If O'Rourke, why not Abrams? Or Gillum?

[Stinky The Clown]

Asking for a friend.

[democratisphere]

1. We need WISDOM and EXPERIENCE at the national level to guide

US through the minefield ahead.

Tell your friend to get real!

[Stinky The Clown]

2. :snort:

Look around, friend. Your message is misplaced.

[democratisphere]

9. :snort:

Go ask Nancy Pelosi.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Wow. You really don't get it, do you?

Reduced to snark while **completely** missing the point of the OP.

So here we go.

Beto O'Rourke is the current DemDarling. We've had plenty. He can raise money. He looks like JFK. By gosh, he says great stuff about lots of things. He **almost** won Tejas (against the singularly most unlikeable Senator since Joe McCarthy in the 1950s. Apart from that, he's no more a heavyweight than any other serious candidate.

And yet, there we go. Beto, Beto, Beto.

The rest of the point of the OP is far less "nice". Why Beto, but no mention of Gillum and Abrams?

THAT was the point of the OP.

Personally, I don't think any of them are standouts. Each are possibles, to be sure. But I don't think any of the three should be early frontrunners.

Have a swell day. See ya around campus.

[Access Geek]

34. Are you implying that Gillum and Abrams are STUPID and INEXPERIENCED??

Or did you notice their skin color and make that assumption?

[democratisphere]

36. You need to read the entire sentence; "WISDOM and EXPERIENCE at the national level".

How low will you go playing the race card?! Shame on you!

[Access Geek]

37. Looks more like the White Supremacist card was played first

When they go low, we KICK them. Always remember. Attorney General Holder was spot-on.

[democratisphere]

40. When a candidate doesn't win a local, state or national election,

it would be foolhardy fantasy to believe they could win an election as POTUS. Got to get real. Has nothing to do with race, so get off it!

[Renew Deal]

41. I think these scare tactics are a joke

And some of the people with experience aren't so wise

[democratisphere]

43. Nancy Pelosi and I disagree!

[Renew Deal]

44. About what?

[Lars39]

3. I'm afraid it's who can draw in the most campaign money.

Beto’s 80 million got a lot of attention. I’ll admit ignorance to the amounts for Abrams and Gillum.

[oberliner]

6. Abrams raised a ton

Record breaking numbers for the state.

[grantcart]

10. Chicken and egg

He got the $$ because he is able to speak with wisdom in a cogent way to problems.

Because I was involved in it in a personal way I follow migrant/refugee vews/opinion offered by everyone. Beto was the only one pushing for the real longtime answer beyond creating a legal pathway for folks here; we need to invest in the broken economies in Central America so families don't need to walk 1000 miles to get help.

It's that kind of wisdom that's going to raise $ 80 million.

[Lars39]

12. Thanks for posting that!

His ability to look at the bigger picture could help us all.

[grantcart]

13. Welcome.

[Corgigal]

4. I want

O'Rourke and Gillium.

[Sunsky]

5. I would like to know as well nt

[cilla4progress]

7. Def.

I want a ticket that reflects the diversity of our party.

Will be a big mistake to let this moment pass.

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. As much as I like him Gillum has only been Mayor af a mid size city

No state wide let alone national experience. All three are thin on experience but Gillum has the least.

[Polybius]

11. All three of those lost in 2018, so I wouldn't support any of them in the primary

This Beto talk is silly to me. I like candidates that will win their home state.

[aeromanKC]

14. Too short

Abrams and Gilliam are too short on federal D.C. government experience.

[EffieBlack]

15. Interesting new standard...

Barack Obama and George HW Bush are the only presidents elected in the last 50 years with any federal government experience. Every other president during the last half century. except Trump, of course, got all or most of their government experience in and came directly from state government.

And I defy you to name one president elected in the last 150 years whose primary experience was 3 years in the House. I'm not saying that beto's experience is not sufficient to be president but simply pointing out the fallacy of claiming his experience makes him so much more qualified than Abrams and Gillum.

The goalposts are being moved oo justify a run by Beto while dismissing Abrams and Gillum - sad but, unfortunately, not surprising.

[Power 2 the People]

18. +1

[Bradshaw3]

27. Nothing you wrote here is correct

While accusing others of supposedly moving the goalposts (who they are or why they are doing so you don't say of course) you move goalposts all over the place and use false ino in doing so.

You have a goalpost of 50 years for federal government experience of elected presidents, which is quite wrong. Nixon, elected, in 1968 and again in 1972, was in the house and senate before becoming Vice-President so his only experience was in the federal government. If you go back to the two before Nixon, both had extensive federal government experience, so why 50 years as a goalpost, unless you are simply trying to justify a position you already hold.

You also get O'Rourke's time in the House wrong. It was three terms and six years, not three years. And, yes I would say that six years in the House is a higher bar than serving one term as mayor of a city with 190,000 people.

[mcar]

32. +1000!

[intheozone]

19. Totally agree with you, but once they get some federal experience,

they will be exceptional candidates and public servants.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Jimmy Carter, Raygun, Bill Clinton, Shrub had no

"federal D.C. government experience".

[cynatnite]

16. Has Abrams or Gillum shown an interest in running? n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

17. Because...

SOME FOLKS believe America cannot have two highly qualified African-American Presidential Candidates in a Century after having a SUCCESSFUL African-American President held the office for eight years. #StraightTruth

[UniteFightBack]

21. And then you have the folks saying if you don't run a black woman or a black person then black folks

won't come out and vote. Joy Reid said that this morning.

[LovingA2andMI]

22. Possibly....

However, what Ms. Reid was likely speaking of is what might be seen as disrespect of a largely loyal block of Democratic Voters by not making neither Gillium or Abrams an active part of the conversations surrounding likely 2020 Presidential Candidates.

[UniteFightBack]

20. I think they both have a very bright future ahead of them. I'm very excited about the Democratic

Party...it was awful in 2016 - the Dem's have 'nobody'...well well well ...we have such a deep bench and we have so many great candidates and members in our party that no matter who gets chosen it will be a win.

[standingtall]

23. How about we nominate someone that didn't just lose an election

so none of the three.

[JI7]

35. Abrams was stolen from her

[Takket]

24. anyone who wants to run is free to do so........

[WeekiWater]

25. Very valid question with a very ugly answer.

That said, I can’t imagine a Presidential primary lineup where I would be left voting for any of them. Out of the three I would have O’Rourke and Gillum well behind Abrams.

[Stinky The Clown]

30. "Very valid question with a very ugly answer."

Indeed. And the essential point of the OP.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. I want

whoever can win, period.

[mahina]

28. Two questions, who has the best set of skills to do the job, and who can win.

So what are the skills?

Ability to understand complicated problems, to hear diverging view points and discern truth from bullshit.

Agility of mind and imagination and deep well of hope, to see a way forward and things look impossible.

Ability to communicate complex and difficult situations to the people in a way that gets everything said succinctly and in a way that speaks to our hearts with authenticity and sincerity and hope tempered with realism.

Ability to bring out the best in people.
Ability to help us be better as a country.

Values. For real.

A vision of a better America and a better world and a path forward.

[mcar]

31. Good question

Seems to me there's an answer there somewhere.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Abso-fuckin-lutely!! They would be excellent choices and should be encouraged to run.

[LanternWaste]

38. Have the latter two been denied the ability to run?

Asking for a co-worker.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

39. All three need to be running for office in 2020 or 2022.

At this point, however, I don't think any of them are primed to run for President in 2020.

In 2024 or beyond, that's an entirely different question. If at least one of those three ends up becoming our President, it would be a great thing.

[TheBlackAdder]

42. Let's just see how the primary process plays out. Let folks make their best case and sell it to Dems

[Adrahil]

45. I think they are both good.

But neither struck me as having the charisma Beto has. And yes, that matters. Obama had it. Beto has it. But we'll see how he does. But hey, if Abrams and Gillum wanna throw their hat in the ring, hop on in!

[tblue37]

47. They are all three impressive. I'd love any of them in the VP slot--especially Abrams.

But not POTUS yet. Let one be TO to a more nation experienced hand, then step up as our next POTUS candidate.

At the moment I like Harris or Booker for the top slot. Both are willing to kick a** and take names.