End-game? Trump makes deal with Mueller not to charge his children & resigns.

[skip fox]

That seems to be where we are headed.

Maybe Don, Jr., will do 6 months. Maybe Trump will pay heavy fine. But this president will likely resign, maybe losing pension.

[PatSeg]

1. It is hard to picture Trump

putting his children before himself, though I can easily picture him resigning.

[duhneece]

25. My thought, too. nt

[Power 2 the People]

28. +1

[Poiuyt]

39. My first thought was that he would throw his children under the bus to save himself.

I'm sure he has plenty of damning evidence he can use against them.

[PatSeg]

40. I've never thought he would put his children first

His feelings about them is more in regards to how they reflect on him.

I'm sure in his dark moments of paranoia, he believes that even they are against him.

Maybe he will surprise us, but I really can't imagine it.

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Doubtful. rump only thinks of himself and doesn't care about anyone else. Won't settle for ...

nothing because according to him the world revolves around him, he didn't do anything wrong, and he's just plain too stupid and ignorant (knows it all) to realize how serious he is really in (won't listen to attorneys either).

[WhiteTara]

3. Not good enough.

[skip fox]

5. No, it's definitely not. You're absolutely right.

But I'm looking at realistic likehood.

[bitterross]

17. Doesn't sound like a deal a prosecutor would accept.

I don't see it happening. Prosecutors like Mueller have a sense of justice about them. I hope Mueller sees that we've been too soft on people like Nixon and others in the past. He needs to make an example out of Trump, his family and everyone involved.

Especially the Republican politicians like Graham and McConnell who are dirty in this too.

[Sneederbunk]

4. And promises to move to a dacha in Mother Russia.

[regnaD kciN]

20. "Mother Russia" won't want him...

...if he leaves power and is no longer useful to them.

As a matter of fact, I could see him meet a "tragic and unexpected demise" if he leaves office ahead of schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if Vlad is there to the last, commanding him to call out the military and impose martial law if that's the only way of staying in power...or else. After all, it works over there!

[shanny]

27. Mother Russia won't take him--why would they?

He's a tool, not a friend or ally. They have used him to disrupt and weaken us, and to try to get the sanctions lifted...which has failed. And now his paper-thin cover is being blown, by the investigation(s) and I think by Butina. She can burn a whole bunch of people and institutions and why not? She will sow more disruption before she's convicted, and then they'll do a trade, bring her home and give her a hero's welcome. Job well done.

tRump meantime will be kicked to the curb (we all saw how Putin treated him in Argentina).

[Rizen]

6. Trump's too narcissistic to resign

He'll fight every step of the way and further the divide in this country.

[skip fox]

10. There's a great likelihood of this as well, but

if Ivanka gets indicted and faces a trial, even his ego might take a back seat.

[TexasBushwhacker]

14. I agree. Plus he'll continue to make money

Every time he or his children travel, they and their Secret Service stay in Trump facilities on our dime. Now they're being investigated for charging jacked up rates for his inauguration festivities.

"Inaugural committee organizers complained to Ivanka Trump that the hotel was attempting to charge $175,000 per day for use of a ballroom and other meeting rooms, according to internal communications.

Committee leader Stephanie Winston Wolkoff emailed Ivanka Trump, then still an executive with the Trump Organization, to argue that the maximum rate should have been $85,000 a day, noting that events were for Trump -- referred to as "PE," or President-elect.

"These are events in PE's honor at his hotel and one of them is with and for family and close friends," Wolkoff wrote in an email published by WNYC."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics/trump-inaugural-committee-ivanka-trump-hotel/index.html

They longer he can stay in office, the longer he can ride this gravy train. Grifters gotta grift.

[Azathoth]

7. Nope. The day he resigns is the day he gets prosecuted

The only thing keeping him out of an orange jumpsuit at this very moment is the fact that he's president. It's not just Mueller (who may already have filed sealed indictments against him), it's SDNY, who Mueller can't speak for, as well as state Attorneys General. Not only would Trump need absolute assurance of a pardon from Pence, he'd need the same from state governors, especially in NY. Until then, his best hope is the statute of limitations.

And that's before we get to the fact that his ego far outweighs any concern he has for his kids. If Don Jr. goes to jail, the thing that will piss Trump off the most is that it's his namesake that's being humiliated.

[skip fox]

13. It would have to be an agreement with all prosecutions batched, of course.

That seems less likely than his Narcissism taking a back seat to his interest for his children, especially Ivanka.

But we are in highly unusual territory, so some type of batched deal requiring his resignation seems very possible.

[regnaD kciN]

22. I don't know how that could be done...

...as pointed out, the agreement would not only have to be brokered with Mueller, but with every state attorney-general who might have grounds for prosecuting him. And, even if he could get that assurance, and feel safe that none of them would go back on their word, it doesn't eliminate the possibility that one of said attorneys-general might be replaced in office before the statute of limitations expires...and there's no guarantee his or her successor would feel compelled to keep to the agreement.

[louis c]

8. I agree and I posted the same thing 2 days ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211545544

[skip fox]

15. You're exactly right.

It's the batching of the charges against him and his children to facilitate an agreement which might seem a sticking point, but these are highly unusual times an may call for such a solution.

[redstatebluegirl]

9. Trump could care less about his kids.

I don't think his ego could handle resigning.

[shockey80]

11. I agree that Trump will look for a deal and offer to resign.

I don't know if that is possible. He has made very powerful enemies that want to completely destroy him. They may give no quarter.

[ooky]

12. SDNY should be in position to do that right now if there is a document trail showing

one or more of Dotard's adult children falsified the accounting records to hide the payments to the women as other business expenses of the Trump Organization.

[samnsara]

16. i want them to lose their fortune...pay heavy fines...probation

..give up pass ports.....have to shop at Walmart, piggly wiggly and dollar tree.

[NCjack]

19. Yeah -- I want all of the Trump property that was gained thru criminal activity seized

and sold by the government. I want all of the Trumps so broke that they have to fall on what is left of the social safety net, if there is any of it left to aid criminals. When I drive past congested road intersections, I want the expectation that I might catch a glimpse of one of those grifters panhandling or washing car windows. Then, I feel like they got justice.

[RockRaven]

18. I do not think Mueller will engage in any negotiation which involves a political angle

such as resignation. To the extent that he would negotiate with Trump at all, which is probably not much, I suspect Mueller will restrict himself to criminal charges and criminal penalties (including monetary ones).

[Wellstone ruled]

21. Trump crossed that line when

he joined forces with Putin and attacked the FBI and other Agencies. This is all about the reestablishment of the RULE OF LAW.

This will end when the Trump Crime Syndicate is totally wiped from the planet. Next week and especially the first week or two of 2019 will prove my point.

Please do not lose the fact that we are in this friggin living nightmare because of the lack of prosecution of Richard Nixon. Jill Wine Banks made that comment early on in this mess. Her group did not move fast enough to get ahead of Jerry Ford's pardon.

[blue neen]

41. This.

Yes.

[SMC22307]

23. Only Sweatshop Barbie... don't think he'd care about Uday and Qusay.

But I've thought of a similar scenario.

[Doreen]

24. Exteremely unlikely.

He would throw anyone under the bus to save his white flabby ass.

[Wellstone ruled]

42. The Trump Crime Syndicate will fall

never to rise again. And yes he will throw his whole damn family under the Bus,but in the end,he himself will be held accountable. You do not mess with Karma and Karma in this case is the Justice Department as well as the Spy Agencies that he has demonized. Payback is a bitch.

[Me.]

26. No Way

those 3rd generation grifters are just as bad as their father and have been complicit in everything he's done to wreck our democracy.

[Buckeyeblue]

29. I could see that. Especially if his wife gets looped in

His kids are all that he has. And all that he will have. I could see a scenario where there are guilty pleas and no prison time in exchange for resignation.

I know we want to see prison time, especially considering how these fuckers treated HRC. But they won't go to prison willingly. There will be long trials, with chances of multiple hung juries.

Cutting a deal and resignation will live in the history books forever.

[spin]

30. Trump makes deals but somehow I doubt that he will ever resign. ...

At the best if he isn’t removed from office you can always hope he decides not to run in 2020.

To be honest I am not sure he really wanted to win in 2016. He seemed to be doing everything he could to lose. He was definitely the most obnoxious presidential candidate in my lifetime.

[FakeNoose]

31. He doesn't get to walk away from this

... and I cannot imagine that Robert Mueller would allow that to happen. Whether or not the kiddies get in trouble - Cheeto himself is Individual-1 and the main source of our pain for the last 2+ years. His crimes go back more than 30 years but Mueller is focusing on the crimes he committed in order to get himself elected. The things he has done while in office and while getting ready for the inauguration - those are enough to sink him right there. His crimes have cost every man, woman and child in our country and the cost is staggering.

[NotASurfer]

32. He's counting on keeping the Senate in line

as a firewall against impeachment. Then he's counting on finding another hostile foreign power to help with pulling another Electoral win out of his ass

Then he's counting on a steady diet of junk food to ensure he never finishes his second ill-gotten term and stands trial

What happens to his supporters, co-conspirators, and family members -no matter how many lap dances they gave him - is of no concern to him at that point

[ElementaryPenguin]

33. Bingo! Just the way he settles lawsuits to make them go away, he'll simply resign.

He'll bail if it will save his neck - and MAYBE Ivanka's. He has no use for the job - no agenda or goals - other that to enrich himself.

Yes, I would love to see him serve time for his multitude of crimes... but first and foremost, we need this dangerous, unscrupulous, criminal Russian asset removed from the White House ASAP!!!

[The empressof all]

34. He will resign for medical reasons....

I don't believe he really gives a rip for his kids but he will try to get them off because it doesn't look good for him if the kids "go bad". That would leave just Tiffany to take over the family "face". That would be just "weird"

His primary focus is himself. He will make some court appearances in a drugged out state in a wheel chair....on his "good days" he will golf a little.

[llmart]

46. I agree with your scenario.

He's going to resign saying it's for health reasons (remember how easily he and his grifting wife made up the story about her "kidney" problems?), also trying to get a vote of sympathy from his looney tunes base. I liken it to the schoolyard bully who is finally confronted and says, "I'm taking my ball and going home."

[safeinOhio]

35. Or, he'll say screw it and everyone else....

hand me the football and I'm gonna push the button.

[Generic Brad]

36. Our offer is this: nothing

Not even $20,000,000 to cover the cost of the Mueller investigation, which we would appreciate if he would put up personally.

[kacekwl]

43. Senator,

I'll give you my answer now.

[matt819]

37. I don't see Mueller offering this or trump suggesting or accepting it

trump has never done anything for anyone other than himself in 70 years. He's not about to start now, even for his spawn.

As for Mueller - although he has shown himself to be fine with relatively light sentences (so far), I don't see the same approach happening with Jr. or Ivanka or Eric. Certainly I don't see the SDNY advocating for light sentences for the junior grifters.

[Runningdawg]

38. He can't voluntarily leave office

He needs his base to see him dragged out in handcuffs to sell the idea it was a coup and ignite their revolt. Yeah baby - the South is gonna rise again! MAGA

[Baltimike]

44. Ivanka is the only kid he wants to protect. nt

[elocs]

45. Or, Trump gets sucked into a parallel dimension.

I just wanted to get that speculation out there before anyone else thinks of it.

[Demonaut]

47. resigning is not a "get out of jail" card/act

[lindysalsagal]

48. Everyone's forgetting that the entire GOP took russian money and he'll take them down when he goes.

The deals will be made with the congress and senate gop: He'll agree to leave the country if they don't convict him or his kids.

And he'll leave all of his business and property behind and have to start over somewhere else.