whatever it was he said. He would have been elected.

Ha. Ha. Ha!

[elocs]

58. Outside of a coup, what is the legal and Constitutional method

used to remove a president from office?
That.

[Iggo]

60. .

[Codeine]

61. I don't think people understand the follow-on effect

of deciding that extra-Constitutional solutions are the answer to a Constitutional issue.

Trump’s legitimacy is bestowed by the Electoral College. That’s pretty much the end of the argument. If we want him out we vote him out, convince the Congress to impeach and convict him, or - heaven forfend - watch him win another election and wait until he term limits out. Pretending there are other choices is fantasy.

[elocs]

63. Well DU is the place to come if you are looking for fantasies,

where if you really, really wish something would happen, it will.
Except when it doesn't.

[The Liberal Lion]

74. I say pretending he actually won the election legally is fantasy.

But hell we all can dream can't we.

[Codeine]

75. The "election" happens in the Electoral College.

Those electors aren’t (in the main, there are a handful of states that have laws requiring it) required to cast a vote that is in line with the popular vote in their state, so legally all legitimacy stems from that EC vote. That’s the bare legality and legitimacy right there.

It sucks, but it isn’t illegitimate.

[The Liberal Lion]

78. I'm perfectly clear on how the electoral college works

not that I don't appreciate the tutorial.
My point: he didn't win the popular vote in WI, MI, PA and also probably not in NC or FL.

That's where I stand. You are welcome to believe otherwise, however.

[sarisataka]

62. *sigh*

[Codeine]

66. Forget it, Jake -- it's Chinatown. nt

[Caliman73]

64. While your topic statement is correct...

I had a chuckle about your second sentence.

Come on spanone... "We would not tolerate this in any other country" Really?

The US helped Chilean dictator Agusto Pinochet kill duly elected president Salvador Allende. The US and Britain deposed Mossedegh in Iran, installing the Shah. The US installed Manuel Noriega into power in Panama, then when we grew tired of him, we drove him out. The US was heavily involved in the civil wars in Nicaragua and El Salvador. The US backed the military coup in Brazil in the 1960's. The US was involved in the Honduran coup in 2009.

I agree that we should not tolerate cheating in our election and agree that Trump is not a legitimate or fit president, but you can't ignore American history to make the point.

[Atticus]

68. Hell yes! Absolutely, positively, 100% right! Enough of this "discussion"

and "thoughtful consideration as to how to proceed".

We tarnish our nation's reputation and embarrass ourselves and our friends each day that we delay beginning to end this maniac's reign.

[PJMcK]

73. Come on, this is silly

Trump is corrupt beyond belief. He is a criminal and I am hopeful that he'll be held to account.

Nonetheless, our system is specifically clear: The voting in each State is certified by each of the Secretaries of State. The Electoral College then votes accordingly. Then the Congress certifies that vote.

By definition, it is legitimate.

If you want Trump gone as much as I do, let's find real-world methods to do it.

[The Liberal Lion]

79. Well, quite frankly, some of us believe that that system you described

was in fact corrupted and therefore all the products it produced thereafter were illegitimate.

[PJMcK]

80. I understand your opinion

However, our country's laws were not forged by your ideas. Legitimacy is defined by the Constitution and by statutes. Sorry, but you don't have an argument unless you're suggesting the anarchic route of extra-Constitutional actions. That's not really very American.

Let's get rid of this criminal and fix our system so this shit never happens again.

I think we can agree on that.

[The Liberal Lion]

81. I do accept your viewpoint as valid

and agree the constitution does define the law. However, I see no part of the constitution that deals with stolen elections. I'm not talking about this mealy charge of campaign finance violations. But rather I'm talking about the vote altering I and many believe occurred. Do I have proof for this. No I do not, that doesn't stop me from believing that it occurred, however. That being said, it is in my opinion that to merely say he won and cheating doesn't matter is to accept the results of an utterly broken and corrupted system. I just won't do it, and many, many other Americans won't either. Our conscience and our morality will not allow it.
Yes let's get rid of the traitor, and yes let's fix the system. We agree. We just disagree on the methods. And that my friend is healthy for a true democracy, or even a representative republic like we have. We are on the same side my friend. I appreciate your insights.

[Garrett78]

77. It wouldn't be tolerated in, say, a poker tournament or beauty pageant. But...

...federal government standards are much lower.

[malaise]

82. Lock him up

That simple

[Meowmee]

93. Agree

And I have never seen him as a legitimate prez. #notthepresident

[Access Geek]

108. We start by delegitimizing his VOTERS. That includes ALL republicans.

Personally, make sure you have NO republican friends, and if your workplace has republicans, get another job with rational people. Same for your school or university. Republicans are not just the political opponent; they mean to destroy your lives with their misogynistic, racist oppression. Treat them as such.

[Lurker Deluxe]

109. YES!

This is the most legitimate thing I have read on this board ever!

Never associate with a republican, ever ... never.

Who is a republican? Well ... the obvious way to get that information is to get rid of the secret ballot. No more. Your vote is now public record, tied to your federal ID number which is tattooed on your inner left arm. Did not vote ... same as voting republican. Make an app ... you can scan someone's ID and know exactly how they voted. Vote republican once ... WE KNOW, everyone knows.

Now we know who is who.

Once we know who voted any other way than straight democrat we can take action. All business must post, outside of the business or on its website how EVERY employee of that business voted, proven by official voting records.

Once we shun them, it will not be enough, we have to rid society of them. Next will be the "unofficial" rules, start with home owners associations, get those republicans out of our neighborhoods. Then we can move on to things like credit applications ... no straight democrat ticket, no credit for you. No car loans, no home loans, no lay away at Costco ... hell, no Costco membership at all.

Then we can start into real laws, no straight democrat ticket ... no government services at all. No police, no fire ... ban them from medical care. Then, we can pass laws determining who can vote, after all ... no credit, no health services, homeless, no gainful employment ... obviously should not be able to vote.

Then, finally, we will have the ONE PARTY STATE that we all crave so much and all will be good.

THIS ... is the only way to preserve democracy.

Let's get it done.

[Access Geek]

110. And what's wrong with that?

The point of this forum is to advance the Democratic Party. The best way to do that is to get rid of the political influence of the Republican Party. The best way to do that is to stigmatize any involvement with the Republican Party. That's a feature, not a bug.

What's with your cynicism?