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Stinky The Clown

(67,776 posts)
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:49 AM Dec 2018

That loud "SNAP" you heard around 730 pm EST was McConnell's and Ryan's asses snapping shut.

Frank Figliuzzi had an interesting take on the Butina flip

(can't find the link)

He was on one of the MSNBC shows earlier today, after word of Butina's flip. He says the as-yet-untold story is how much money Russia sent to many GOP politicians, including, but by no means limited to, the current GOP Congressional leadership.

Once again, DU was way ahead of the curve on this. Like months ahead when we knew their campaign coffers had been pumped with rubles.

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That loud "SNAP" you heard around 730 pm EST was McConnell's and Ryan's asses snapping shut. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 OP
We should get a Pulitzer Prize or something. marylandblue Dec 2018 #1
There was a reason DU was targeted* on election day 2016 Botany Dec 2018 #3
I'm betting you're right. n/t jaysunb Dec 2018 #4
Actually I think it was 4chan, aided by Russia. Initech Dec 2018 #9
IMHO, it was script kiddies at 4chan wanting to tweak the libtards at DU... Raster Dec 2018 #53
Probably right orangecrush Dec 2018 #65
Holy shit! Never even thought of that. KPN Dec 2018 #12
I am surprised the RNC doesn't end up charged under RICO at this point. airmid Dec 2018 #19
LOCK. THEM. UP. Raster Dec 2018 #31
An aside ... Delphinus Dec 2018 #42
Thank you. I also have it on a t-shirt.... Raster Dec 2018 #44
+1,000,000 Canoe52 Dec 2018 #47
Just the place for such a shirt. ChazInAz Dec 2018 #48
they should be scarytomcat Dec 2018 #69
I thought something has been up for a few years mickswalkabout41 Dec 2018 #38
But it can't stop there. Codifer Dec 2018 #49
I think so too. n/t susanna Dec 2018 #16
I would not be shocked or surprised. DU was had the most hits of a mostly single aisle forum on uponit7771 Dec 2018 #35
We should hire our on investigation team California_Republic Dec 2018 #46
I would settle for drinks for everyone LOL nt Javaman Dec 2018 #63
Or opening up The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #2
Can they get away with claiming they cilla4progress Dec 2018 #10
I don't think it would be limited to the NRA! Dustlawyer Dec 2018 #36
That story was told in December 2017 by Prof. Ruth May in a Dallas newspaper. pnwmom Dec 2018 #5
McTurtle is dirty dirty dirty UpInArms Dec 2018 #22
I hate McConnell most of all. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #55
3 years ahead blm Dec 2018 #6
I recall how suddenly Ryan flipped for Trump. He looked so nervous when he announced it, too. C Moon Dec 2018 #7
And, now Ryan True Blue American Dec 2018 #61
You mean it wasn't Thanos? Initech Dec 2018 #8
I hope we are in a countdown Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #11
About 2 Days Ago DallasNE Dec 2018 #13
Oh, To See Mitch End Up In The Federal Terrarium! nt smb Dec 2018 #52
The sphincter clenching dynamic duo. CentralMass Dec 2018 #14
KnR Hekate Dec 2018 #15
Perhaps the NRA headquarters has been ''scrubbed' long ago? Then what? YOHABLO Dec 2018 #17
Who else knew it wasn't a coinky-dinky too? czarjak Dec 2018 #18
I have long believed that Mueller knows everything about this malaise Dec 2018 #20
That is very interesting UpInArms Dec 2018 #23
I too have wondered about his promotion malaise Dec 2018 #24
. Achilleaze Dec 2018 #27
McCarthy was immediately Scarsdale Dec 2018 #34
The same Kevin McCarthy who urged democrats not to spend time investigating Trump, come Jan. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #56
Freeze the passports of every GOP member of Congress. They are flight risks. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2018 #21
And freeze their US assets: bank accounts, real property, etc. nt Ilsa Dec 2018 #29
Yes! Delphinus Dec 2018 #43
republican traitors who betrayed America deserve justice Achilleaze Dec 2018 #25
Oh the irony, the party of Reagan loves Russian money Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #26
Putin's nose is still out of joint because of the luvtheGWN Dec 2018 #45
At this point I'd love to see them dissolved and annexed for their crimes against humanity. byronius Dec 2018 #62
That's why Ryan JustAnotherGen Dec 2018 #28
said before, will say again: THE GOP IS AWASH WITH DIRTY RUSSIAN MONEY... Raster Dec 2018 #30
That will complicate things, in all sorts of unpredicable ways, in Congress empedocles Dec 2018 #32
And Scott Walker AllyCat Dec 2018 #33
Absolutely on point! usaf-vet Dec 2018 #37
I heard some guest commentator say there were a few calimary Dec 2018 #39
That congressional committee meeting with Ryan making everyone shut up, i.e. Texin Dec 2018 #40
"This is how we know we're a real family here." Raster Dec 2018 #41
Why wasn't this on every fucking news broadcast? CrispyQ Dec 2018 #57
No, you did not miss it... it was kept on the DL... Raster Dec 2018 #60
A friend commented that the GOP has traditionally been a bastion of white Enoki33 Dec 2018 #50
White, privilege, power, money and mostly male. Alwaysna Dec 2018 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2018 #51
They are all greedy treasonous bastards. gademocrat7 Dec 2018 #54
Ryan could give a fuck; he's out the door and on to some lucrative Conservative grift. maxsolomon Dec 2018 #58
I guess this proves that BHDem53 Dec 2018 #64
Bwahahahaha! Let's hope the rumors are true. AND she gave up the names.nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #66
We know they gave $$$ to the RNC and private campaign PACS, BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #67
well she can never go home if she talks scarytomcat Dec 2018 #68
the Russian money to rethugs is the real story not a few bucks to women for sex scarytomcat Dec 2018 #70
MANY months ago, we knew. I've been waiting for MSM to catch up. Every time the people on those Amaryllis Dec 2018 #71

Initech

(100,055 posts)
9. Actually I think it was 4chan, aided by Russia.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:38 AM
Dec 2018

Although judging by some of the morons who post at 4chan I don't think they could pull off such a hack.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
53. IMHO, it was script kiddies at 4chan wanting to tweak the libtards at DU...
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:15 PM
Dec 2018

...Russia* had NOTHING to do with it. It was a sophomoric, amateur effort, exploiting our previous ability to use limited HTML commands to accentuate our posts.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
12. Holy shit! Never even thought of that.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:50 AM
Dec 2018

But it makes perfect sense. .... We may need to send the whole frogging GOP to a Gulag ... in Russia.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
44. Thank you. I also have it on a t-shirt....
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:46 AM
Dec 2018

...which I thoroughly enjoy wearing around Maricopa County, Arizona.

mickswalkabout41

(145 posts)
38. I thought something has been up for a few years
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:49 AM
Dec 2018

I am just shocked that A. It’s the good ole American nra. And b. It came in right under our noses. Then they lobby a bill so they don’t have to disclose donors. Coincidence? I believe it will roll down hill first, then, in typical redneck fashion, shot gun blast till it hits everyone involved. Let’s blow the lid off of this and bring them all down. No excuses. No chance for any other interpretation. To room for error. Every single republican member of our current admin needs to be locked up.

Codifer

(545 posts)
49. But it can't stop there.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:52 PM
Dec 2018

The take down MUST be global and international. I (when I am in a rare optimistic moment) think that the cooler heads and rational minds of the intel and judicial agencies of many nations are sharing information on many bad actors. I believe that, when that take-down happens, it will be well timed and coordinated. It must be. If it is not timed well, the result will be civil wars (plural) and the kind of political and civil chaos that grew the current Russian thuggery out of the dissolved USSR.

The republican leadership are all in and they know that if they do not prevail, they will be hung for treason. It is all or nothing. Like cornered rats, no vile act would be off the table.

It is going to be something to see.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
35. I would not be shocked or surprised. DU was had the most hits of a mostly single aisle forum on
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:09 AM
Dec 2018

... the net during 16

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
2. Or opening up
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:59 AM
Dec 2018

such that they soiled their Underoos.

It's obvious that the NRA was used to channel money from Russia to GOP political campaigns. Now we just need to find out specifically how much, and to whom.

cilla4progress

(24,724 posts)
10. Can they get away with claiming they
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:46 AM
Dec 2018

Didn't know?

Yes, DU on election day 2016. That's how I came to understand we were in deep shit.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
36. I don't think it would be limited to the NRA!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:22 AM
Dec 2018

The U.S. Chamber of (Horrors) Commerce would be another RW money funnel. I wish some enterprising reporter would look into them!

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
5. That story was told in December 2017 by Prof. Ruth May in a Dallas newspaper.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:07 AM
Dec 2018

And they republished it in May. She had published her first report on this topic in Aug. 2017.

She is a professor of business at the University of Dallas, specializing in the economy of Russia.

Too bad her report didn't wake up more people.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

Editor's note May 8, 2018: This column originally published December 15, 2017. New allegations about $500k in payments from a Russian oligarch made to Trump attorney Michael Cohen have placed it back in the news.

As Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team probes deeper into potential collusion between Trump officials and representatives of the Russian government, investigators are taking a closer look at political contributions made by U.S. citizens with close ties to Russia.

Buried in the campaign finance reports available to the public are some troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to President Donald Trump and a number of top Republican leaders. And thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal. We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
22. McTurtle is dirty dirty dirty
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:19 AM
Dec 2018

Under oath, I want him to answer ...

Why, if you had not been in the Russian loop, did you not allow a vote on Garland Merrick? What information did you have that would influence you to “wait” for the “next” administration to fill that Supreme Court spot?

CrispyQ

(36,442 posts)
55. I hate McConnell most of all.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:29 PM
Dec 2018

Bragging how he's making generational changes to the judiciary after what he did. I wish I believed in hell so I could comfort myself that he'd burn in it.



Mr.Bill

(24,263 posts)
11. I hope we are in a countdown
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:46 AM
Dec 2018

for the FBI raiding the headquarters of the NRA.

Fucking wingnuts will lose their minds when that happens.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
13. About 2 Days Ago
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:57 AM
Dec 2018

I was reading an article that said that McConnell got $3.5 million from a Ukrainian oligarch with close ties to Putin.

And that other money came indirectly from Russia, such as much of the $30 million the NRA gave to Trump in 2016.

Why so much of this was possible is because people are better learning how the unregulated dark money made possible by Citizens United can be hidden and then spread around.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
20. I have long believed that Mueller knows everything about this
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:02 AM
Dec 2018

and that explains why lyin' Ryan decided not to run again.
That WP exposure told me everything I needed to know about ReTHUG involvement with Russia.
Keep it secret.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.e2e64a269baf

KIEV, Ukraine — A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.




malaise

(268,846 posts)
24. I too have wondered about his promotion
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:35 AM
Dec 2018

I do love how Dana Rohrabacher lost to Democrat Harley Rouda.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
34. McCarthy was immediately
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:33 AM
Dec 2018

shut down by Ryan saying "Keep this in the family" So, they really are just like a Mafia family only with less scruples.

CrispyQ

(36,442 posts)
56. The same Kevin McCarthy who urged democrats not to spend time investigating Trump, come Jan.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:36 PM
Dec 2018
Kevin McCarthy Says Democrats Shouldn’t Spend A Lot Of Time Investigating Trump

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthy-trump-investigating_us_5c0ed1dce4b06484c9fda235

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) urged Democrats not to dwell on investigating President Donald Trump once they assume the majority next year because “America is too great of a nation to have such a small agenda.”

“I think there’s other problems out there we really should be focused upon. My belief is let’s see where we can work together and move America forward,” McCarthy, the No. 2 Republican in the House, behind House Speaker Paul Ryan, said Monday during an appearance on Fox News.

“We’ve investigated this for a long period of time,” McCarthy added. “Both sides have come up with nothing in the process. I think we should put the American people first.”

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team hasn’t exactly produced “nothing” in its time investigating Russian interference during the 2016 Trump presidential campaign. They’ve indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 33 people and three companies so far
— the latest being Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen.


The entire party is nothing but a bunch of fucking hypocrites of the highest order.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
25. republican traitors who betrayed America deserve justice
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:03 AM
Dec 2018

Investigate, charge, try, convict, and lock their treasonous asses up.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
26. Oh the irony, the party of Reagan loves Russian money
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:35 AM
Dec 2018

Does Putin have more power than Stalin? The interesting thing about Putin is that he isn't out holding big rallies. He doesn't seem overly nationalistic. He seems to go about his oppression of the Russian people very quietly. He learned the Soviet tactics well. But he doesn't use ideology as a front. He just does what he does because he can.

It's difficult to tell what his end game is. I don't think he necessarily wants to rule the world. I think he is too smart for that type of goal. I do think he'd like to take back the part of the old Soviet Union that might have resources that would be lucrative to him.

He gains by having the world a little less stable because it takes attention from him. And maybe it gives him some leverage to get out from under sanctions. And to be free to do what he wants in his big corner of the world.

Honestly, with the exception of a large reserve of oil that is very expensive to get to, Russia has very little in the way of resources.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
45. Putin's nose is still out of joint because of the
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:55 AM
Dec 2018

dissolution of the Soviet Union. Even though he is reputed to secretly be one of the richest men in the world because of the sell-offs of Russian businesses and resources, I believe he really wants to be regarded as head of a super-power -- maybe not the uber-super-power (leave that to China) but while the US remains on top, that really frosts his socks. Yes, he wants those sanctions lifted, and thought Trump was the person who would make it happen. He just didn't understand that -- unlike him -- the US president is not all-powerful.

He's been successful in turning the US into a political mess. He wants the breakup of the European Union and figured that Brexit -- under the "direction" of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage -- was a good start. He's trying to take over Ukraine, he's got far-righters in Poland and other EU countries thinking of breaking away from the EU, he has grand designs on the Baltic states and wants to bring them back into the fold under a Soviet Union. He wants to see an end to NATO.

He is one BAD, very BAD bad-ass, and is still in power after declaring the person opposing him in the last election to be illegitimate. Russia's last revolution was just over 100 years ago. I wonder if we'll see another one soon.....

byronius

(7,392 posts)
62. At this point I'd love to see them dissolved and annexed for their crimes against humanity.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:00 PM
Dec 2018

This is a constant cycle with Russia, over and over and over.

I'm a student of their history, and always hoped for the best for them -- now I want them over and done forever, period.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
30. said before, will say again: THE GOP IS AWASH WITH DIRTY RUSSIAN MONEY...
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:45 AM
Dec 2018

...there is a reason the Rethuglicans* are kowtowing to Putin* and his Oligarchs*.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
32. That will complicate things, in all sorts of unpredicable ways, in Congress
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:00 AM
Dec 2018

for a long time to come.

calimary

(81,181 posts)
39. I heard some guest commentator say there were a few
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:01 AM
Dec 2018

GOPers in DC doing Kegel exercises.

Google is your very good friend!


Texin

(2,594 posts)
40. That congressional committee meeting with Ryan making everyone shut up, i.e.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:24 AM
Dec 2018

shortly before the election* in 2016 was always the "smoking gun" to me:

("House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.&quot

Since the break-up of the former Soviet Union, the spigots of rubles have been flowing into the U.S. (among other countries across the globe). In the book "House of Trump-House of Putin" and others like it, there are vivid accounts of how the former state-owned businesses were co-opted by Putin and select kleptocratic (i.e., Russian "maifya" mobsters) beginning in the early '90s when Yeltsin had not yet been removed and ever since, began siphoning off profits from the formerly state-owned corporations and natural resources. These same people and their minions began emigrating throughout the world and began "investing" in luxury real estate, etc. in order to establish money laundering opportunities. But none of that's new to anyone.

Frankly, it's pretty apparent that the majority (if not all) of the rethugs have been bought and paid for by these Russian mafiosos, and I imagine there are pretty fair number of Dems that have been tainted as well.



Raster

(20,998 posts)
41. "This is how we know we're a real family here."
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:40 AM
Dec 2018
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-mccarthy-russia-trump

<snip>

And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, “This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

“That’s how you know that we’re tight,” Steve Scalise, the House Majority Whip, says.

“What’s said in the family stays in the family,” Ryan concludes.

<snip>

CrispyQ

(36,442 posts)
57. Why wasn't this on every fucking news broadcast?
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:43 PM
Dec 2018

Even with our corporate compromised media how did this not get major air time? Or did I miss it?

???

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
50. A friend commented that the GOP has traditionally been a bastion of white
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:04 PM
Dec 2018

privilege, power and money. They seem to have realized they cannot legitimately win at the ballot boxes, hence democracy is disposable, and that accepting millions from the crime syndicate that rules Russia is acceptable. Like dotard it is only the win that matters. Putin’s primary reason for giving that money stolen from his own people is that every successful democracy is a threat to his despotic rule.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

gademocrat7

(10,651 posts)
54. They are all greedy treasonous bastards.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:18 PM
Dec 2018

I will never forgive Mcturdle for his racist behavior toward President Obama.

maxsolomon

(33,274 posts)
58. Ryan could give a fuck; he's out the door and on to some lucrative Conservative grift.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:50 PM
Dec 2018

McConnell will pollute the Senate until his dying breath, and never see a single consequence from any action he's taken, Russians or not.

The full story will come out and America will shrug, like it always does.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
67. We know they gave $$$ to the RNC and private campaign PACS,
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:40 PM
Dec 2018

but what about the money that was laundered through the NRA?

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
71. MANY months ago, we knew. I've been waiting for MSM to catch up. Every time the people on those
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:37 PM
Dec 2018

panels, and even the anchors, scratch their heads and wonder about why GOP enables T and won't stand up to him, I think, when are you gonna follow the MONEY????

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