Damn every single person who voted for Trump.

[Honeycombe8]

Ever since he took office, the country has been in crisis mode, and the country is going down the hole. The environment, the National Parks being drilled for oil, our foreign policy, children in cages (at least one child died, others got sick), hatred, the rise of white supremacy, a record high of gun deaths and mass shootings, huge tax cuts for the rich that adds $1.5 Trillion to our debt, the damage to the country's reputation, job layoffs, a probable upcoming recession, deregulation, investigations right and left, daily lies about anything and everything, greed and corruption at an unprecedented level, the infiltration of Russians in our democracy, brutality normalized, vulgarity normalized, the loss of dignity of our administration and leaders, using our country as a piggybank for personal gain.... And the latest evil: talk of ousting Vietnam refugees who came over after the Vietnam War.

I believe the Russians hacked the election, in addition to the thousands of trolls pushing fake stories. But that would not have elected Trump, if Americans had not voted for him. It was CLEAR before the election what kind of person he was. CLEAR.

Damn every single rotten person who hated Hillary Clinton or Democrats or "them libruls" so much, or wanted a big tax cut no matter what, that they voted for someone like Trump. Damn them, each and every one.

[DigitusImpudicus]

1. I have no idea how the "protest voters" can sleep at night.

There's no justification for voting for Trump "in protest."

[getagrip_already]

9. or just as bad.. not voting for hillary in protest

Even if they didn't vote FOZR trump, if they with held a vote for hillary they are just as dirty.

I don't care if they simply didn't vote for president, or voted for a third party, they are assholes and should be shunned.

Same for anyone who encouraged people not to vote for hillary.

You are all trump's gut parasites.

[elocs]

12. NPR reported that more than 1 in 10 Sanders' supporters voted for Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

"Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election. That is according to the data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study — a massive election survey of around 50,000 people. (For perspective, a run-of-the-mill survey measuring Trump's job approval right now has a sample of 800 to 1,500.)

Political science professor Brian Schaffner of University of Massachusetts, Amherst tweeted the data on Wednesday.

Schaffner's numbers show that after a bitter Democratic primary, more than 1 in 10 of those who voted in the primaries for the very progressive Sanders ended up voting for the Republican in the general election, rather than for the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton."

[Jim Lane]

15. Of course, a HIGHER percentage of Clinton's 2008 supporters voted for McCain.

From a strictly ideological point of view, neither Clinton-then-McCain nor Sanders-then-Trump makes sense. But lots of voters don't go by ideology. A general-election candidate has no automatic right to the votes of everyone who participated in the primaries.

[elocs]

17. Anybody on the Left who doesn't grasp that the winner in the general election

is either going to be the Democratic candidate or the Republican one, and didn't care if Trump got elected because they hated Clinton so badly and wanted to punish her for daring to "steal" the nomination from Bernie (damn those millions of people who voted for her rather than him), is a moron.

[Jim Lane]

18. I voted for Clinton in the general so your denunciations don't apply to me.

The point I'm addressing is that the Bernie-bashers endlessly trot out the information that it was "merely" an overwhelming majority of his supporters who then voted for Clinton. There seems to be an implicit assumption that the norm would be unanimity, and anything short of that reflects badly on Bernie. The truth is that unanimity is not the norm. The norm is that there is some falloff.

You inveigh against people who "hated Clinton so badly and wanted to punish her for daring to 'steal' the nomination from Bernie...." Would you say the same about the people in 2008 who hated Obama so badly and wanted to punish him for daring to "steal" the nomination from Clinton? After all, there were more Clinton-McCain voters than Sanders-Trump voters.

My own view is that, in both years, there was some of that petulance going on, but it wasn't the main factor. In 2016, for example, there was a widespread feeling that the system wasn't working and needed to be shaken up. Many people with that mindset voted against the quintessential "establishment" candidate (Clinton) and in favor of an unconventional candidate who seemed to them to represent more of a change (Bernie in the primary and Individual-1 in the general).

I think those people were wrong. Going forward, however, it doesn't help us to dismiss them all as morons or to explain their votes as being entirely based on revenge.

Some DUers seem to favor a 2020 strategy that begins by writing off the 52% of the voters who voted against Clinton, and then tries to win based on new registrants and previous nonvoters. I think that's absurdly short-sighted. Most of the people who voted against Clinton were voting against their own economic interests. Many of them are racists and other "deplorables" who are beyond hope, but many of the others are reachable with the right campaign and candidate. That's perfectly compatible with voter registration, GOTV, and working against the GOP's election fraud.

[dawg day]

2. And to judge by the approval polls-- most still support him

You are so right-= we've been in crisis mode this whole time, and why? Because he's an angry egotist who just wants to make big noise. Yet they-- some of them who call themselves "conservative"-- like the vandalism.

[violetpastille]

3. A few of them have changed their minds.

And many who chose not to vote in 2016 - not just for President - but chose not to vote at all have changed their minds.

I feel that things are going to get much worse before we get Trump out and even more will be persuaded.

We will get our democracy back, hard won piece by piece.

Let's make it easy for anyone who changes her ways to come back into the light.

And then we can begin the rebuilding..

[Honeycombe8]

4. That's a hard one. To forgive.

After all, they are mainly to blame.

But, we have to, if we're going to recover the country. Someone who has recognized and admitted an error should be forgiven, I suppose. Once.

[violetpastille]

7. While I did vote for Hillary, with enthusiasm

And we donated more than we could afford, and I wore my Hillary tee shirt around my little Trumpville..

We were CERTAIN she would win. I was so sure. I thought we had this. I was in my little happy bubble.

So it's easy for me to forgive other people who thought that since Hillary was going to win anyway, they could fuck around and get cute with our sacred democracy and sit it out if the Democratic candidate didn't fit their particular user preferences.

I did what I was supposed to do.
But did I do everything, everything I could have done, or would have done if I knew what was ahead of us?

The answer is no.

I didn't canvass.

I could have, in retrospect done a lot of outreach that I did not do because I felt the election was in the bag.

I could have pasted over the Trump Pence stickers on road signs. I could have done some peaceful guerrilla stuff.

So I just gotta keep going. You know?

When you know better you do better.

[Blue_Tires]

5. And motherfuck everyone in the liberal pundisphere

who spent all of 2016 telling liberals to stay home or vote third party out of protest, and saying Trump couldn't possibly be any worse than Hillary...

[Honeycombe8]

6. Yep. Especially them. It was PLAIN as the nose on your face what he was.

If there was ever any doubt, every month he said or did something to a new low that made it even clearer what he was.

Then we find Jill Stein's face in a photo at a dinner table in Russia with Gen'l Flynn and Russians. I forget if Putin was at the table. Jill Stein: Susan Sarandon's third party choice.

Damn them all. I haven't watched a Sarandon movie since I saw her little speech on Youtube.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

16. especially damn them

That was the dumb shit that made me the maddest -- comparing the RW propaganda machine's caricature of Hillary with the half-assed reported reality of Trump. NOT ONE that I confronted could provide a FACT explaining or supporting their "distrust" or "concern" or "bad feeling" about Hillary.

[LakeSuperiorView]

8. I blame the married ones as well....

[Honeycombe8]

13. LOL. nt

[MountCleaners]

10. How naive are these people?

We urbanites know that real estate developers are not to be trusted....many, if not most of them, can't get things done without the mob. Dude talks like a mobster...and yet these dumb rednecks think he's a "great businessman". It's clear they know nothing about big city life.

There used to be a documentary on YouTube: "Donald Trump: Documentary of a Narcissistic Sociopath". I think the Trump Organization got it taken off of YouTube, but it was on there when he was running. It talks about his mob ties. Where I come from, when a "billionaire" real estate developer tells you shit, you roll your eyes. The naivete of flyover white America is tragic.

[Honeycombe8]

14. There are several good documentaries.

There are some on Netflix and other streaming services...maybe Amazon Prime Video. Trump can't get them taken off everywhere.

Even if someone didn't know big city life, or big city real estate developers, a lot of his corruption was out there. The multiple bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits by and against him, the disrespectful way he treats other people, his vulgarity, failing to release his income tax returns, his fake doctor report of health by that wacko looking LSD supposed doctor, his daily lies, and so on. Finally, we had the "grab 'em by the p**sy" tape. His anger and hatred at rallies, instead of optimism and a vision. His comments like "I like recessions. I can buy stuff for cheap." His prior public comments. And on and on.

People disregarded all of that for their own selfish or hateful reasons. Corruption over country. If they didn't know, it's because they chose to disregard it, or they're trying to whitewash their decision.

[ProudLib72]

11. The deplorables have damned us

They damned themselves and everyone else to this endless misery and who knows how long of a recovery from this shitshow. So, yeah, KnR.