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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThat loud "SNAP" you heard around 730 pm EST was McConnell's and Ryan's asses snapping shut.
Frank Figliuzzi had an interesting take on the Butina flip
(can't find the link)
He was on one of the MSNBC shows earlier today, after word of Butina's flip. He says the as-yet-untold story is how much money Russia sent to many GOP politicians, including, but by no means limited to, the current GOP Congressional leadership.
Once again, DU was way ahead of the curve on this. Like months ahead when we knew their campaign coffers had been pumped with rubles.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts)* my guess by Russia
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Initech
(100,055 posts)Although judging by some of the morons who post at 4chan I don't think they could pull off such a hack.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...Russia* had NOTHING to do with it. It was a sophomoric, amateur effort, exploiting our previous ability to use limited HTML commands to accentuate our posts.
orangecrush
(19,499 posts)Sure the admins know.
KPN
(15,641 posts)But it makes perfect sense. .... We may need to send the whole frogging GOP to a Gulag ... in Russia.
airmid
(500 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Delphinus
(11,830 posts)love your tagline or signature. I need to remember that.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...which I thoroughly enjoy wearing around Maricopa County, Arizona.
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)ChazInAz
(2,563 posts)Pima county isn't quite that bad...more purplish.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)clearly they are a criminal organization
mickswalkabout41
(145 posts)I am just shocked that A. Its the good ole American nra. And b. It came in right under our noses. Then they lobby a bill so they dont have to disclose donors. Coincidence? I believe it will roll down hill first, then, in typical redneck fashion, shot gun blast till it hits everyone involved. Lets blow the lid off of this and bring them all down. No excuses. No chance for any other interpretation. To room for error. Every single republican member of our current admin needs to be locked up.
Codifer
(545 posts)The take down MUST be global and international. I (when I am in a rare optimistic moment) think that the cooler heads and rational minds of the intel and judicial agencies of many nations are sharing information on many bad actors. I believe that, when that take-down happens, it will be well timed and coordinated. It must be. If it is not timed well, the result will be civil wars (plural) and the kind of political and civil chaos that grew the current Russian thuggery out of the dissolved USSR.
The republican leadership are all in and they know that if they do not prevail, they will be hung for treason. It is all or nothing. Like cornered rats, no vile act would be off the table.
It is going to be something to see.
susanna
(5,231 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)... the net during 16
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)DU investigative reports. Id contribute to that
Javaman
(62,510 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)such that they soiled their Underoos.
It's obvious that the NRA was used to channel money from Russia to GOP political campaigns. Now we just need to find out specifically how much, and to whom.
cilla4progress
(24,724 posts)Didn't know?
Yes, DU on election day 2016. That's how I came to understand we were in deep shit.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)The U.S. Chamber of (Horrors) Commerce would be another RW money funnel. I wish some enterprising reporter would look into them!
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)And they republished it in May. She had published her first report on this topic in Aug. 2017.
She is a professor of business at the University of Dallas, specializing in the economy of Russia.
Too bad her report didn't wake up more people.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns
Editor's note May 8, 2018: This column originally published December 15, 2017. New allegations about $500k in payments from a Russian oligarch made to Trump attorney Michael Cohen have placed it back in the news.
As Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team probes deeper into potential collusion between Trump officials and representatives of the Russian government, investigators are taking a closer look at political contributions made by U.S. citizens with close ties to Russia.
Buried in the campaign finance reports available to the public are some troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to President Donald Trump and a number of top Republican leaders. And thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal. We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Under oath, I want him to answer ...
Why, if you had not been in the Russian loop, did you not allow a vote on Garland Merrick? What information did you have that would influence you to wait for the next administration to fill that Supreme Court spot?
CrispyQ
(36,442 posts)Bragging how he's making generational changes to the judiciary after what he did. I wish I believed in hell so I could comfort myself that he'd burn in it.
blm
(113,038 posts).
C Moon
(12,212 posts)True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Is getting out of Dodge.
Initech
(100,055 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,263 posts)for the FBI raiding the headquarters of the NRA.
Fucking wingnuts will lose their minds when that happens.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)I was reading an article that said that McConnell got $3.5 million from a Ukrainian oligarch with close ties to Putin.
And that other money came indirectly from Russia, such as much of the $30 million the NRA gave to Trump in 2016.
Why so much of this was possible is because people are better learning how the unregulated dark money made possible by Citizens United can be hidden and then spread around.
smb
(3,471 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Hekate
(90,617 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)czarjak
(11,266 posts)malaise
(268,846 posts)and that explains why lyin' Ryan decided not to run again.
That WP exposure told me everything I needed to know about ReTHUG involvement with Russia.
Keep it secret.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.e2e64a269baf
KIEV, Ukraine A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthys assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Especially as McCarthy will be leading their minority
malaise
(268,846 posts)I do love how Dana Rohrabacher lost to Democrat Harley Rouda.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)shut down by Ryan saying "Keep this in the family" So, they really are just like a Mafia family only with less scruples.
CrispyQ
(36,442 posts)https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthy-trump-investigating_us_5c0ed1dce4b06484c9fda235
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) urged Democrats not to dwell on investigating President Donald Trump once they assume the majority next year because America is too great of a nation to have such a small agenda.
I think theres other problems out there we really should be focused upon. My belief is lets see where we can work together and move America forward, McCarthy, the No. 2 Republican in the House, behind House Speaker Paul Ryan, said Monday during an appearance on Fox News.
Weve investigated this for a long period of time, McCarthy added. Both sides have come up with nothing in the process. I think we should put the American people first.
Special counsel Robert Muellers team hasnt exactly produced nothing in its time investigating Russian interference during the 2016 Trump presidential campaign. Theyve indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 33 people and three companies so far the latest being Trumps former personal lawyer Michael Cohen.
The entire party is nothing but a bunch of fucking hypocrites of the highest order.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Ilsa
(61,691 posts)Great idea.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Investigate, charge, try, convict, and lock their treasonous asses up.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Does Putin have more power than Stalin? The interesting thing about Putin is that he isn't out holding big rallies. He doesn't seem overly nationalistic. He seems to go about his oppression of the Russian people very quietly. He learned the Soviet tactics well. But he doesn't use ideology as a front. He just does what he does because he can.
It's difficult to tell what his end game is. I don't think he necessarily wants to rule the world. I think he is too smart for that type of goal. I do think he'd like to take back the part of the old Soviet Union that might have resources that would be lucrative to him.
He gains by having the world a little less stable because it takes attention from him. And maybe it gives him some leverage to get out from under sanctions. And to be free to do what he wants in his big corner of the world.
Honestly, with the exception of a large reserve of oil that is very expensive to get to, Russia has very little in the way of resources.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)dissolution of the Soviet Union. Even though he is reputed to secretly be one of the richest men in the world because of the sell-offs of Russian businesses and resources, I believe he really wants to be regarded as head of a super-power -- maybe not the uber-super-power (leave that to China) but while the US remains on top, that really frosts his socks. Yes, he wants those sanctions lifted, and thought Trump was the person who would make it happen. He just didn't understand that -- unlike him -- the US president is not all-powerful.
He's been successful in turning the US into a political mess. He wants the breakup of the European Union and figured that Brexit -- under the "direction" of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage -- was a good start. He's trying to take over Ukraine, he's got far-righters in Poland and other EU countries thinking of breaking away from the EU, he has grand designs on the Baltic states and wants to bring them back into the fold under a Soviet Union. He wants to see an end to NATO.
He is one BAD, very BAD bad-ass, and is still in power after declaring the person opposing him in the last election to be illegitimate. Russia's last revolution was just over 100 years ago. I wonder if we'll see another one soon.....
byronius
(7,392 posts)This is a constant cycle with Russia, over and over and over.
I'm a student of their history, and always hoped for the best for them -- now I want them over and done forever, period.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)"Retired"
Raster
(20,998 posts)...there is a reason the Rethuglicans* are kowtowing to Putin* and his Oligarchs*.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)for a long time to come.
AllyCat
(16,174 posts)usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)calimary
(81,181 posts)GOPers in DC doing Kegel exercises.
Google is your very good friend!
Texin
(2,594 posts)shortly before the election* in 2016 was always the "smoking gun" to me:
("House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthys assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy."
Since the break-up of the former Soviet Union, the spigots of rubles have been flowing into the U.S. (among other countries across the globe). In the book "House of Trump-House of Putin" and others like it, there are vivid accounts of how the former state-owned businesses were co-opted by Putin and select kleptocratic (i.e., Russian "maifya" mobsters) beginning in the early '90s when Yeltsin had not yet been removed and ever since, began siphoning off profits from the formerly state-owned corporations and natural resources. These same people and their minions began emigrating throughout the world and began "investing" in luxury real estate, etc. in order to establish money laundering opportunities. But none of that's new to anyone.
Frankly, it's pretty apparent that the majority (if not all) of the rethugs have been bought and paid for by these Russian mafiosos, and I imagine there are pretty fair number of Dems that have been tainted as well.
Raster
(20,998 posts)<snip>
And then, amid more laughter, Ryan says, This is how we know were a real family here.
Thats how you know that were tight, Steve Scalise, the House Majority Whip, says.
Whats said in the family stays in the family, Ryan concludes.
<snip>
CrispyQ
(36,442 posts)Even with our corporate compromised media how did this not get major air time? Or did I miss it?
???
Raster
(20,998 posts)...you know, Rethuglicans*.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)privilege, power and money. They seem to have realized they cannot legitimately win at the ballot boxes, hence democracy is disposable, and that accepting millions from the crime syndicate that rules Russia is acceptable. Like dotard it is only the win that matters. Putins primary reason for giving that money stolen from his own people is that every successful democracy is a threat to his despotic rule.
Alwaysna
(574 posts)Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
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gademocrat7
(10,651 posts)I will never forgive Mcturdle for his racist behavior toward President Obama.
maxsolomon
(33,274 posts)McConnell will pollute the Senate until his dying breath, and never see a single consequence from any action he's taken, Russians or not.
The full story will come out and America will shrug, like it always does.
BHDem53
(1,061 posts)mCconnell is a snapping turtle.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)but what about the money that was laundered through the NRA?
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)after prison I guess
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)panels, and even the anchors, scratch their heads and wonder about why GOP enables T and won't stand up to him, I think, when are you gonna follow the MONEY????